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DiscoBiscuit

weed fiend
Veteran
Yes indeed...

I've dealt with psychopaths in the past (while working as counselor at a WA detention facility for close to 6 years).

Are your counseling sessions primarily psychology or psychiatry? Is it sociologically oriented (rehabilitation) or closer to inmate management?

They can't be fixed and will take any good will you might offer as a sign of weakness.
Doesn't sound like job security.

They sure love and appreciate any sympathy they get from Cultural Marxists and their soft judicial system.
W/o acknowledging what you just typed, even a sane person would appreciate those aspects, given the circumstances.

Violent sociopaths and psychopaths see any fellow human as a potential prey to be abused or manipulated.

Ojo
We might disagree on the vastness of psychopathy and whether the OP's example deserves the same treatment as 'violent sociopaths and psychopaths'.
 

Protea

Member
Repeat offenders
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Sunday, February 27, 2011; 7:17 PM

THE NUMBERS are staggering. Some 5.1 million individuals are out on probation or parole. If national trends hold up, roughly 40 percent of them will be returned to prison for a future offense.

this is from washingtonpost, and if we acsept the numbers as thrue, one must also accsept that something is seriously wrong.
and the prison system dont work. and they should come up whit another alternative. '
a quick google gave me this list, and by holy Mary Jane there are some noncense departments . so if you ask me the only way forward is for the americans to demand reform. if the system dont work, and the government are fixed on continuing, the only lodical way is to get a new government.

if an inmate are returned to prison after finiching his sentence, then the sentence put upon him the first time didnt work. and if this happens 40% of the time, you need to give the inmates some other tools to work whit when they come out. teach them how to care for themselfs, a trade, or skills. teach them the norms they are ecspectet to live under. and then suport them to make the transession to freedom. and all of it could probably be financed by eliminating some of the less productive departments.

Bureau of Engraving and Printing Police wtf do they do?



List of agencies and units of agencies
Agencies in bold text are LEAs (Law Enforcement Agencies)

