Loss of dreams from cannabis?

[eburna]

I notice that there's definitely a marked decrease in the number of dreams I get when I've been consistently smoking. I just fall into a really dead sleep. And when I stop smoking and can dream again, they are more vivid.

This is an slightly off-topic, but there's a proposed mechanism by which dmt may play a role in vivid dreaming, albeit the theory remains unproven (I think mostly for lack of scholarly interest in the topic).

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

SOY LECITHIN. it is a supplement that lowers your pot tolerance and enhances your dreams and helps you remember them. starts working after about a week.

 

[Guest 26753]

Wow, 9 pages of posts and only 2 or 3 are relevant. Seems few people fully understand the science behind cannabis and dreaming.

Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is an insidious illness that often manifests in aberrant dreaming (and other multiple symptoms), where trauma from the past comes to re-visit you each and every night once you finally fall to sleep. There is no single or combination conventional medicine that can successfully treat dreaming issues for those suffering from what I call "terror fatigue". However, cannabis has been proven to be a miracle drug for the treatment of PTSD as the cannabinoids disrupt the process of the aberrant dreams, and you most often wake in the morning with NO RECOLLECTION of having had any dreams. This means that you wake feeling refreshed, and are more likely to be able to cope with the other PTSD symptoms during the day time hours. Of course cannabis also helps with PTSD during the waking hours, as issues such as anxiety, hyper-alertness, depression, etc, are ameliorated.

The science behind cannabis stopping recollection of dreaming can be found in a terrific study by Professor Beat Lutz - The Endocannabinoid System and Extinction Learning - see attachment to this post below.

Also, there was a terrific article in Treating Yourself Magazine a few years back that dealt with PTSD and dreaming issues. See below.

I hope this helps you understand why cannabis stops you recalling dreams.

PTSD, Anxiety, Extinguishing Painful Memories and the Endogenous Cannabinoid System



by Ally (aka pflover)
“Preserve Neural Plasticity!”

Published in: Treating Yourself: The Alternative Medical Journal



“My wife is very grateful to have a 'friendly husband' as opposed to a grouchy, complaining, in-pain, morphine- and Prozac-affected husband. My wife will gladly testify at any hearing as to the effect of medical marijuana on my PTSD. If anyone dares to tell her that medical marijuana does not work for PTSD -- they'd better prepare to lose that argument! She lives with me -- she knows!”

- Rick Fabian, http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/articles/rick_fabian.htm


Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) results from extreme attack on psychological wellbeing involving threat of loss of life or intense physical harm. Individuals stricken with this malady frequently find themselves reliving the memories of the trauma through “flashbacks” during waking hours and night terrors and nightmares when asleep, the latter two resulting in insomnia which further compromises psychological wellbeing. PTSD can completely undermine an individual’s attempts to operate as a functional member of society.

Who develops PTSD, you might ask? Historically, veterans have brought the most attention to this condition as is made evident by the older names “Shell Shock” and “battle/combat fatigue”. This is despite the fact that soldiers only compose one group suffering from this condition. As of yet, there are no known cut and dry rules about exactly who will or who won't develop PTSD. Depending on the severity, in 5%-80% of individuals, experiencing one of the following events will trigger onset of the disorder: violent military duty, car accidents, domestic abuse, surgery, sexual abuse/assault, child abuse, torture, terror tactics, severe natural disasters, etc (Wikipedia, 1). The following quote typifies the life of many PTSD suffers:

“I’ve been a deputy sheriff as well as a police chief and a private investigator, but the PTSD always made me crash and burn. I’ve lost everything several times, and for the last few years I have been rebuilding again. My doctors have told me to retire and try to maintain as normal a life as possible.”

- Michael McKenna, http://www.rxmarihuana.com/pstd.htm


In order to alleviate their symptoms and pursue a normal life style many suffers turn to cannabis with successful results. The relaxing, and anxiolitic (anti-anxiety) effects of cannabis under some conditions have been know for centuries but it is only recently that we have begun understand the complex way in which cannabinoids and the endocannabinoid (eCB) system modulate the expression of anxiety-type behavior.

