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Chimera's seeds are available now. SOTF keeps saying there will be plenty of his to go around but I've yet to see any. A few have popped up but apparently you've got to be really lucky to get them.
Looking for a Grapefruity strain
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Chimera's seeds are available now. SOTF keeps saying there will be plenty of his to go around but I've yet to see any. A few have popped up but apparently you've got to be really lucky to get them.
or female seeds grapefruit, the fms grapefruit wasnt named after its resemblance to a1 steak sauce. its pure grapefruit citrus bomb
Been stoned and getting my dick sucked sorry guys
Yeah a little gem called Sweet Tooth some of you might have heard of it once or twice
The whole plant smells like deep dank Indica grapefruit or a sweeter light sugary pink grapefruity aroma and like anything else some much more than others but they are not hard to find I would say out of 10 plants 7 or 8 of them are going to have it so it's very easy to find. The ones that don't are just more of a neutral sweet smell that is very pleasant. The taste when burned is kind of light sweet & hashy and very easy to smoke rarely ever harsh but it's not going to taste so much like GF as it smells like GF. I always think Sweet Tooth in a joint has a light citrus thing going on with a pleasant hashy aftertaste but that also is going to depend on how it's grown, dried, & cured. Sweet Tooth really has a scent all her own though in full frosty flower it's like taking those gummy pink grapefruit candies with the sugar on them and mixing in a little bit of deep Indica funk and acrid sweet & sour citrus rind. Of course some are more blueberry/strawberry/earthy sweet from the BB father in the strain but that is not very common in the Swt #4 since it's mostly SPG genetically & it's pretty much fixed GF & sugary sweet aroma in the IBL version because I only used parents that had this aroma on the stem rub in the past. There will be more available shortly, only about half the big seed run using the 8 mothers & the big candy GF stud male has dropped so far. I won't take credit for the qualities of the Tooth though because that was really Breeder Steve's passion & hard work fixing those traits to begin with and he was in love with the qualities and aroma of the SPG too so I have just done my best to preserve it so others can check it out for themselves if they want a taste of the old Spice of Life.
Much love! 
Some Female seeds Iced Grapefruit is very grapefruity...I have a mom that will be around for a long time to come. BUT...I really always wanted to get the Sweet Tooth!! I guess I could go the Chimera route but would be better off gettin to the direct source with the Sweet Tooth.To bad there is none avail at the moment . I love grapefruit smells and tastes. Believe it or not pink grapefruit is my favorite fruit,no kidding. Peace
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Welcome aboard Jare!
I have had your same exact feeling. Still nowadays every Amsterdam trip begins and ends with that taste....
I'm in love with it. Take a look at my recent updates in my searches, I'm still on it.
Grapefruit through NYCD is a challenge. Some got it with 5 beans, Soma himself told me it was plant #6 the very first round he planted it. I tried something like 40 original seeds (paid for every one of those....) and 70-80 F2s. Only 2-3 phenos worked for me.
I think more a matter of luck, but you might end up not so satified at the end.The best way is to go for it as clone.
I found this kind of dankness and agrumes (it's not exactly grapefruit, more of orange.lemon, agrumes anyway with the exact lingering effect as amstedam NYCD) with agent orange. Grapefruit, grapefruit diesel, dynamite and a few Nycd hybrids were good but less dank, less special.
My attention is drown lately to swt #4. Hope to find some at butique or bay. The passion behind this strain is really intense.
There're friends around really in love with it!
This strain should be the next ingredient to my agrumes salad.
Tomorrow I'm going to pollinate whole different plants with some ag. orange male to produce real agrumes saladers.
Think that I tried to eat a few male flowers and they tasted like orange peel. I will be glad to make some freebies to spread around.
I hope this helps your search and gives the best karma on it.
regards
Dr. P
Thanks for the infos, mate
Your hunt definitely deserves a good end, and mine too, i hope
The NYCD road to find that Grapefruit pheno was already putted away, i checked lots of experiences from good friends that grew it and no one got that dank GF aroma i'm looking for... I also smoked several citrus/agrumes phenotypes that fairly remind the bud i used to smoke in Amsterdam, but nothing of those was good enough, especially on the strongness of taste...
About the Agent Orange i'm just talkin' about it in the last days with a friend of mine, and we decided to get a pack and give a chance to this really promising strain... You got some tips on the pheno to keep? The orange peel male flowers sound very interesting to me, wich females you're intended to pollinate with that tasty stallion?