[edit] Department of Agriculture (USDA)Office of Inspector General (USDAOIG)
United States Forest Service (USFS)
U.S. Forest Service Law Enforcement and Investigations (USFSLEI)
[edit] Department of Commerce (DOC)Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS)
Office of Export Enforcement (OEE)
National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
National Institute of Standards and Technology Police (NIST Police)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Fisheries Office for Law Enforcement (OLE)
Department of Commerce Office of Security (DOCOS)
Department of Commerce Office of Inspector General (DOCOIG)
[edit] Department of DefenseOffice of Inspector General (DODOIG)
Defense Criminal Investigative Service (DCIS)
Pentagon Force Protection Agency (PFPA)
United States Pentagon Police (USPPD)
Defense Logistics Agency (DLA)
National Security Agency (NSA)
Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA)
Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR)
Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR)
[edit] Department of the Air ForceAir Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI)
Air Force Security Forces Center (AFSFC)
Department of the Air Force Police
[edit] Department of the ArmyUnited States Army Criminal Investigation Command (CID)
United States Army Military Police Corps
Department of the Army Police
United States Army Corrections Command
[edit] Department of the NavyNaval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS)
United States Marine Corps Criminal Investigation Division (MC CID)
Department of the Navy Police (civilian police)
Marine Corps Provost Marshal's Office (military police)
United States Marine Corps Police (civilian police)
Master-at-Arms (U.S. Navy military police)
[edit] Department of EducationOffice of the Inspector General (EDOIG)
[edit] Department of Energy (DOE)Office of Inspector General (DOEOIG)
Office of Health, Safety and Security (DOEHSS)
Office of Secure Transportation (OST)
[edit] Department of Health and Human ServicesUnited States Food and Drug and Administration (HHSFDA)
Office of Criminal Investigations (OCI)
National Institutes of Health (NIH)
National Institutes of Health Police (NIH Police)
Office of Inspector General (HHSOIG)
[edit] Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
CBP Officers and Border Patrol Agents at a ceremony in 2007Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC)
United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
United States Coast Guard (USCG)
Coast Guard Investigative Service (CGIS)
United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP)
Office of Field Operations (OFO)
United States Border Patrol (USBP)
Office of CBP Air and Marine (OAM)
Federal Protective Service (FPS)
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)
Enforcement Removal Operations (ERO)
Homeland Security Investigations (HSI)
Office of Intelligence
Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR)
United States Secret Service (USSS)
Transportation Security Administration (TSA)
Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS)
Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General (DHSOIG)
[edit] Department of Housing and Urban DevelopmentOffice of Inspector General (HUD/OIG) [1]
Protective Service Division (HUDPSD)
[edit] Department of the Interior (USDI)Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA)
Bureau of Indian Affairs Police (BIA Police)
Bureau of Land Management (BLM)
Bureau of Land Management Office of Law Enforcement (BLM Rangers and Special Agents)
Bureau of Reclamation (BOR)
Bureau of Reclamation Office of Law Enforcement (BOR Rangers)
Hoover Dam Police aka Bureau of Reclamation Police
National Park Service (NPS)
Division of Law Enforcement, Security and Emergency Services (Law Enforcement Rangers)
United States Park Police
Office of Inspector General (DOIOIG)
Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement (OSMRE)
United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS)
Office of Law Enforcement
Division of Refuge Law Enforcement
[edit] Department of Justice (USDOJ)Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF)
United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) (since 1973)
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
Federal Bureau of Investigation Police (FBI Police)
Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP)
Office of Inspector General (DOJOIG)
United States Marshals Service (USMS)
[edit] Department of LaborOffice of Inspector General (DOLOIG)
[edit] Department of State (DOS)Diplomatic Security Service (DSS)
Office of Inspector General (SDOIG)
[edit] Department of TransportationFederal Aviation Administration (FAA)
Office of Inspector General (DOTOIG)
United States Merchant Marine Academy Department of Public Safety (USMMADPS)
[edit] Department of the Treasury
A Bureau of Engraving and Printing Police (BEP) patrol car.Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau
Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP)
Bureau of Engraving and Printing Police (BEP Police)
Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FINCEN)
Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation Division (IRS-CI)
Office of Inspector General (TREASOIG)
Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA)
United States Mint Police (USMP)
Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (SIGTARP)
[edit] Department of Veterans AffairsOffice of Inspector General (VAOIG)
Veterans Affairs Police
[edit] United States Environmental Protection AgencyCriminal Investigation Division (EPACID)
Office of Inspector General (EPAOIG)
[edit] United States CongressLibrary of Congress, Office of Security and Emergency Preparedness (LOC)
Sergeant at Arms of the United States House of Representatives
Sergeant at Arms of the United States Senate
United States Capitol Police (USCP)
United States Government Printing Office Police
Office of Inspector General, United States Government Printing Office
[edit] United States Supreme CourtMarshal of the United States Supreme Court
United States Supreme Court Police
Administrative Office of the U. S. Courts, Office of Probation and Pretrial Services (AOUSC)
[edit] Other federal law enforcement agenciesExecutive Agencies

Central Intelligence Agency Security Protective Service (CIASPS)
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
Office of Inspector General (NASAOIG)
NASA Security Services
Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Office of Inspector General (NRCOIG)
Office of Personnel Management, Office of Inspector General (OPMOIG)
Railroad Retirement Board, Office of Inspector General (RRBOIG)
Small Business Administration, Office of Inspector General (SBAOIG)
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Office of Inspector General (FDICOIG)
General Services Administration, Office of Inspector General (GSAOIG)
Social Security Administration Office of Inspector General (SSAOIG)
United States Postal Service (USPS)
USPS Office of Inspector General (USPSOIG)
United States Postal Inspection Service (USPIS)
U.S. Postal Police
Independent Agencies

Smithsonian Institution
Office of Protection Services (SI)
National Zoological Park Police (NZPP)
Office of the Inspector General (OIG)
Amtrak
Amtrak Office of Inspector General
Amtrak Office of Security Strategy and Special Operations (OSSSO)
Amtrak Police
Federal Reserve Bank: Federal Reserve Police
Tennessee Valley Authority
Tennessee Valley Authority Office of Inspector General (TVAOIG)
Tennessee Valley Authority Police (TVAP)
United States Agency for International Development, Office of Inspector General (AIDOIG)
 

