Airy buds

[40AmpstoFreedom]

I am running gh 6/9 in coco just cut off the micro day 37. I changed the bulbs tonight I wonder if it may have been the problem as the was a dark side on the glass of both the bulbs I changed. Any ideas? Just doesn't seem right at all for the age and looks odd. I feed twice a day at sun up and sun down. No other problems on the plants looked amazing until they started budding and the buds just don't look right to me. Temps are fine 68-76.

 

[imnotkrazy]

I had a top44 come out that way once - didn't do anything different with it, maybe just a bad bean?

 

[RespectGreen]

ive seen sativa dom strains bud like that then really fatten up towards 8/9 weeks... prlly related to the genes u seem to have most things on lock!

 

[40AmpstoFreedom]

Yea, its every plant though I have a feeling it was the lights I had replaced them all at once and I have never seen the dark spot on the glass before it was the length of the long metal piece but not on the the inside glass piece the bulb itself.

I looked at day 38 pics of every strain I am doing now it its look 2 weeks off stressin me out. Definitely not light schedule checked timers many times. I guess I will see in a week if there is improvement.

 

[RetroGrow]

What strain and how many weeks in?

 

[toohighmf]

temps, wattage, and distance light is hung from canopy would help. do you use Co2?
I noticed some leaves cupped down, like they may be a little overwatered. have you tried cutting down to 1 feed a day??

 

[BigDawg]

make sure they aren't sitting in a bit of run-off water... you'd be surprised..

make sure humidity is ok.

light leaks.... you'd be surprised...

old magnetic ballast with bad capacitor... you'd be surprised...

 

[UnknownProphet]

I have been tweaking Rez's 6/9 formula in a mainly coco soil-less mix and although the instructions are for a 63 day strain, I think cutting Micro at Day 29 is pretty spot on. When I kept the micro longer the buds seemed to crawl into full on flower. Not to mentioned they stayed very green even with an extensive flush. Although I have heat issues so that I believe is my main culprit to the airyness, doesn't seem to be a problem in your case though. Hopefully the bulb change was all that was needed. I think I'm gonna change mine in the next couple days, never hurts to have fresh bulbs.

Also 40 if that's a SSSDH it's not too uncommon at least that's what I'm experiencing. My two different phenos looked pretty pathetic then at about week 7-8 they started to really impress me by filling all the airyness and foxtailing like nothing I've ever grown.

You're a skilled grower with a keen eye for what your plants want, I'm sure you'll soon enough figure it out and be that much more knowledgeable.

 

[hashberry]

hey 40, you mind me asking the soil mix you've been using recently (or link me to it, or something)? I know you're running coco but I thought you were in soil mostly before...

Can't help much with the air buds.. Only time I've run into air buds, I think I overfed N and got foxtailing etc.. Pretty strange.

 

[zymos]

Someone has to say it-







-obviously you've got Tobacco Mosiac Virus!

 

[40AmpstoFreedom]

temps, wattage, and distance light is hung from canopy would help. do you use Co2?
I noticed some leaves cupped down, like they may be a little overwatered. have you tried cutting down to 1 feed a day??

20 inches from canopy some , no c02, runnin CoCo so you can't over water (it's best to water as much as possible brings fresh oxygen into medium), I list strain names but its every strain and there are many.

I redid my door cover and added an outside barrier I originally took down because there weren't any light leaks I could find but I just put it back up to be extra cautious heh.

Not sitting in water I havem in flood and drain tables and drain to waste every time.

Humidity may be a little high but nothing too bad to cause bud rot or anything...I am currently gonna chalk it up to my light bulbs because I have never seen that dark spot before hopefully I am right.

At least no one is saying some sort of nutrient problem seems there is/was something wrong environmentally. Fungus gnats have been the only problem but I started war 2 days ago.

 

[Smoke Buddy]

I think you are on track to suspect the bulbs. Your setup is pretty soilid as shown by your many successes. Guys I know change em every cycle... me about every third cycle. Good luck bro.

