Does stress cause hermies?????

[Sam the Caveman]

Probably because most people don't turn a hermi into a mother plant and run it again, they just throw it out.

I've just had some plants from seed hermi on me and I will be keeping a mother, but I'll be using reverse every time I flower her out. I won't be risking seeded buds again, not for the price of an application or two of reverse.

I contacted the breeder about it and from what I could make out about what he said, it seems like he thinks that flowered plans from seed are more likely to hermi than clones.

 

[Budley Doright]

Probably because most people don't turn a hermi into a mother plant and run it again, they just throw it out.

I've just had some plants from seed hermi on me and I will be keeping a mother, but I'll be using reverse every time I flower her out. I won't be risking seeded buds again, not for the price of an application or two of reverse.

I contacted the breeder about it and from what I could make out about what he said, it seems like he thinks that flowered plans from seed are more likely to hermi than clones.

Sam....Im really not concerned with plants that hermie during their first flowering.....


I also think that seeds are vastly more likely to be hermies....

The main point I hope this thread makes....



Is that if your plant is a 100% female the first flower it will remain so.... with few exceptions....

 

[grassott]

Lol BR, you got hermiphobia or something? Has any of your stressed plants hermied on you? I'm putting my plants under severe stress at the moment and they are guaranteed girls that I've been running non stop for over a year now. All started from seed and cloned up like crazy. If they hermie after my experiment I'll let you know.

 

[Budley Doright]

Actually I had a little spat with a guy on another site...


He said that moms....especially from feminized seeds were likely to turn hermie the longer you had them.....that a 'normal' mom was better.....


My opinion is based on how long Ive been growing and never had a plant turn hermie after its first flowering....

 

[dagnabit]

it happens from time to time..

a rare occurrence to be sure.

but to say never or always or 100% in this thing we do makes one wrong from the outset.

IMO (and ive done this for a year or two ) yes any subsequent clone from a long standing mother can be stressed into herming. some are going to be predisposed than others? certainly.

since "100% female" is achieved through herm breeding(whatever method you choose to employ) it would stand to reason those would have increased likelihood(however statistically minute)of turning when exposed to stress.

 

[Budley Doright]

it happens from time to time..

a rare occurrence to be sure.

but to say never or always or 100% in this thing we do makes one wrong from the outset.

IMO (and ive done this for a year or two ) yes any subsequent clone from a long standing mother can be stressed into herming. some are going to be predisposed than others? certainly.

since "100% female" is achieved through herm breeding(whatever method you choose to employ) it would stand to reason those would have increased likelihood(however statistically minute)of turning when exposed to stress.

You miss the point of the thread....


Many folks imagine think they understand whatever.....

your post hasnt the least bit of proofof anything.....

You can say what you want but no person has confirmed that with real life experience..... this thread isnt about what you imagine ...its about what is...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Dag's giving you good info. Without scientific studies, you may never get 'facts' you can stick in your book.

You can't 'prove' your female wasn't pre disposed to herm. But you can relatively describe it wasn't a problem with earlier grows.

I'm not so sure you're looking for an answer as much as you're looking for agreement. You already said you were arguing on another forum.

What's causing your hermies if it isn't stress? Genetic disposition?

 

[Budley Doright]

Im sorry no....

dags not giving good info.....


We had a discussion about water droplets causing burn spots in cannabis.....


Thats a silly wivestale.....


Because in order to burn the droplet must be away from the leaf surface....

So let us not presume dag is the keeper of special knowledge.....


I well realize that I cant actually prove anything.....



However anyone who has grown for any amount of time has had some to many herms.....



yet in all my grows and apparently for many others after the first flowering cycle it hasnt happened......



It may not be proof but it smells pretty close to that.....


Im looking for evidence thru grows not thru inpassioned arguments.....

 

[forty]

does stress cause herms?
bet yer ass it does.. got seeds to test? pass em to your most hack bro (everyone has at least one).. he'll let ya know if the seed line herms... then out sell ya on fem seeds.. ha!

 

[Budley Doright]

does stress cause herms?
bet yer ass it does.. got seeds to test? pass em to your most hack bro (everyone has at least one).. he'll let ya know if the seed line has herms.

IM sorry bro.....


this has zero to do with seeds.....


this experiment happens only by taking a cutting from a female which did not produce male flowers in its first flowering cycle......