The Sweet Tooth looks to be the undisputed winner
Good to know I've to admit that i completely forgot the work of SOFT420 on this strain, i read his thread lots of times, but i'm a stoner, and i did not think at the SwT before startin' my search
Anyway i surely will buy a pack or two when they will be aviable, of course, and i already can't wait to smell that superb smell around my grow
Thanks to all for the helpful infos, and if anyone has something more to share about the Grapefruit he can feels free of posting here
I think the right phenos of the NYCD may actually taste more like GF and the SWT may smell more reliably like the sugary sweet/sour pink GF. In a vape yes the Sweet Tooth is very citrusy and tastes delicious & fruity from the freshly dried nugs but don't expect most stuff to really taste like GF that is just not really a constant in most strains unless someone discovers some one-off and it's a clone that circulates although I am sure it's possible to find in the Swt #4 stock normally when people are referring to the Sweet Tooth they are commenting on the distinct grapefruity aroma qualities inherited from the SPG clone. Then again you also have something that grows very fast, flower quickly, yields well, and has great bag appeal plus a very enjoyable happy buzz. That is why so many people love her so much and she just happens to be Grapefruity too. 
MasterKhufu
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Hi Jare, in my extensive expierence with both NYCD and Sweet Tooth 1.1 and 3 I will have to honestly say that the best choice to make is the NYCD.then the 1.1.The famous grapefruit pheno is fairly common in the NYCD and even more so in the newer batches because Soma worked to isolate it.I have found it in 4 seperate packs It's not the biggest yeilding plant but the flavor and high are both just kick ass.Im not to confident on the swt 4 or I might give it a try.I mean in one thread he said he used 8 females 3 males tthen in another thread it was 2 males 8 females and somewhere else I read it was only the stud candy male.So alot of ? marks on that one for me. plus Ive noticed anyone who asks questions or has a less than wonderfull expierence with sweet tooth gets their posts deleted.Also Ive yet to see any documented threads detailing excatly how he made it a ibl.Im no expert but Ive been growing my own for 20 yrs and have researched the art of breeding for years as well and Ive made plenty of seeds and sent plenty in for server fund under a different handle.So no disrespect to sotf420 I know you a good guy but it all just seems a little fishy to me.If I am wrong then please send me some links and accept my apoligy.But my honest opnion is get the NYCD
Hey man no worries, in the beginning it was going to be just one male but then due to my own concerns about wanting to maintain as much genetic diversity as possibly (since it's been inbred already to 5th gen now) I went with 3 males total and posted pictures of them all and they were all grapefruity on the stem rub. Like anything else though when a standout prize male is found the majority of the pollen came from that big stud candy GF male you mentioned and that was a very good thing trust me 8 females total were used, to offer Indica/Sativa leaning phenos that can be found when you deconstruct the strain and start incrossing it over time. All good questions man trust me no harm no foul at all, people growing them out are all reporting very consistent candy & grapefruity plant aroma's and getting some variations in the plant structures although for the most part they are consistent in their high vigor and fast growth along with early male sexing in veg. I think the female ratio's have been pretty good too at like 60-70% female although that likely has alot to do with conditions I believe. mugenbao has also just posted some harvest pics of some of his in one of the threads in my forum and everything is very frosty & dense despite being seeded. (for edible organic salad toppings of course!)
I would not have called it an "IBL" (which means inbred line) unless it was to the 5th gen seed now & if any traits have been fixed and worked on maintaining then it's been the Grapefruitiness but admittedly that was not very hard since like I stated many times Breeder Steve backcrossed his Tooth to the SPG so much. Again, his work & creation and anyone who knows me on here will tell you I give all credit to SOL/Breeder Steve and only made more seeds from my own when people were asking for them constantly and the site owner requested I do a seed run, most of which was donated to ICM thus far. I take no credit for Sweet Tooth although I did keep it all these years and make plenty of my own stock from the originals thankfully because something just told me it was worth keeping around.
Much love always.
8 females total were used, to offer Indica/Sativa leaning phenos that can be found when you deconstruct the strain and start incrossing it over time. All good questions man trust me no harm no foul at all, people growing them out are all reporting very consistent candy & grapefruity plant aroma's and getting some variations in the plant structures although for the most part they are consistent in their high vigor and fast growth along with early male sexing in veg. I think the female ratio's have been pretty good too at like 60-70% female although that likely has alot to do with conditions I believe. mugenbao has also just posted some harvest pics of some of his in one of the threads in my forum and everything is very frosty & dense despite being seeded. (for edible organic salad toppings of course!) I would not have called it an "IBL" (which means inbred line) unless it was to the 5th gen seed now & if any traits have been fixed and worked on maintaining then it's been the Grapefruitiness but admittedly that was not very hard since like I stated many times Breeder Steve backcrossed his Tooth to the SPG so much. Again, his work & creation and anyone who knows me on here will tell you I give all credit to SOL/Breeder Steve and only made more seeds from my own when people were asking for them constantly and the site owner requested I do a seed run, most of which was donated to ICM thus far. I take no credit for Sweet Tooth although I did keep it all these years and make plenty of my own stock from the originals thankfully because something just told me it was worth keeping around.
