Which Organic Fertilizer to buy?

[greenops]

Hello fellow organic growers...

I was hoping somebody can help me chose between the following brands, which are available in my area:

Advance Nutrients
Bio Bizz (only Bloom available)
Canna
Plagron
GHE Bio Sevia

I dont know if the right fertilizer can improve taste, but thats what i am aiming for, as my last grow smells like hay (dried properly and cured according to Simons tutorial). I used Plagron Grow and Bloom only.

Thanks!!!

 

[GeneMaxo]

Strain + dry/cure = taste.
I would check out the Sticky: Organics for Beginners. Solid organic nutes can be found at: Home Depot, Lowes, and Bigbox stores. Liquid nutes get expensive fast.

 

[mad librettist]

buy whichever one will make you more patient.

I saw your post in the curing section - your problem is curing and you need to find a keeper that stinks.

 

[habeeb]

GHE biosevia hands down

used many bottles over the years. and bio sevia is hands down the clear winner.. it's pH is good, it's form is meant to breakdown very rapidly, has macro elements... and above all it was designed for hydro originally, anything organic for hydro will work very well in soil.

the only down side to this product, which there is no miracle product yet, is no calcium. you will need to add some form of Ca if it be from your water or some other product or in combination with lime and another product... simply put the bottle has no Ca, but plenty Mg..

I've seen some post in a UK forum, and alot of them are bio bizz addicts. well one of the top guys who made a formula using bio bizz that everyone uses was very very impressed with bio sevia first round.

I love this stuff so much i ship it to the USA.

 

[supermanlives]

when did AN go organic?

 

[SpaceKiller]

AN has always had organic nutes, Iguana Juice being their main seller. well maybe not always but for the most part they have had iguana juice for a long time.

 

[SpaceKiller]

personally Rumples method is my favorite way to cure, using the paper bags does wonders with reducing the chance of mold and a better smell/flavor. paper bags already smell good as it is.

i noticed before i ever used the paper bags, i was always opening the jars to let moisture out. i still do but not as often and i feel more assured of never getting mold even if i forget to a open a jar, those paper bags really pull out most of the unwanted moisture that leads to that hay smell because it wasnt dried evenly enough even though it appeared to be.. thats where the paper bags come in handy.

 

[soil margin]

Calling any of those products organic is a joke.

 

[SpaceKiller]

Calling any of those products organic is a joke.

calling anything truly organic is a joke theoretically speaking.

 

[mad librettist]

calling anything truly organic is a joke theoretically speaking.

no it isn't. where did you get that idea?

using the paper bags does wonders with reducing the chance of mold and a better smell/flavor. paper bags already smell good as it is.

"paper bag" is not a a good smell on cannabis. Your method works fine in the right conditions but in the wrong conditions paper bags grow some nice mold.

Simon's method works every time and is very easy to follow. no guessing. You don't need to burp jars if they are at the right moisture level.

 

[greenops]

GHE biosevia hands down

used many bottles over the years. and bio sevia is hands down the clear winner.. it's pH is good, it's form is meant to breakdown very rapidly, has macro elements... and above all it was designed for hydro originally, anything organic for hydro will work very well in soil.

the only down side to this product, which there is no miracle product yet, is no calcium. you will need to add some form of Ca if it be from your water or some other product or in combination with lime and another product... simply put the bottle has no Ca, but plenty Mg..

I've seen some post in a UK forum, and alot of them are bio bizz addicts. well one of the top guys who made a formula using bio bizz that everyone uses was very very impressed with bio sevia first round.

I love this stuff so much i ship it to the USA.

thanks for the info dude really appreciate it.

 

[mostnonymouse]

I'll second the paper bags. I still use jars to cure, but the bags can help big time in slowing down the drying process if you are unable to control humidity and it dips real low for a few days.

 

[mad librettist]

I'll second the paper bags. I still use jars to cure, but the bags can help big time in slowing down the drying process if you are unable to control humidity and it dips real low for a few days.

yah but if you have the opposite problem of humidity spikes, paper bags will screw you.

just gotta be careful with those if mold is an issue. for sure if you need to shelter buds from dry air they are an option.

 

[mostnonymouse]

yah but if you have the opposite problem of humidity spikes, paper bags will screw you.

just gotta be careful with those if mold is an issue. for sure if you need to shelter buds from dry air they are an option.

Agreed. Just another tool in the arsenal.

 

[mostnonymouse]

After last year's harvest we had a week of straight rain and then humidity dropped to 20% in a day while I was at work. That sucked.

 

[SpaceKiller]

no it isn't. where did you get that idea?







"paper bag" is not a a good smell on cannabis. Your method works fine in the right conditions but in the wrong conditions paper bags grow some nice mold.