There are three main factors that are important to the study and understanding of PTSD. These are aversive memory formation, if the aversive memory or fear is cue-induced vs contextual, and finally the extinction of the aversive memory or fear. In humans, aversive memory formation occurs during the traumatic event(s) that initiate PTSD. In animal models of PTSD, a mild but inescapable foot shock or repeated loud tones can form aversive memories in rodents. In humans, a vet easily startled by loud noises would be experiencing cue-induced fear where as an accident victim having a panic attack from the feeling of being in the driver's seat of a car has experienced contextual fear. For rodents in the lab, cue-induce fear is produced by the repeated pairing of a loud noise with a foot shock a second later. The cue-induce fear is expressed by the rodent when it is next exposed to the noise. Contextual fear in the lab is often elicited by the pairing of a series of loud tones with a unique environment. The contextual fear is expressed when the rodent is later placed in the same unique environment minus the tones. Extinction of the aversive memory for both lab animals and humans usually involves repeated exposure and habituation to the cue or context that elicits the fear minus the original fearful stimulus until fear is no longer elicited by that cue or context. For the accident victim this would be getting in the car, then the drivers seat and then actually driving. For the mouse who was shocked after hearing a loud noise it would be repeatedly hearing that noise without experiencing foot shock. There are other factors of PTSD in humans which are important to treatment but are not necessary for the study of PTSD in the lab.

Recent advancements in the understanding of the eCB system and how it helps modulate the formation of memory and responses to stress have provided researchers with an explanation of how cannabis can act as a successful treatment agent for PTSD. Fride, et al., 2005 found that mice lacking the cannabiniod-1 (CB1) receptor, the receptor responsible for the effect cannabis has on the central nervous system (CNS), were significantly more likely to experience behavioral inhibition after repeat cue-induced stress as compared to wild type mice not lacking the CB1 receptor. Behavioral inhibition is one animal model of PTSD. These findings gave support to the theory that the cannabinoid system could effect the formation of PTSD. Further evidence comes from the location of CB1 receptors in the brain. The brain regions responsible for controlling memory formation and emotion also contain large numbers of CB1 receptors, (Joy, et al., 1999). In 2003, Costanzi, et al., also found that anandamide, the endogenous ligand for the CB1 receptor, dose-dependently inhibited stressful memory formation. Chronic stress has been found to produce cognitive impairment which is attenuated by the administration of cannabinoids. The same chronic stress was also found to produce significant downregulation (reduction in density) of CB1 receptors and decreases in amount of anandamide found in the hippocampus. The hippocampus is involved with the formation of complex contextual memories. These findings led the researchers to suggest deficiencies in CB1 receptor densities and/or production of anandamide in the hippocampus were critically involved in the development of the behavioral inflexibility and a tendency to perseverate and ruminate that are part of the symptomological profile of such stress induced neurological disorders as PTSD, (Hill, et al., 2005).

In 2002, Marsicano, et al. concluded that the endocannabinoid system was also involved with the extinction of cue-induced adverse memories. They determined this action was achieved through inhibition of GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid) by way of pre-synaptic modulation of GABA release in the amygdala via activation of CB1 receptors. They also found anandamide levels were elevated in the basolateral amygdala (BLA) during memory extinction tests. The BLA is a brain region known to be involved with extinction of cue-induced fear (Tomaz, Dickinson-Anson, & McGaugh, 1992). It was later confirmed that synaptic transmission of GABA was decreased in the BLA by activation of the CB1 receptor (Azad, et al., 2003).

Since Marsicano's study in 2002, the dependence of extinction of cue-induced fear responses on the eCB system has begun to gained general acceptance by the scientific community (Chhatwal, et al., 2005; Mikics, et al., 2006; Kamprath, et al., 2006; Pamplona, et al., 2006; Niyuhire, et al., 2007; Varvel, et al., 2007). At the same time a more complex and complete picture has started to appear. One emerging trend points to modulation of the eCB system as more effective at aiding in extinction than direct activation of the CB1 receptor via an exogenous cannabinoid like THC (Chhatwal, et al., 2005; Patel & Hillard, 2006; Varvel, et al., 2007). At best, facilitation of extinction by exogenous cannabinoids is dependent on species and breed of rodent and on the cannabinoid tested, in the studies that have been carried out so far (Pamplona, et al., 2006). In most cases though exogenous cannabinoids like THC and WIN55212-2 produce no detectable change in extinction rates of cue-induced fear at doses tested. Modulation of the eCB system via inhibition of fatty-acid amide hydrolase (FAAH) appears to be a very promising means of facilitating extinction of cue-induced fears. FAAH is the primary enzyme responsible for the metabolic breakdown of anandamide. Inhibiting FAAH increases intercellular levels of anandamide and thus enhances the ability of anandamide to activate the CB1 receptor. In this way inhibition of FAAH appears to reliably facilitate extinction (Chhatwal, et al., 2005; Patel & Hillard, 2006; Varvel, et al., 2007). One recent study even found that mice with either genetically or pharmacologically compromised FAAH not only exhibited faster extinction rates in a spatial memory task but also faster rates of acquisition/learning of the task in the first place (Varvel, et al., 2007). Chhatwal and colleagues, 2005, also found that upon subsequent foot-shock rats treated with a FAAH inhibitor were less likely to re-acquire fearful behaviors after extinction than were none-treated animals.