Much love always. 
Master Khufu
any more info on the NYCD. the part about soma re-working it. never heard of this, and is very interesting.
I just ordered 3 more packs of NYCD. so I'll see if there is some noticeable difference in them, as my seed stock is from 2 years ago.
my best guess would be to make F-2's then isolate from there, or buy the female seed and call is a good day, or night.
any more info on the NYCD. the part about soma re-working it. never heard of this, and is very interesting.
I just ordered 3 more packs of NYCD. so I'll see if there is some noticeable difference in them, as my seed stock is from 2 years ago.
my best guess would be to make F-2's then isolate from there, or buy the female seed and call is a good day, or night.
The yield isn't a problem, at all, the plant i'm lookin' for have to be "simply" a strong Grapefruit taste during the smoke, as i said in the first post my goal is to find "that" pheno
I'm also really interested in this work of Soma to isolate it, in the last times Soma don't join his subforum so much, so me and many other users (i think) don't know his actual works on his strains... Where do you get this new? Sounds very promising to me, and it will be surely a good move to improve the already great qualities of the NYCD
Let me know
MasterKhufu
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sotf, thank you for the reply I still have many questions maybe I see you in sweet tooth forum.
Habeeb and Jare.I'm refering to a couple years ago there was a thread by a member named mixn I believe and soma posted in that thread that he had reworked the NYCD based on the grapefruit pheno and anounced he was going to be releasing 5 pks.I dont know much beyond that except for that I found it easy to find and found a giant yeilding pheno that had a vanilla/sandlewood taste that I not like as much.grapefruit pheno I liked very much so I bought 3 more packs I found big pheno in 3 of 4 packs and grapefruit in all 4 packs.I also not get germination on all 40 seeds only 34 so out of those I found 4 grapefruit pheno I try to make f2 but did not fimd a good male out of 9.I hope you find it friend Is very good tasty pot.
Habeeb and Jare.I'm refering to a couple years ago there was a thread by a member named mixn I believe and soma posted in that thread that he had reworked the NYCD based on the grapefruit pheno and anounced he was going to be releasing 5 pks.I dont know much beyond that except for that I found it easy to find and found a giant yeilding pheno that had a vanilla/sandlewood taste that I not like as much.grapefruit pheno I liked very much so I bought 3 more packs I found big pheno in 3 of 4 packs and grapefruit in all 4 packs.I also not get germination on all 40 seeds only 34 so out of those I found 4 grapefruit pheno I try to make f2 but did not fimd a good male out of 9.I hope you find it friend Is very good tasty pot.
Really yummy my friend.Here is a Grapefruit Diesel (Next Generation) I grew out earlier this year.
Grapefruit x NYCD i believe?
Yummy ripe ruby grapefruit odor, taste, very diesely on throat!
Was it a large yielder? mine looked similar, and there's a lot of grapefruit down there. Really balanced. And potent.
From Next gen. catalogue they say they used their grapefruit clone crossed with a very fast flowering male. I think this refers to a very indica version or an afgan leaning pheno of a NYCD male. Sounds interesting anyway, as the 'mandarina cut' is actually a lot indica, with large leaves.
In NYCD S1 I had the last round I found really indica leaning phenos and the most resembling taste of grapefruit I had till then. I need to grow it during winter to get the best of her.
Very nice description, my friend. It gives the idea. NYCD x Sour is going to be killer. It's not easy to keep this grapefruit dankness in hybrids. Grow a large number of them. Best karma with your project! The more we try all together to breed for grapefruit the closer we get...
The NYCD road to find that Grapefruit pheno was already putted away, i checked lots of experiences from good friends that grew it and no one got that dank GF aroma i'm looking for... I also smoked several citrus/agrumes phenotypes that fairly remind the bud i used to smoke in Amsterdam, but nothing of those was good enough, especially on the strongness of taste...
