My Body My Privacy

[kmk420kali]

why do you guy's whine about drug's and testing and your alway's lookin' to get over on them
? methinks YOU will try to get over on anybody? because swindling begets swindling.... why dont you own up for once in you god damned life ?...and take the fall?

How did I miss this??
It is not "Swindling"-- It is a person that does nothing to harm anyone...that is forced into a decision...comply or cheat--
"Comply" with fucking what??!! Making sure you are complacent with the Quid Pro Quo??
Fuck that!!
Stand up for yourself...or be devoured--

 

[Frozenguy]

NOTB does have a point. Let me clarify my version of his point.
It's not an invasion of privacy until they force something on you. This is for a job right? If you don't like their policies, go somewhere else. It is up to you, choice is yours.

Just like at those big bulk member only stores that check your receipts after you have already paid. It's not an invasion of privacy for them to check bags I OWN. Bags that are MY PERSONAL PROPERTY, because I agreed to it in the membership contract.



Cheating on a piss test is like cheating on anything else in life. Some people accept it because smoking is such a part of life for so many here including myself, that to not accept it would be to rule out many many many jobs which is hard to do in the real world.

But it is cheating and cheating is cheating.

I wouldn't go as far as to equate it to stealing from the company, but you are lieing and cheating.

I don't necessarily agree with all drug tests for all employment positions but if you don't want it you can choose to seek employment elsewhere or lie.

 

[EastFortRock]

Cheating the test is not stealing from your employer. I think no one can judge another, in this situation.

 

[sso]

smoking weed on most of those jobs that test, would actually be beneficient, to both the employee and employer.

besides, you are not really cheating people, but half monkeys.

people that disscriminate like that, havent got half a brain or heart.

cheating on a pisstest is more akin to tricking the cat into not eating the bird.

and anyways, according to those people, we are criminals anyway :laugh:

and if im a criminal for smoking and easing my pain, well, in the eyes of those folks, i really cant give a fuck about their feelings or whether i lie or cheat them to have a decent life.

course i dont want to hurt them, they are just idiots.

and that again,makes it so that it doesnt matter, half a brain is half a brain.

its like worrying over whether amoebas get offended.

 

[crazybear]

NOTB does have a point. Let me clarify my version of his point.
It's not an invasion of privacy until they force something on you. This is for a job right? If you don't like their policies, go somewhere else. It is up to you, choice is yours.

Just like at those big bulk member only stores that check your receipts after you have already paid. It's not an invasion of privacy for them to check bags I OWN. Bags that are MY PERSONAL PROPERTY, because I agreed to it in the membership contract.



Cheating on a piss test is like cheating on anything else in life. Some people accept it because smoking is such a part of life for so many here including myself, that to not accept it would be to rule out many many many jobs which is hard to do in the real world.

But it is cheating and cheating is cheating.

I wouldn't go as far as to equate it to stealing from the company, but you are lieing and cheating.

I don't necessarily agree with all drug tests for all employment positions but if you don't want it you can choose to seek employment elsewhere or lie.

Cheating may be cheating, but telling your wife that that new skirt does not make her butt look fat is still lying. Ever since they came up with the drug tests, every shit hole company thinks it's their right to invade privacy of employee's, for what reason? Because they think every dope smoking "hippie" is going to be a good for nothing lazy looser, thief , so is that the truth?! To some extent some are but then again their are just as many that are not "dope smoking hippies" that are lazy good for nothing looser thieves, so how is getting a job with a company & the only thing you cheat on is a piss test because you use cannabis?? Just my two cents!

 

[crazybear]

morphine man ? now i see why u are "far far away", i use to have back problems and they tried putting me on that shit ,for you it may be cool,but for me? that shit is twisted as fuck.

You don't know me, & I don't know you, so quit judging me about having been on Morphine, you use this I used to have "back" problems, I would try & school you on what chronic pain is all about, but until you feel like me you'll never know! Judge your self not me, maybe I haven't always been honest to employers about what I did away from work, but I always gave them an honest days work , for a lot of times not really an honest wage & no I didn't flip burgers non of your business what I did! Have a good life thinking you fucking know something !