Stoner4Life

Medicinal Advocate
ICMag Donor
Veteran


hey, fuck this shit. run this guy down if you like, fine. who here thinks that shoplifting $21.00 worth of shit is a felony? in the article they even referred to it as petty theft, and petty theft is a felony? I don't get it. what then is the threshold for only committing a misdemeanor in california?


don't you people see? it's not this guy you need to be worried about it's YOU!!!

they quoted drug possession as a 3 strikes felony charge, think about it, because it's all about you now.......
 
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Is there really any more point to this, other than the obvious?
 

sso

Active member
Veteran
stonerforlife is right..

but anyways, steal 3 chocolate bars and get sent to prison for life? lol

first thing comes to mind "we are gonna need bigger jails", second, "shit, i cant believe my taxes are paying for it"

then again, my taxes paid for every single of my encounters with the police :)

ahh, having bosses :) what a wonderful thing :)

same thing goes for democrazy, get 100 people in a room and they of course need a boss, so 51 of them decide on the bastard that promises the most for the least.

and 49 need to follow,cause it was voted.

well, that rule about only rich people being able to vote back then, was kinda stupid, rich dont equal smarts.

but i kinda wonder about a mininum iq rule for being allowed to vote..

but then again, there hasnt been a good party or canditate in, well, never.

sure, some of them look good, till you snoop around bit, if i had i daughter id not want her to marry any of them..

the world is built by dreamers and creators, run by psychopaths and maintained by morons.
 

SpasticGramps

Don't Drone Me, Bro!
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Repeat offenders
Network NewsX Profile
Sunday, February 27, 2011; 7:17 PM

THE NUMBERS are staggering. Some 5.1 million individuals are out on probation or parole. If national trends hold up, roughly 40 percent of them will be returned to prison for a future offense.

this is from washingtonpost, and if we acsept the numbers as thrue, one must also accsept that something is seriously wrong.
and the prison system dont work. and they should come up whit another alternative. '
a quick google gave me this list, and by holy Mary Jane there are some noncense departments . so if you ask me the only way forward is for the americans to demand reform. if the system dont work, and the government are fixed on continuing, the only lodical way is to get a new government.

if an inmate are returned to prison after finiching his sentence, then the sentence put upon him the first time didnt work. and if this happens 40% of the time, you need to give the inmates some other tools to work whit when they come out. teach them how to care for themselfs, a trade, or skills. teach them the norms they are ecspectet to live under. and then suport them to make the transession to freedom. and all of it could probably be financed by eliminating some of the less productive departments.

Bureau of Engraving and Printing Police wtf do they do?



List of agencies and units of agencies
Agencies in bold text are LEAs (Law Enforcement Agencies)