 

[BigDawg]

hey 40 were they just old bulbs or a particular brand that didn't work so well?

 

[Greenheart]

Looking at the curl and leaf structure it almost looks like it is revegging. Also the mature fans in the background appear to have a small bit of burn/cupping. I would second the vote on overwatering. Not by much however, perhaps with the light problem they weren't pounding the moisture out or using up nutes as fast. Sometimes it is the plant itself but if all of them are doing it on a multistrain I would look for other sources of problems first.

That's my stab at it anyhow.

*Any non HPS pics available?

 

[40AmpstoFreedom]

Plants are a perfect green some have a slight claw but I cut off micro already so shouldn;t get worse or anything.

They look like they were revegging or something to me. I am going to chalk it up as a light leak or bad bulb issue. They are hortilux and probably were used a grow or two too much. I stood inside today again as 0 light leaks this check as well.

I've looked up everything it could be and it just really seems it has to be environmental. I didn't see any nutrient deficiency or excess that would cause such airy buds. Most of these should be 14 days from harvest and my last harvest was absolutely terrible...I pulled 2 1/4 pounds from 2 3k watts...I really think it is the bulbs.

If it was the bulbs will these recover at all for a harvest within next 22 days?

 

[40AmpstoFreedom]

It was root aphids I mistook for gnats and I thought I was killing them. I just moved to a new state and I've done 2 grows both with different bug problems thrips, mites, and now root aphids. My last yield was atrocious and I suspected bulbs but, now I believe I have found my answer. House was extremely clean I kept the yard awesome not sure how bugs got in, but at least I can kill them all now ;\

This cost me and people I care about dearly. You won't be seeing from me for awhile unfortunately, but hopefully I can come back sometime. I have absolutely no idea what I am going to do or how things will turn out, but I will try to drop in if possible ever. They are day 44+ and look like they are day 20. Beautiful plants with almost no marks, but 20 day buds.

I suggest everyone to have researched and always have in-stock Floramite (destroys mites), Azatrol, Spinosad, Pyrethrum bombs, and Merit 75 (destroys aphids). I never needed this stuff before, but I guess that is the learning curve....BE PREPARED for the worse...

 

[dramamine]

Damn...that's some good advice, for sure 40Amps. Hope you get everything sorted out that you need to. Good luck.

 

[Phillthy]

It was root aphids I mistook for gnats and I thought I was killing them. I just moved to a new state and I've done 2 grows both with different bug problems thrips, mites, and now root aphids. My last yield was atrocious and I suspected bulbs but, now I believe I have found my answer. House was extremely clean I kept the yard awesome not sure how bugs got in, but at least I can kill them all now ;\

This cost me and people I care about dearly. You won't be seeing from me for awhile unfortunately, but hopefully I can come back sometime. I have absolutely no idea what I am going to do or how things will turn out, but I will try to drop in if possible ever. They are day 44+ and look like they are day 20. Beautiful plants with almost no marks, but 20 day buds.

I suggest everyone to have researched and always have in-stock Floramite (destroys mites), Azatrol, Spinosad, Pyrethrum bombs, and Merit 75 (destroys aphids). I never needed this stuff before, but I guess that is the learning curve....BE PREPARED for the worse...

hey bro glad to see you've got it figured out. once the critters are gone the crop should rebound. may have to go a couple of weeks longer but you should be able to harvest the goods. if you need anything at all give me a shout. p

 

[Lazyman]

Genetics and not enough light, some strains are simply meant for sunshine only. I have a fewmyself that I wont grow indoors again, but they do great outside.

The leaves are clawing due to overfeeding, flush then start feeding a lighter nute mix.

 

[Lazyman]

to kill root aphids i used 4ml per gallon sm90 and 2ml per gallon 35% peroxide, only took one application. if you have them it usually means you are overwatering too.