 

[MIway]

I worked a manufacturing gig a while back... other managers missing finger bits & stories of the guy that had his upper torso ripped off cuz he wasn't paying attention... some jobs kinda have a need to test people, for their safety & their co-workers... some just to be insured to keep the doors open. Other examples... do you want a geeked out air traffic controller or truck driver or surgeon? Yeah, I met a surgeon that routinely snorted shit up his nose the night before he operated on people... go figure, they don't drug test them though.

 

[gaiusmarius]

I worked a manufacturing gig a while back... other managers missing finger bits & stories of the guy that had his upper torso ripped off cuz he wasn't paying attention... some jobs kinda have a need to test people, for their safety & their co-workers... some just to be insured to keep the doors open. Other examples... do you want a geeked out air traffic controller or truck driver or surgeon? Yeah, I met a surgeon that routinely snorted shit up his nose the night before he operated on people... go figure, they don't drug test them though.

imho the point is that you should be judged by your ability to do the job you are there to do at the times you are there to do it. none of the rest is anybody's business. i'm all for the right of the employer to grill his potential employee and even require them to prove their abilities, but i'm against them having the right to see whether you are toking on the weekends or at night or not. if some one is all tweaked out, don't employ him finished, no need to have him piss in your cup first. if your unsure give some one a trail week, it's not like you can't get rid of them if they are not able to do the job.

 

[crazybear]

I worked a manufacturing gig a while back... other managers missing finger bits & stories of the guy that had his upper torso ripped off cuz he wasn't paying attention... some jobs kinda have a need to test people, for their safety & their co-workers... some just to be insured to keep the doors open. Other examples... do you want a geeked out air traffic controller or truck driver or surgeon? Yeah, I met a surgeon that routinely snorted shit up his nose the night before he operated on people... go figure, they don't drug test them though.

Look man I never said about getting high at work or before work, AFTER WORK!!!!!! I've seen & heard about people getting hurt at work from being hung over, thinking about pussy, thinking about about a multitude of shit not even high, so what's your point I worked in a very important job that being high & not paying attention, would kill a lot of people! I just never smoked before or during work! But why should what a person does on the weekend or after work as long as you are not affected at work the next day affect where you work! It's just like drinking doe it responsibly, I'm not trying to preach but F**K it's no wonder people don't want stoners to work for them because people can't separate work from play!!!!!!!!!
In a way I'm glad I don't have to play the game anymore because I kicked the hard drugs & I wish I could work, but man I'm F**ked physically , wish I could still work, it's hard enough to sit here & be on my f'd up computer!

 

[Frozenguy]

Cheating may be cheating, but telling your wife that that new skirt does not make her butt look fat is still lying. Ever since they came up with the drug tests, every shit hole company thinks it's their right to invade privacy of employee's, for what reason? Because they think every dope smoking "hippie" is going to be a good for nothing lazy looser, thief , so is that the truth?! To some extent some are but then again their are just as many that are not "dope smoking hippies" that are lazy good for nothing looser thieves, so how is getting a job with a company & the only thing you cheat on is a piss test because you use cannabis?? Just my two cents!

?? My post may have not been so clear.

I'm just stating it is cheating which it is.

Telling your wife her butt does not look big, when in fact you do think it does, is lying. I agree.

I'm not judging anyone.

I don't agree with most of the companies requiring drug testing, but I do for some.

It is not my right to demand increased or reduced hiring requirements from a company. They can do as they wish and I will move on. This is AMERICA.

You do not have the god given right to be hired by someone.

Everyone has standards. I or you may not agree with others, but it is what it is.

And again, it is NOT an invasion of privacy if you agree to their request, or if you decline their request and they do not force it on you.


The majority of professionals (engineers, a biologist) that I know would not be employed right now if their employer cared about cannabis. In my experience, what matters are your credentials and how you hold/present yourself in an interview.


I know this is not true for everyone. But it is not keeping everyone from jobs. I've had friends that lost jobs or didn't get hired. But they found jobs, and they still smoke!