[edit] Department of Agriculture (USDA)Office of Inspector General (USDAOIG)
United States Forest Service (USFS)
U.S. Forest Service Law Enforcement and Investigations (USFSLEI)
[edit] Department of Commerce (DOC)Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS)
Office of Export Enforcement (OEE)
National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
National Institute of Standards and Technology Police (NIST Police)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Fisheries Office for Law Enforcement (OLE)
Department of Commerce Office of Security (DOCOS)
Department of Commerce Office of Inspector General (DOCOIG)
[edit] Department of DefenseOffice of Inspector General (DODOIG)
Defense Criminal Investigative Service (DCIS)
Pentagon Force Protection Agency (PFPA)
United States Pentagon Police (USPPD)
Defense Logistics Agency (DLA)
National Security Agency (NSA)
Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA)
Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR)
Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR)
[edit] Department of the Air ForceAir Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI)
Air Force Security Forces Center (AFSFC)
Department of the Air Force Police
[edit] Department of the ArmyUnited States Army Criminal Investigation Command (CID)
United States Army Military Police Corps
Department of the Army Police
United States Army Corrections Command
[edit] Department of the NavyNaval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS)
United States Marine Corps Criminal Investigation Division (MC CID)
Department of the Navy Police (civilian police)
Marine Corps Provost Marshal's Office (military police)
United States Marine Corps Police (civilian police)
Master-at-Arms (U.S. Navy military police)
[edit] Department of EducationOffice of the Inspector General (EDOIG)
[edit] Department of Energy (DOE)Office of Inspector General (DOEOIG)
Office of Health, Safety and Security (DOEHSS)
Office of Secure Transportation (OST)
[edit] Department of Health and Human ServicesUnited States Food and Drug and Administration (HHSFDA)
Office of Criminal Investigations (OCI)
National Institutes of Health (NIH)
National Institutes of Health Police (NIH Police)
Office of Inspector General (HHSOIG)
[edit] Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
CBP Officers and Border Patrol Agents at a ceremony in 2007Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC)
United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
United States Coast Guard (USCG)
Coast Guard Investigative Service (CGIS)
United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP)
Office of Field Operations (OFO)
United States Border Patrol (USBP)
Office of CBP Air and Marine (OAM)
Federal Protective Service (FPS)
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)
Enforcement Removal Operations (ERO)
Homeland Security Investigations (HSI)
Office of Intelligence
Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR)
United States Secret Service (USSS)
Transportation Security Administration (TSA)
Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS)
Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General (DHSOIG)
[edit] Department of Housing and Urban DevelopmentOffice of Inspector General (HUD/OIG) [1]
Protective Service Division (HUDPSD)
[edit] Department of the Interior (USDI)Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA)
Bureau of Indian Affairs Police (BIA Police)
Bureau of Land Management (BLM)
Bureau of Land Management Office of Law Enforcement (BLM Rangers and Special Agents)
Bureau of Reclamation (BOR)
Bureau of Reclamation Office of Law Enforcement (BOR Rangers)
Hoover Dam Police aka Bureau of Reclamation Police
National Park Service (NPS)
Division of Law Enforcement, Security and Emergency Services (Law Enforcement Rangers)
United States Park Police
Office of Inspector General (DOIOIG)
Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement (OSMRE)
United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS)
Office of Law Enforcement
Division of Refuge Law Enforcement
[edit] Department of Justice (USDOJ)Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF)
United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) (since 1973)
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
Federal Bureau of Investigation Police (FBI Police)
Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP)
Office of Inspector General (DOJOIG)
United States Marshals Service (USMS)
[edit] Department of LaborOffice of Inspector General (DOLOIG)
[edit] Department of State (DOS)Diplomatic Security Service (DSS)
Office of Inspector General (SDOIG)
[edit] Department of TransportationFederal Aviation Administration (FAA)
Office of Inspector General (DOTOIG)
United States Merchant Marine Academy Department of Public Safety (USMMADPS)
[edit] Department of the Treasury
A Bureau of Engraving and Printing Police (BEP) patrol car.Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau
Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP)
Bureau of Engraving and Printing Police (BEP Police)
Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FINCEN)
Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation Division (IRS-CI)
Office of Inspector General (TREASOIG)
Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA)
United States Mint Police (USMP)
Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (SIGTARP)
[edit] Department of Veterans AffairsOffice of Inspector General (VAOIG)
Veterans Affairs Police
[edit] United States Environmental Protection AgencyCriminal Investigation Division (EPACID)
Office of Inspector General (EPAOIG)
[edit] United States CongressLibrary of Congress, Office of Security and Emergency Preparedness (LOC)
Sergeant at Arms of the United States House of Representatives
Sergeant at Arms of the United States Senate
United States Capitol Police (USCP)
United States Government Printing Office Police
Office of Inspector General, United States Government Printing Office
[edit] United States Supreme CourtMarshal of the United States Supreme Court
United States Supreme Court Police
Administrative Office of the U. S. Courts, Office of Probation and Pretrial Services (AOUSC)
[edit] Other federal law enforcement agenciesExecutive Agencies