THe proof that stress doesnt cause hermies is that virtually nobody has had a herm after a plant flowered cleanly......


After all many folks might be able to pull of a stress free grow the first time.... but somewhere along the line they f up.....


but no hermies.......

 

[Budley Doright]

Ive said this before.....


Has anyone seen a thread asking what to do???


They have had a mom for awhile and all of a sudden it turned.....



ANyone know of a thread like that?????



Or even better.....


they did a sea of green with one strain and some of the plants only had male flowers...


ANyone know of a thread like that?????



If you cant.....


maybe you should consider a change of thinking........

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Im sorry no....

dags not giving good info.....


We had a discussion about water droplets causing burn spots in cannabis.....


Thats a silly wivestale.....


Because in order to burn the droplet must be away from the leaf surface....

So let us not presume dag is the keeper of special knowledge.....


I well realize that I cant actually prove anything.....



However anyone who has grown for any amount of time has had some to many herms.....



yet in all my grows and apparently for many others after the first flowering cycle it hasnt happened......



It may not be proof but it smells pretty close to that.....


Im looking for evidence thru grows not thru inpassioned arguments.....

I get it. Your apparently's deserve more credit than others'. Dag wouldn't be the only one to associate water droplets with leaf anomalies. Whether his conclusion was accurate neither lends to nor discounts from your assumptions.

I get the impression you don't want your hypothesis to get the smack down. But you're already convinced of your idea and merely want some back up so you can declare fact when it might be closer to more assumption.

If you're gonna make standards, don't compare apples to oranges. The idea that Dag can't lend good information because of the water drop whatever isn't exactly intellectual. You may not get the textbook experience you're looking for but you've dissed several posts worth considering, based on your questions, not your (possibly) subjective conclusions. In the end if all you have is speculation, yours may not be worth discounting others'.

 

[forty]

word.i stand corrected... well sorta.. gettin a lil ahead. what's the parentage of the cutting? how solid is the cut in the first place? how many seedlines/cuts are based on bagseed? so yeah... some lines can herm if stressed.

 

[Budley Doright]

You or dag can add information about your mother plants.....


What you think isnt all that important in this thread.....


Thats not what Im doing.....Im absolutley not interested in opinion.....


What I want to know is how many plants you can document had no male flowers in the first cycle but went hermie after some months or years...


thats it.....

 

[dagnabit]

c'mon DB

you know i never research posts or have info to back up what i say..


i think this guy got his ass handed to him on PG or CW and thought he would get his back here..

fact is the question in the OP is "does stress cause hermis?"
the short and simple answer is yes.

 

[Budley Doright]

c'mon DB

you know i never research posts or have info to back up what i say..


i think this guy got his ass handed to him on PG or CW and thought he would get his back here..

fact is the question in the OP is "does stress cause hermis?"
the short and simple answer is yes.

Actually no..... I ran the same thing on overgrow when I was a mentor there....


I got the same response....



One or two folks seem to have been able to document the fact that a plant turned hermie after some time.....

It is an interesting and somewhat surprising topic associated with lots of stoner long held beliefs.....



By the way .....I very rarely have my ass handed to me.....

 

[forty]

if you're a hack, you tell us what'll herm. why ask us? if you can grow stress free plants it's less of a prob and no need to start a help for hack thread.

 

[dagnabit]

You or dag can add information about your mother plants.....


What you think isnt all that important in this thread.....


Thats not what Im doing.....Im absolutley not interested in opinion.....


What I want to know is how many plants you can document had no male flowers in the first cycle but went hermie after some months or years...


thats it.....

in '00 i had a clone only stella blue's clones herm out due to light poison in her 9th 0r 10th gen of cuttings(digital timer failure)

in '05 i had several strains(nycd4,stella and derailed blues) all herm out before they died after 3 weeks w/o power after katrina..

your lack of experience with the subject at hand...

i have grown several hundred plant grows and can tell you with certainty.

cannabis (like most deciduous annuals) has the ability to produce opposite sex flowers as a response to stresses in an attempt to propagate.

 

[Budley Doright]

if you're a hack, you tell us what'll herm. why ask us? if you can grow stress free plants it's less of a prob and no need to start a help for hack thread.

Im not asking for help.....


Im only doing a survey on mother plants which turn hermie after their first flowering......

 

[dagnabit]

By the way .....I very rarely have my ass handed to me.....

ifin ya' gotta tell us how big it is.....

it aint that big