Simon's method works every time and is very easy to follow. no guessing. You don't need to burp jars if they are at the right moisture level.

well oddly that doesnt make sense to me, where i live its very humid and as long as i have some fan ventilating the area, i have never once had an issue with the bags. i never said they make your bud smell like paper bags either, i simply said i like the smell of paper bags, the even drying process to me adds a more fragrant robust smell and overall flavor rather than if i were to just hang dry the entire time straight to jars. the bags do nothing other than evenly pull moisture rather than an uneven drying process some cant avoid in my case which easily leads to mold, unwanted smells and just a lacking product. no matter what i do i could never control my closet enough to not open my jars no matter what method i use, its just too humid here, as to why i started using the bags which your telling me dont work in humid areas apparently.

unless you are purposely trying to get moldy bud with extremely high humidity and no ventilation then sure its going to happen in the bags, i live in high humidity area and with fans and proper venting there has never once been a problem.

now on the organic matter, i would really appreciate it if you fully read why i made such a remark before you start insulting me over nothing or at least take the time to try and understand my point of view even if you arent willing to fully believe it. without delaying you further with nonsense.

this is my view your welcome to study the same contents i have over the years dealing with chemistry, biochemistry, abiogenesis and a baisc understanding of chemosynthesis. maybe you already do so this should be easier to understand, shouldnt be hard if you dont have any background in any of those subjects anyway. this of which has determined my views/theory on why the term organic is almost a misconception to me or in other words a very low level broad view on the meaning of what people feel is organic. it is much more complicated than understanding just where it came from par say you need to understand each individual compound and the molecular structures between them. what determines a compound is purely organic? its mainly speculation and only based on very minimal differences even though of "inorganic, organic" properties they can both either have base structure from either what people get caught up in as organic or inorganic processes. although the most notable differences being that almost everything is derived from carbon molecules, a carbon compound or material based of carbon compounds would be considered truly organic by technical means but will easily be a 50/50 subject for many much more avid chemist, why? if the compound was based on nothing other than a process between two inorganic compounds even through a completely natural process that does not by any means make it inorganic. although synthetics are a way of us trying to replicate and improve on natures already proven formula the two amazingly are so closely tied, im amazed everyday at the many battles i see over such an issue that can easily fall to either side. that being said lets view the biological side to all this, our planet is capable of creating these same processes whether it be a organic compound formed on a inorganic process through natural properties the term organic can only be taken with a grain of salt. a better example, oil. most would assume oil is a inorganic compound mainly because of the products made from it and its history for not being the most environmentally friendly resource, well from the technical aspect of it which doesnt mean too much chemistry wise would be considered organic, its constructed of the same carbon molecules youll probably find in your soil mixes or even chelated teas, but here is why. organic doesnt really matter too much in terms of chemistry once you understand the relationship between what people expect inorganic/organic to be not only that the relationship between chemical processes and molecular compounds. back to the oil example, what do you get when you mix oil with water, both obviously considered organic compound by technical means but not by nature, once mixed they create a supposed inorganic bond. the once biodegradable oil is not any longer and disrupts the organic compounds within H2o, does this make it inorganic? no it doesnt they still consist of the same properties they just react chemically differently than other similar compounds. the reason i feel the term organic isnt necessarily the correct way to perceive its meaning is because to me organic is nothing more than a choice or a preference for a possibly safer product, although there is no legitimate proof properly grown cannabis with synthetic counterparts will harm you any more than say your own amended soil mixture, regardless of your choice they are both capable of achieving the exact same results. what people need to understand is not all chemicals are bad, these nutrient companies i highly doubt are using chemicals any more harmful of that in any natural chemical occurrence that creates supposed "organic" compounds, from all my banter you now know even inorganic compounds are capable of creating organic compounds through very similar just more complex processes. what you prefer to use is up to you, does it make anything better than another not at all, just preference. no matter how many processes something can go through synthetics the same can occur in nature itself, just more complex.

i know with enough care, experience and consideration you can easily get the same results using either synthetic or organic mediums, its not me trying to make you feel good.

its fucking science!

ive been dying to say that.. regardless take it with a grain of salt like i said, if you believe otherwise lets not make an argument over nothing please everyone thinks differently the world would suck balls if we all thought the same, yea some subjects would be great to all agree on but realistically speaking..

time to take a nap. peace.

 

[stonedar]

"happy thoughts"

OP (greenops) not too many of the organic heads on here use bottled organic nutes. they are more into amending soils, top dressing, or teas. I personally have used Biobizz's line with success, I was given a complete set to try (bioheaven or whatever it's called wasn't out then.) I had good luck with it, but it was alot of mixing of small amounts of nutes from multiple bottles of their line. The end results were pretty good though. If you were to ask me in real life what the best way to start out with organics, I'd probably point you towards epsoma's line of dry fertilizer. You can get good results with their Gardentone or Foxfarm's Fruit & Flower as a top-dressing or mixed into your soil. Possibly even better mixes in the organics for beginners sticky are tried and true recipes for success, or at least at damn good place to start.

 

[SpaceKiller]

Lib you smoke out of that filthy ass bong clean that sob. at least i keep my shit clean. god i always hated going over to someone house without my own piece always filthy and taste like crap no matter what you put into it.

and your going to give me shit over some paper bags, that cant saturate cannabis in paper bag smell, its just cardboard for christ sakes. i just like the smell of boxes and homedepot.

 

[SpaceKiller]

happy thoughts

 

[mad librettist]

lol

I think I hit a nerve.


btw that bong broke! that's why I never clean them. They always break.