Central Intelligence Agency Security Protective Service (CIASPS)
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
Office of Inspector General (NASAOIG)
NASA Security Services
Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Office of Inspector General (NRCOIG)
Office of Personnel Management, Office of Inspector General (OPMOIG)
Railroad Retirement Board, Office of Inspector General (RRBOIG)
Small Business Administration, Office of Inspector General (SBAOIG)
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Office of Inspector General (FDICOIG)
General Services Administration, Office of Inspector General (GSAOIG)
Social Security Administration Office of Inspector General (SSAOIG)
United States Postal Service (USPS)
USPS Office of Inspector General (USPSOIG)
United States Postal Inspection Service (USPIS)
U.S. Postal Police
Independent Agencies

Smithsonian Institution
Office of Protection Services (SI)
National Zoological Park Police (NZPP)
Office of the Inspector General (OIG)
Amtrak
Amtrak Office of Inspector General
Amtrak Office of Security Strategy and Special Operations (OSSSO)
Amtrak Police
Federal Reserve Bank: Federal Reserve Police
Tennessee Valley Authority
Tennessee Valley Authority Office of Inspector General (TVAOIG)
Tennessee Valley Authority Police (TVAP)
United States Agency for International Development, Office of Inspector General (AIDOIG)

That is some totalitarian alphabet soup.
 

Lt. Herb

Member
Our prisons are too nice, they offer pristine health care

Don't know where you're getting this information from, but it most assuredly is not from experience in any prison, even California. You'd be hard pressed to find *anything* even remotely capable of being called 'pristine' in most prisons. In every prison I've been in, it takes 3 days and 2 request forms to get a damn Tylenol or Band-aid, anything faster and there would be less incentive to bribe the guards.
 

MIway

Registered User
Veteran
it's kinda fucked up... but if i could get cable & a conjugal visit every now & then... put me in a cell where i could grow in the one next to me... of coarse it would have to be one of the jails that recognize medical mj... and it would need to be clean, preferably with nice inmates that could carry on a conversation & afford my grade of meds... maybe some weekend leaves to the c-no so i could get my poker on... a 2 week rotation in meal choices... dunno, think i could take the rap... oh and a mini putt putt w a real grass range... maybe an otb too. ;-) oh... and internet so i can post a grow journal from the joint.
 

dagnabit

Game Bred
Veteran
The most ignorant thing I've read all day (it's still morning though, I'm sure it can be topped). Prison health care is totally inadequate, both in quality and availability. In most prisons, people line up every day to get seen by a doctor or nurse, and only a percentage even get ANY health care that day.

to be honest 90% of those IRF med calls are entertainment related.
just to see a different part of the compound/look upon a female who is not a bull.
 

grapeman

Active member
Veteran
Don't know where you're getting this information from, but it most assuredly is not from experience in any prison, even California. You'd be hard pressed to find *anything* even remotely capable of being called 'pristine' in most prisons. In every prison I've been in, it takes 3 days and 2 request forms to get a damn Tylenol or Band-aid, anything faster and there would be less incentive to bribe the guards.

That's good news!!

Don't think we should even be handing out tylenol. Prisoner's family should be paying for that shit.

I don't want to pay for anything except gruel 2 times a day.

Fuck 'em.
 

DiscoBiscuit

weed fiend
Veteran
According to NORML as of 2008, one in eight prison sentences is marijuana related.

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics as of 2005, state and federal prisons housed more than 44 thousand weed offenders. Another 130,000 were spared the clink.

Once you're locked up, doesn't make a fuck why you're there. Even if you're a lowly weed offender. Maybe grape will give you an extra bowl of gruel.
 

zymos

Jammin'!
Veteran
You'd think it would go without saying here of all all places, but-
A huge percentage of people on this board could one day find themselves in prison. You really want it to be a place where you can't even get a Tylenol?!

Ran into a lawyer friend just the other day, who had a sad story about some guy who died in prison from something that could have only needed some simple medical care at the right time. But over and over, they just said he was malingering, and ignored how sick he was getting. Have no idea what his crime was, but statistically it had a fair chance of being the exact same victimless crime many IC members are guilty of
 

mrcreosote

Active member
Veteran
This guy needs to be free.

