HD VIDEO: Seed Starting Mix (side by side comparison!)

[Crush]

Ok!

I'm VERY HAPPY to announce that I've finally discovered a superior seed starting mix!!! Here's the video showing how great this mix is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8LtxXxnabU&hd=1

The comparison in the video is with 30% peat moss, 70% vermiculite. Extra air to the roots guys! Extra air!

I've used mostly Rockwool for my seedlings with mediocre, slow results. Jiffy Cubes were awful and promoted over watering and slow growth. Also so heavy that some seeds couldn't 'pierce' out of the top. Then I tried Pro Mix HP which outright burned my seedlings to death. Then the Miracle grow seed mix. Typical slow growth.

This mix is adapted from the vegetable growing community that is geared towards city tap water with chloramines at a ph of around 7. (Remember, most of the vegetable gardening community live in rural areas with well water, rain water, or RO treated water to their home. so you just can't go and do everything exactly as they do it.)

Here is the recipe:

30% Composted Cow Manure (you can use sheep, but cow preferred. Don't use worm castings)
30% Peat Moss
40% Perlite

-Mix ingredients together.
-Add treated water (see below) and mix again.
-You can optionally add Liquid Karma or other snake oil at this point.
-Put in containers and let sit for 2 weeks.
-Make sure soil is always somewhat moist.
-If a fuzz or mold grows on top than that's ok.
-Place seed about 1/2" down from top
-Lightly cover up.
-Keep top area wet at all times until seed pops.
-Seed will explode out with super rapid growth!

IMPORTANT:

De-Chlorinate ANY water that touches the soil using ClorAm-X (order online) or AmQuel. If you are on city tap water you have chloramines in it. Letting water evaporate for 24 hours is outdated grow lore and should not be followed.. Do NOT let chloramine's touch the soil!

 

[stoney-trees]

Do you like guys?

 

[stoney-trees]

pro mix burned you seeds? I started like 100 seeds in that shit without a problem.

 

[Crush]

pro mix burned you seeds? I started like 100 seeds in that shit without a problem.

Yes and that's why I used Pro-Mix HP (the one in the big bale). People said it worked. As usual for me, it didn't.

When I used it with tap water and nothing else, it burned the shit out of my plants. So bad that half of my seedlings died.

Through research I found out that it had an initial chemical feeding that isn't advertised because it's meant for outdoor usage.

 

[Ganja D]

Starting seeds aint rocket science. I've planted thousands in my lifetime and usually over 95 % grow fine. You know you could just switch to easy mode seed planting if you wanted.
You shouldn't use vermiculite,it's basically heated up asbestos. Also seedlings that small don't need any manure or heavy fertilizer.
I only saw half your video,it's honestly a bit scary. Looking forward to following this thread.

 

[stoney-trees]

Yes and that's why I used Pro-Mix HP (the one in the big bale). People said it worked. As usual for me, it didn't.

When I used it with tap water and nothing else, it burned the shit out of my plants. So bad that half of my seedlings died.

Through research I found out that it had an initial chemical feeding that isn't advertised because it's meant for outdoor usage.

Its not meant for outdoor uses only.. soilless mediums typically are not used for outdoors. And they make about 4 different ones in a bale.

Your tap water is what killed them. A soiless medium no matter how lightly fertilized will not kill your seedlings. Thats just crazy.

Perhaps you should get a few years in of growing before trying to teach others. Judging by your videos your clueless.


your plant that doesnt have fan leaves....doesnt have fan leaves because they all died off. No plant grows "all bud" as you put it.

 

[Ganja D]

I just watched more of the video. I have a lot of experience starting seeds and I can tell you the reason the ones in the plastic cups grow a little faster and bigger is due to the fact they are bigger sized containers and have more room for a tap root to grow deeper into the soil.
The smaller seed starting containers are only meant to germinate and transplant soon after.

 

[Crush]

Please help me then.

What kind of promix do you use? I use the large Pro series Promix HP in the large bale. It's not the consumer brand.

I put my seeds in it, watered it, they popped out, turned a very dark green, then curled under, and got burned so severly that half of them died and couldn't be salvaged. I just used Pro-Mix HP out of the bale and planted the seeds directly in it. I've never had that problem with anything else including Rockwool, Peat, Perlite/Peat, Vermiculite, Jiffy Cubes, Bark, Outdoor soil, etc. etc.

 

[Crush]

I just watched more of the video. I have a lot of experience starting seeds and I can tell you the reason the ones in the plastic cups grow a little faster and bigger is due to the fact they are bigger sized containers and have more room for a tap root to grow deeper into the soil.
The smaller seed starting containers are only meant to germinate and transplant soon after.

I knew someone was going to say that.

They were light years ahead of the other plants in just a day.

 

[Ganja D]

Please help me then.

What kind of promix do you use? I use the large Pro series Promix HP in the large bale. It's not the consumer brand.

I put my seeds in it, watered it, they popped out, turned a very dark green, then curled under, and got burned so severly that half of them died and couldn't be salvaged. I just used Pro-Mix HP out of the bale and planted the seeds directly in it. I've never had that problem with anything else including Rockwool, Peat, Perlite/Peat, Vermiculite, Jiffy Cubes, Bark, Outdoor soil, etc. etc.