The situation is not so clear for contextual fears. With contextual fear it is the context/environment that induces the fear response. This is in contrast to cue-induced fear where the presentation of a stimulus such as a loud noise elicits the fear response. Two different brain structures are responsible for cue-induced and contextual fear, the amygdala and the hippocampus, respectively. Therefore it might be expected that cannabinoids would effect these two types of fear differently. Early findings suggest this is the case. In 2006, Mikics and colleagues exposed rats to short sessions of foot-shocks and 24 hours later tested their fear response to the environment in which the shocks had occurred. They found that when WIN55212-2 was administered prier to behavioral testing 24 hours after the rats received shock an increase in the expression of contextual fear was observed. A CB1 receptor antagonist blocked this effect and when administered alone reduced the intensity of contextual expressed by the rats. In other words cannabinoids made them more afraid, while blocking cannabinoids reduced fear. One implication of this finding is that exogenous cannabinoids like smoking cannabis could exacerbate the experience of preexisting contextual fears.

If only things were that simple. Later the same year, Pamplona and colleagues found that WIN55212-2 facilitated extinction of contextual fear in rats both immediately and 30 days after acquisition of contextual fear. Furthermore, the CB1 receptor antagonist rimonabant disrupted extinction both immediately and at the 30 day fear extinction sessions. It is clear the role of cannabinoids in contextual fear requires further elucidation before we can predict how cannabinoids will effect this more complex form of associative fear learning.


People suffering from PTSD often also experience affective disorders like major depression or bipolar disorder and generalized anxiety disorder. They also experience increased startle response, irritability, nightmares/terrors, and insomnia. One theory proposed by Hill and Gorzalka in 2005 suggested that the eCB system plays a major role in major depression. First they site the fact that both the genetic disruption and pharmacological blockade of the CB1 receptor resulted in a state analogous to major depression and generalized anxiety, two closely related disorders. Hill and Gorzalka also point out that the eCB system is down-regulated by chronic stress. There is also evidence that the eCB system is involved with the regulation of stress and general anxiety. In general, genetic CB1 receptor deficits or pharmacological blockade of CB1 receptors both produce anxiety and depression in rodents. Where as FAAH inhibition produces anxiolitic effects (Viveros, Marco, & File, 2005; Carrier, Patel, & Hillard, 2005). In a test of general anxiety in mice Patel and Hillard, 2006, found that the CB1 agonists WIN5212-2 and CP 55,940 (40 times more potent than THC) both produced an anxiolitic effect at the lowest dose tested. THC however was found to produce a dose-dependent anxiety-like response. One FAAH/anandamide-uptake inhibitor produced an anxiolitic effect at lower doses but had no effect at the highest dose tested while another pure FAAH inhibitor produced only a dose-dependent anxiolitic effect.

It has long been thought that the neurotransmitter serotonin plays a role in depression and anxiety. Braida et al., 2007 found that both THC and an anandamide uptake inhibitor were dose-dependently anxiolitic and that this was blocked by a serotonin 1A (5-HTA1) receptor antagonist. They also found that co-administration of a sub-threshold dose of a 5-HTA1 receptor agonist with a sub-threshold dose of either THC or the uptake inhibitor produced a synergistic anxiolitic effect together. This led them to conclude that serotonin played a modulatory role in the anxiolitic effect of both exogenous and endogenous cannabinoids.

Estrogen produces anxiolitic and anti-depressant effects. Estrogen has been shown to regulate FAAH. Hill, Karacabeyli and Gorzalka, 2007, found that estrogen induced anxiolitic properties were blocked but the administration of a CB1 receptor antagonist. Furthermore, FAAH inhibition produced much of the same anxiolitic effects as estrogen in the tasks tested. This led the researchers to conclude that FAAH inhibition might be a viable treatment option for depression and anxiety disorders in women. This is also important to PTSD since the lifetime prevalence of PTSD in women (10.4%) is a little more than twice as high as in men (5%) (Wikipedia, 1). Again, this provides further evidence that eCB modulation should be a pharmacological target of future anxiety treatments.