Next time he gets a head full of meth maybe he'll run down some 'social scientists' wife, mother or kid.

Or maybe your own.

Guess that would kinda suck, huh? Having to pay for the funeral yourself?

How about we try to rehabilitate this poor rascal?
We can give him a job welding wings on airplanes.

School bus driver? (in YOUR school district, driving YOUR kids)

It's pretty obvious some of these huggy-cuddely types have never seen a strung out meth head in action.

Life in prison for a $20 snatch isn't an answer but you can pretty much figure this guy has no place in society as he is nothing more than a predator on same.

I vote for a flat tire repairman at the Artic Circle BP station.
 

DiscoBiscuit

weed fiend
Veteran
This guy needs to be free.

Next time he gets a head full of meth maybe he'll run down some 'social scientists' wife, mother or kid.

Or maybe your own.

Guess that would kinda suck, huh? Having to pay for the funeral yourself?

How about we try to rehabilitate this poor rascal?
We can give him a job welding wings on airplanes.

School bus driver? (in YOUR school district, driving YOUR kids)

It's pretty obvious some of these huggy-cuddely types have never seen a strung out meth head in action.

Life in prison for a $20 snatch isn't an answer but you can pretty much figure this guy has no place in society as he is nothing more than a predator on same.

:laughing: - if the 'prey' is a Twinky

I vote for a flat tire repairman at the Artic Circle BP station.
What, a meth head running down wives and kids w/ school buses?

He's already got a job at the plane factory. You know, the one where they pass out welding rods in the rivet line?

It's pretty obvious some of these gonzo types need a new battery in their calculator.
 

Frozenguy

Active member
Veteran
This guy broke into peoples houses probably while they were home.

It's a little over the edge I suppose, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.

He has made his own bed and he continues to take advantage of hard working Americans with no regard to their privacy. Complete and utter tool.
 

SpasticGramps

Don't Drone Me, Bro!
ICMag Donor
Veteran
That's good news!!

Don't think we should even be handing out tylenol. Prisoner's family should be paying for that shit.

I don't want to pay for anything except gruel 2 times a day.

Fuck 'em.

I don't want to pay to subsidize your farming industry either.

Pretty fucking cruel view considering how many innocent weed heads are locked up in our prison industrial complex. I bet your ass if lived in Texas and tried to grow you would change that tune real quick. You sound like f'ing Nazi.

Damn Neo-Cons. Fucking country is a mess all round.
 
29 years for shoplifting is extreme, no doubt that the 3 strikes system is flawed. That said though I think it is valid for violent or bad crimes (sexual offenders, armed robbery, etc etc.), but this guys lawyer (state appointed or not) should have done a better job for sure.
 

Frozenguy

Active member
Veteran
29 years for shoplifting is extreme, no doubt that the 3 strikes system is flawed. That said though I think it is valid for violent or bad crimes (sexual offenders, armed robbery, etc etc.), but this guys lawyer (state appointed or not) should have done a better job for sure.

He does have a history of violent crime. The last one doesn't need to be violent though. That's my understanding of it.

If one takes a look at his criminal history, he may have gotten off easy in the past.

Many do. Some judges hand out small sentences in hopes it will balance out punishment with growth. When people just don't learn, they throw the book at them.

I doubt this guy has had unfair and unjust convictions for the entirety of his criminal career.
 
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In~Plain~Site

Perpetual bag men will never change...not even when faced with a 3rd strike apparently.

You can't have it both ways.

Is everyone 'worth' saving, and Darwin full of shit?

I'm quite certain, in the age of plenty, that some severely 'character flawed' DNA snuck it's way through.No more hunter/gatherer skills apply to cull the herd...just a pulse gets you through.

People who continually make bad choices are still people and should suffer what consequence? What is adequate deterrent?

I've been to prison, it's no fun...I also knew what it was going to be like beforehand and that my actions could land me there.

It took exactly ONE TIME inside to figure out I wasn't going back...I know what you're thinking...genius,right?

What type of mental deficiency makes people need three visits to 'figure' that out?

Or is that all somebody else's fault too?
 
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