Here's how I start seeds. I mix about 60% fox farm light warrior and around 40% black gold. I moisten the soil to the point if you squeeze some in your hand water will drip out but not totally waterlogged. Then I fill planting containers with the soil,poke holes about 3/4 of an inch deep with a pen or a nail or something,plant the seeds in the hole,lightly cover with soil,and thats all.
I spray the top of the soil gently with a water from a sprayer bottle once or twice the first few days and water very gently as needed so the soil doesnt dry but is never waterlogged.
I get over 95% germination rates every time and healthy plants. Follow that and join the rest of us in easy mode.

 

[deacon]

I'm new here but I've tried many many germination methods. Personally, planting direct to a small 3oz solo cup filled with a premixed soil (I use FFOF) and then putting it under a 13W CFL. I've never had an issue with germination. People try to over complicate germination and get screwed up by putting so much into such a simple thing. I use the 3oz cup because the plant will stay there for 3 weeks, which is enough time to use all the nutrients in that soil. I just water it with the water that you call "grow lore" (evaporated water)..

 

[Anti]

Suggestion for actual side to side trial:

• Use same containers for both soil types at the same volume.
• Instead of putting all the 'hardier' ones in one soil-type and all the "weak" ones in another, put half of each in each type (and why stop at two?)

Your videos are getting better, but I've never started a seed in a mix that looked like yours. I don't know where you're getting your grow lore from. (I'm not saying nobody does it.. but I'm DEFINITELY SAYING that not everybody does it. Hence, it's merely a method, not a rule.)

How can you know that it's the fertilizer and not the container? (Larger container could retain more moisture, allow more oxygen to the roots, etc.) Only way to know is to do a straight up comparison.

In my experiments with pot size and shape, I find that container size makes a huge difference in the amount of growth one gets, all other things being equal.

And I'd still like to hear more about this growers lore you speak of.

HMFTEF!

 

[GeorgeWBush]

The only logical conclusion for these ridiculous videos is that you are absolutely starving for attention.

Perhaps a pet may help. Nice little doggies give you lots and lots of attention. Wuff Wuff!!

Cat's don't give as much love but they sure are tasty!!!

 

[PuReKnOwLeDgE]

My friend popped my pack of the skunk x haze freebies and he flowered them out from a party cup, they BLOW UP! He ended up throwing them out they were overgrowing an 8 x 8room. So, flower early man.

Your mix if they were under the same light, the cups were closer, and they have more room in the medium for roots and more rapid growth. I think your small ones have restricted light, and root space so others did better. I use foxfarm light warrior mix, works great. Also, I am not picky about chlorine or not for seedlings, since they are chowing from the cotleydons and there are no organic ferts in my seed mix for the benficials to break down.

Assuming they were under the same flouro light, those couple inches are about a 200% difference in the amount of light the two sets are recieving.

Your grow lore shit cracks me up, like you think the majority of ICMAG is spreading misinformation.

Keep it hard dude!

 

[Crush]

Actually this wasn't meant to be an experiment. I was hesitant to start it under composted cow manure so I only put the worst looking seeds in there.

I think they took longer to start than the other seeds (because I put the least cracked seeds in those ones).. maybe even a day or two.. but I can't remember.

Anyhow, I turn around and all of a sudden BANG! They BLEW OUT and surpassed all the other seedlings in a day! The one that pushed out the strongest was the one that actually bent over. The stem was thin and it 'leaned over' to the side because the foliage was so heavy for the stem. It's getting better daily though.

I thought the cow manure would burn the seedlings but I was wrong. I just got this from the vegetable gardening people. They are very bullish on Ceramic Metal Halides though.

I've never seen seedlings just take off like this before.

The reason why I used the peat moss is to drop the acid of the soil mix. I'm trying to stay away from using PH down to save time.

 

[simon]

^^^ 2 weeks from seed in Pro-Mix. FWIW, I start all seeds in Pro-Mix or MG Seed Starter and feed from the first watering. It seems like a lot of proven methodologies don't work for you, regardless of their simplicity.

Simon

 

[Crush]

^^^ 2 weeks from seed in Pro-Mix. FWIW, I start all seeds in Pro-Mix or MG Seed Starter and feed from the first watering. It seems like a lot of proven methodologies don't work for you, regardless of their simplicity.

Simon

Oh Really.

Please tell me exactly what to feed the seedlings. I'll do exactly as you say.

 

[simon]

Oh Really.

Please tell me exactly what to feed the seedlings. I'll do exactly as you say.

Fair enough.

Start the seeds in Pro-Mix. I use the B'cuzz brand and add nothing to it. Once the seedlings are up and the medium begins to dry, use 1/4 teaspoon per gallon of Jack's Classic All-Purpose and water with the solution. Next watering, 1/4t/gallon (same concentration). The one after, 1/2t/gallon, the one after 1t/gallon and remain at that concentration until flowering.

As a general timeline in my environment, after ~2 weeks the plants are on 1/2t/gallon.

http://www.jacksclassic.com/dynamic_duo.html

I run T5s for the first ~2 weeks at 24/0 and then move the plants under HIDs at 18-20 hours of light, depending.

Simon

 

[Crush]

How do you use the B'Cuzz?

 

[ninja bud]

wtf are chloromines?