As stated above, issues with sleep also afflict PTSD suffers. In rats, anandamide changes sleep patterns by increasing slow-wave sleep and REM sleep at the expense of wakefulness (Murillo-Rodríguez, et al., 2001). Sleep deprivation also produces increases in slow-wave sleep and REM sleep once sleep does occur. This phenomenon is known as the rebound effect or sleep rebound. Navarro et al., 2003 found that administration of a cannabinoid antagonist before sleep rebound prevented the REM rebound and that sleep deprivation did not change CB1 receptor densities in rat brains. However sleep deprivation plus 2 hours sleep rebound increased CB1 receptor densities in rat brains. Therefore it appears that changes in the eCB system play a role in the rebound effect. Because THC and anandamide increase sleep in humans and other mammals, Murillo-Rodríguez, et al., 2003, investigated whether or not adenosine, a sleep-inducing nucleoside, might be involved in cannabinoid induced sleep. During the third hour after administration of anandamide, intracellular adenosine levels peaked in rat basal forebrains. Peak adenosine levels were accompanied by a significant increase in slow-wave sleep during the third hour after anandamide administration. Both the induction of sleep and the rise in adenosine levels were blocked by the administration of a CB1 receptor antagonist. Together, these findings led the researchers to suggest that the eCB system may be a pharmacological target of treatment for conditions that produce severe sleep disruption such as PTSD.

All these indications that the CB1 receptor and anandamide may play a role in stress and memory has led the Israeli military to start an investigation into treating PTSD in their soldiers with therapeutic cannabis. In 2004 at Jerusalem's Hebrew University, Raphael Mechoulam started studying the effects of orally administered delta9-THC, the active ingredient in cannabis, on 15 Israeli soldiers suffering from PTSD acquired during combat in the Gaza Strip. Although the study is still in progress, Mr Mechoulam stated that, as one might expect based the studies discussed above, cannabis “helps them sleep better, for one thing. These people often wake up from nightmares and experience sweating or hallucinations” (Heller, 2004).

Despite the anecdotal evidence to the contrary, most of the experimental studies that have been conducted so far indicate that by and large the administration of exogenous cannabinoids such as vaporizing therapeutic cannabis may not be the most reliable nor effective means of utilizing the eCB system to treat anxiety and aversive memories such as those formed in PTSD. For reliable and truly effective treatment of these conditions it appears that restricting eCB breakdown by way of FAAH inhibition is the best target discovered so far within the eCB system. (The other eCB targets include the two primary receptors CB1/CB2, vanilloid receptors, eCB reuptake, as well as eCB production.) To this end, Kadmus Pharmaceuticals, Inc. has started to express serious interest in marketing a new FAAH inhibitor they have developed, currently code-named KDS-4103. KDS-4103 appears to have a lot of potential from a pharmacological perspective. Even though it produces analgesic, anxiolitic, and anti-depressant effects it otherwise does not produce a classic cannabis-like effect profile and animals easily discriminate between THC and KDS-4103. All this indicates that KDS-4103 does not produce a “high” like THC and other direct CB1 agonists. KDS-4103 is orally active in mammals and fails to elicit a systemic toxicity even at repeated dosages of 1,500mg/kg body mass. All other available evidence to date also suggests a very high therapeutic margin for KDS-4103. All in all, considering that the kinds of events which usually precipitate PTSD in most individuals often also involve pain, KDS-4103 seems like it may be just about the perfect medication.

So what should all this mean to the individual? Anecdotal evidence says by and large the use of therapeutic cannabis provides a significant improvement in quality of life both for those suffering from this malady and for their family and friends. Whether or not this is taking the fullest advantage possible of the eCB system in the treatment of PTSD is yet to be seen. Mostly the use of cannabis and THC to treat PTSD in humans appears to provide symptomological relief at best. In and of itself, there is nothing wrong with symptomological relief. That's what taking aspirin for a headache, a diuretic for high blood pressure, opiates to control severe pain, or olanzapine for rapid-cycling mania is all about. We do have the potential, however, to do better than just treating symptoms of PTSD via activation of the cannabinoid receptors. With the right combination of extinction/habituation therapy and the judicious administration of a FAAH inhibitor like KDS-4103 we have the potential to actually cure many cases of PTSD. For the time being though, symptomological treatments are all we have for more generalized anxiety and depression disorders.