 

[EastFortRock]

I worked my job for years before they started drug testing and if I quit , I couldn't make half as much money some where else. I am not about to quit working there out of principle . I did not agree to , or sign some statement saying they can drug test me , but they can if they want to. If they fired me for a weekend toke , I would not only be pissed , I would get ugly revenge [and that would make cheating on a drug test seem quite mild in comparison]. .. Cheating on a drug test for me would be self defense IMO.

 

[draco]

NOTB does have a point. Let me clarify my version of his point.
It's not an invasion of privacy until they force something on you. This is for a job right? If you don't like their policies, go somewhere else. It is up to you, choice is yours.

Just like at those big bulk member only stores that check your receipts after you have already paid. It's not an invasion of privacy for them to check bags I OWN. Bags that are MY PERSONAL PROPERTY, because I agreed to it in the membership contract.



Cheating on a piss test is like cheating on anything else in life. Some people accept it because smoking is such a part of life for so many here including myself, that to not accept it would be to rule out many many many jobs which is hard to do in the real world.

But it is cheating and cheating is cheating.

I wouldn't go as far as to equate it to stealing from the company, but you are lieing and cheating.

I don't necessarily agree with all drug tests for all employment positions but if you don't want it you can choose to seek employment elsewhere or lie.

DOT my man. can't drive a truck without a CDL... can't have a CDL without pissing.


somebody else will not rule my life.


keepin' it simple. no dogma required...

 

[crazybear]

?? My post may have not been so clear.

I'm just stating it is cheating which it is.

Telling your wife her butt does not look big, when in fact you do think it does, is lying. I agree.

I'm not judging anyone.

I don't agree with most of the companies requiring drug testing, but I do for some.

It is not my right to demand increased or reduced hiring requirements from a company. They can do as they wish and I will move on. This is AMERICA.

You do not have the god given right to be hired by someone.

Everyone has standards. I or you may not agree with others, but it is what it is.

And again, it is NOT an invasion of privacy if you agree to their request, or if you decline their request and they do not force it on you.


The majority of professionals (engineers, a biologist) that I know would not be employed right now if their employer cared about cannabis. In my experience, what matters are your credentials and how you hold/present yourself in an interview.


I know this is not true for everyone. But it is not keeping everyone from jobs. I've had friends that lost jobs or didn't get hired. But they found jobs, and they still smoke!

It is invasion of privacy, yes you have a choice of where you go to get a job, but what business is it of any company what people do with their own time! THC. stays in your system for 30 or more days if they tested to see if you were high on the job ok but pee in a bottle to make sure it's not in your system at all , bullshit!!!!!!!

 

[draco]

imho the point is that you should be judged by your ability to do the job you are there to do at the times you are there to do it. none of the rest is anybody's business.

this should be the only criterion.

 

[dagnabit]

sometimes the employer is not some zealot ass hat rather,there are liability insurance mandate issues...
just a thought.

 

[zymos]

True enough.
Some people get all self righteous about it, but I just see it as a game you might have to play, like the speed limit, or gravity...

 

[draco]

yeah. a really good employer should and does hate to lose a valued employee. weed, schmeed...that guy could make it dance!

 

[NOTB]

OUCH!!! ..i really do flip burgers for a living..after being "edjumacated" for 4 fucking years....it cost me 150 g's to be edjumacated...and it's WORTHLESS...are you feelin better now you mouthy fuck..... yea im flippin burgers but at least im doin something.

 

[hazy]

sometimes the employer is not some zealot ass hat rather,there are liability insurance mandate issues...
just a thought.

That insurance angle was all part of the plan(can I call it a conspiracy?), by the "Partnership for a drug free America", LEO, and the government, to squeeze the pot smoker into second class citizen status. So I say fuck that reason too. I'll not feel guilty for using some quikfix to foil their plans, regardless of why they do UAs.

 

[supermanlives]

good to know. altho i have never taken a test. even turned down probation once as it required testing. told the judge no thanks, i dont like having my freedom dangled in front of me. got some extra time LOL .the only way i would ever test is if physically forced to do so.