About the Agent Orange i'm just talkin' about it in the last days with a friend of mine, and we decided to get a pack and give a chance to this really promising strain... You got some tips on the pheno to keep? The orange peel male flowers sound very interesting to me, wich females you're intended to pollinate with that tasty stallion?
I perfectly understand what you mean. Even last april the NYCD stash in coffeshops was really lower in quality and that citrous dankness was faint at best. The plant must be grown perfectly and masterfully to give this dankness. No compromise.
You got another good point. I think that the first and most special trait for me in NYCD is grapefruit TASTE. We need to separate taste from smell.
Grapefruit smell and aromas of fresh and dried buds are quite easy to achieve. Nearly all the strains I had this year smelled grapefruit in various degrees. BUT.... it's when smoke comes in contact with your mouth that this NYCD exhibits her best.
TASTE. TASTE. TASTE.
All people I smoked NYCD with agreed that one of her beauty was the perfect TRANSITION from smell to taste. Overwhelming taste that stands in your saliva for minutes after, the same aroma that reeks strong out of the bag.
(This is a trait which is easy to get with organic farming.)
But that clear tangy, citrous tone is not. Even 4 differend NYCDS1 showed to me different aromas around it. Musky, earthy and sour contaminate a bit the smoke. Not so pure (again I'll try with winter cycle...)
Take a look at my thread, I tried to explain the various grapefruitness of the plants I tried.
I'm also beginning to think that taste of male flowers eaten fresh can be a good indicator of taste of resin in someway. Any ideas on this? I tried again to eat some fresh male flowers. Agent O. is orange peel all the way. And also my nycdx bubblegum male tastes grapefruit. Good news!
Yesterday I put that orange #5 male in the middle of my growroom to pollinate entirely several plants. Among the best I have NYCDxg13haze #2 (my grapefruit keeper), NYgh F2 (#8 crazy foxtailing grapefruit keeper), Sour D2007, Chocolope, Chemdog, various mosca Sonic Fly, Amnesia Haze from SOma, all tha plants that partecipated to grail project (female seeds grapefruit, grapefruit diesel, Agent orange #2 and #3, NyCDS1, Dynamite, Vortex and MNS Spice) and some more. I'm in full 4th week of bloom and I hope to produce several citrousy freebies.
I'll Keep you updated.
I'm also really interested in this work of Soma to isolate it, in the last times Soma don't join his subforum so much, so me and many other users (i think) don't know his actual works on his strains... Where do you get this new? Sounds very promising to me, and it will be surely a good move to improve the already great qualities of the NYCD
Let me know
Last year I talked extensively with Soma himself about his NYCD.
I told him about my difficoulties to find that pheno. NYCD is really an unstable cross. Three lines together and not IBLS. He told me it is not difficult to find various degrees of grapefruit, but to get the exact this I needed it in a clone form. Not safe for me to take it back home through customs, so I walked this long road of pheno hunting through seeds.
He's been few years trying to fix and stabilize the strain, to get more uniform grapefruit but so far in his opinion the best beans I could have popped should have been the S1 of this famous clone. And so I did.
MasterKhufu, you were lucky to find those phenos. Keep them carefully!
Can you make a description of them. Did you find any similarities in growing traits?
Vanilla sandalwood was one of the most frequent phenos in my rounds. Very sativa, hawaian pheno.
Let's breed some true grapefruit nycd. Help of everyone is welcomed!
Tnx for the support, bro, it's an honour!
Thank you to SOTF420. Your passion is a firelight for us rookie breeders. SWT4 is surely Very good.
Very nice thread, tnx to everyone who passes in here for your time.
Regards
Dr.P
MasterKhufu
Member
the pheno was a indica structure plant not huge on stretch....made small but very dense buds that smelled and tasted just like red grapefruits very pronounced I like how you describe the taste/smell transition you were spot on.....finished between 60 and 70 days and the fans turned a deep yellow and red during flush.the others were very similar but 1 was far stretchier but the grapefruit trait was there in full.I not like the vanilla sanselwood pheno except it yeilded 3x as much as the grapefruit pheno.I hope Soma is able to get that grapefruit trait locked in to a plant that yeilds like the other.For grapefruit taste this cant be beat every bit as good as the ecsd but very different imho
Old "Joeshmoe" had one of the best looking cuts of GF I've ever seen.
I wished I could have got some clones of it before he vanished.
That man knew how to finish a plant to perfection & always had a wealth of grow-knowledge & beautiful pic's to share with all ICMAG members.
I wished I could have got some clones of it before he vanished.
That man knew how to finish a plant to perfection & always had a wealth of grow-knowledge & beautiful pic's to share with all ICMAG members.
Everything corresponds. I think you found it.
Here's the nycd from amsterdam 2008. Perfectly flushed and cured. Smoked awesome. It was 3.2 grams.
Perfect all way round.
This is my NYCD S1, very indica. Low yielder. Mostly grapefruit. 70 days.
This is one of fan leaves which were all indica.
Compared to the sativa version of few years ago. (mostly vanilla sandalwood - I would define it 'exotic') 80-90days. Hawaian pheno.
I only tried mosca sonic fly, which share the special father C99. It has an intense, amazing smell and potency. I had some C99 F2 from gypsy but the grapefruitness was quite weak. Mosca's stuff is refined, probably better. It's a different path. But I agree with you.
Hope it helps.
Dr.P
MasterKhufu
Member
looks just like the vanilla pheno that I had spot on.huge yeild
Tnx
Nope. Never.
Regular NYCD even the least grapefruit are amazing plants. Really unstable strain as uniformity, but strong as hell and no hermies around, even in very stressful situations. NYCD x g13haze showed a brutal hybrid vigour, but added some more genetic drift to uniformity...
Gorgeous plants to keep, roots early as clone, never autoflower, never get dwarfed, no gnarled or weird leaves or mutations. Not prone to mold, big producer (sativas), elegant and slender plant to look at. It's a masterpiece of breeding. Some jems are just hiding in there.
This strain is a gold mine. Also in her lack of uniformity. This is the best way a breeder can keep his work quite far from knock off artists' , and let unsatisfied people buy again and again some seeds more expensive than raw gold... All for a grapefruit taste....
Crazy, isn't it?S1 showed same vigour, more an indica style, leaves, fast flowering and an amazing hollow strong stem. I was really surprised! The most hollow ever seen supported the leaf in the picture, really opposite to the thin long stems of sativas. But no hermies at any point.
Dr. P
Tnx
Nope. Never.
Regular NYCD even the least grapefruit are amazing plants. Really unstable strain as uniformity, but strong as hell and no hermies around, even in very stressful situations. NYCD x g13haze showed a brutal hybrid vigour, but added some more genetic drift to uniformity...
Gorgeous plants to keep, roots early as clone, never autoflower, never get dwarfed, no gnarled or weird leaves or mutations. Not prone to mold, big producer (sativas), elegant and slender plant to look at. It's a masterpiece of breeding. Some jems are just hiding in there.
This strain is a gold mine. Also in her lack of uniformity. This is the best way a breeder can keep his work quite far from knock off artists' , and let unsatisfied people buy again and again some seeds more expensive than raw gold... All for a grapefruit taste....
S1 showed same vigour, more an indica style, leaves, fast flowering and an amazing hollow strong stem. I was really surprised! The most hollow ever seen supported the leaf in the picture, really opposite to the thin long stems of sativas. But no hermies at any point.
Dr. P
Absolutely. The NYCD is a real treat, incredible tastes through out many of the phenos like a really sweet ECSD, with a fruity somewhat skunky/afghani? twist on it.
Supposedly the Diesel (From the "Guy with dreads down to hit feet") that was used by Soma in NYCD is Original Diesel, which is part of the backbone of The Original Sour Diesel (ECSD) and has a strong chem '91 influence. It's also pretty well held that OG Kush is an Original Diesel S1, rather than a straight Chem '91 S1 - which could explain the extra indica expressions in OG Kush varieties.
[FONT="]Original Diesel (OD) = Chem '91 X (MassSuperSkunk X SensiNL)
Sour Diesel = Original Diesel X DNL
DNL = (RFK Skunk X Hawaiian) X NL
RFK = Skunk strain from RFK dead Shows 90-91"[/FONT]
So essentially the difference in genotypes between ECSD and NYCD is this:
Sour Diesel = Original Diesel x Skunk/Hawaiian/NL
NYCD = Original Diesel S1 x Afghani/Hawaiian
Original Diesel has SensiNL in it, so the NYCD still shares NL genetics like ECSD. The main difference apart from the mothers and phenotypes used, is ECSD uses Skunk x Hawaiian, while NYCD uses Afghani x Hawaiian.
It's pretty well confirmed that the Chem 91 in Original Diesel was the original cut, meaning it was female.
According to JJ-NYC the cross of SensiNL/MSS = Sensi NL was the Male and the Mass Super Skunk was the female cut - which produced seeds - from those seeds a male was chosen and then crossed with the Female Chem '91 producing Original Diesel.
Dank Regards,
Bi0hazard