If an individual were to want to get the most out of using therapeutic cannabis to improve a PTSD condition they should try to use low to moderate doses with as stable a blood level as possible for general anxiety and depression symptoms. Oral cannabis produces more stable blood levels. Since peak levels will produce the most soporific effect, administration of oral cannabis right before bed should produce the most benefits for improving sleep patterns. If the goal is to use cannabis to facilitate extinction of the response to PTSD triggers than small to moderate doses of cannabis vapors should be administered shortly before planned exposure to the trigger. A series of regular extinction sessions will produce better results than a single session. If cannabis appears to make aversion, fear, or aversive memories worse then the dosage should be lowered. If feelings of fear do not improve with lower dose then discontinue use of cannabis as fear-extinction aide.

In light of all evidence currently available, it is striking that the FDA refuses to investigate cannabinoids for the treatment of anxiety disorders like PTSD yet they have approved studies of MDMA, the club drug Ecstasy, for the treatment of PTSD (Doblin, 2002). Even if you do not accept cannabis as the answer itself, it should be hard to accept that by and large we still have not found effective and reliable ways to utilize the eCB system in modern western medicine. After all, the most potent (meaning it takes the least amount to produce a threshold effect) substance know to humans is not LSD as many still assume but is instead a derivative of fentanyl, know as Carfentanil. The threshold dosages for LSD and Carfentanil are 20-30µg (micrograms) and 1µg, respectively (Wikipedia, 2 & 3). This makes Carfentanil 10,000 times more potent than morphine, 100 times more potent than fentanyl, and 20-30 times more potent than LSD. At least up until 2005 and unlike LSD, Carfentanil was(is?) regulated as a Schedule II substance in the US (Erowid). For those that do not know, this means that despite perceived extreme dangers from use or abuse of this drug it is still assumed to have medical value. With the lives and well being of so many veterans AND private citizens at stake, those in the scientific community and police makers alike cannot afford to miss the wake up call. Even a child should be able to see the hypocrisy evident in the relative policies concerning cannabinoids and opiates. It is time to fix this appalling imbalance in our policies concerning the pharmacopia or else be the laughing stock of future generations.

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[Morphote]

Damn I just had another dream about getting high. It's amazing how the feeling and experience are exactly the same (except I can't smell or taste it). You smoke, then you wait for the THC to take effect, then you feel great. When I woke up I was in the middle of deciding what I wanted to watch on TV. This bud had large calyxes and was not seeded. I was smoking out of a small glass bowl. I miss the experience and effect of smoking, as reflected by my dreams. Yet again, here I am exhausted but wide awake in the middle of the night. Sucks.

M.

 

[soil margin]

Man that's awesome, I never get to dream about getting high.

 

[mad librettist]

took a cutting of artemesia vulgaris to grow out, gonna make tea and or smoke it for purported vivid dreaming

 

[Anti]

I've been on a dry spell recently (shut down, moved, now waiting for harvest) and I have a helluva time getting to sleep at all.

I rarely remember dreams when smoking regularly, though I am told that I sometimes talk in my sleep.

One way to increase the frequency of your lucid dreams is to make a habit of doing "state checks" while awake. Throughout your waking day, whenever it occurs to you, check to see if you're dreaming. You can do this by looking at a clock, then away, then back. (Clocks will tend to change when you look away) You could also grab a book and try reading a paragraph and seeing if it changes when you look away. You can also flip light switches on and off.

If you make a habit of doing these things while awake, you are bound to do so while dreaming.

On a related note....

I've had 3 different women tell me that I had sex with them (and talked and had my eyes open) while I was asleep. There may have been more, but I know about those three because they talked to me about it in the morning and I had no recollection.

Curious if anyone else has had this "experience."

 

[nattynattygurrl]

Originally posted by Anti: I've had 3 different women tell me that I had sex with them (and talked and had my eyes open) while I was asleep. There may have been more, but I know about those three because they talked to me about it in the morning and I had no recollection.

Curious if anyone else has had this "experience."

Wow!! That is crazy Anti.
I talk in my sleep, or I used too...Man, I hope I don't anymore; I could be revealing all of my secrets unknowingly!! lol.

I have been having some weird dreams the past week or so though, and remembering them...

So, I'm gonna go ahead and blame this thread, and by extension, all of you;
b/c I wasn't dreaming, (or at least wasn't remembering them), at all, until this thread started!!
*looks around suspiciously*

 

[mad librettist]

yeah, since visiting this thread I've been dreaming more too. Had a very vivd dream involving a parking spot. I still have a snapshot of a scene in my mind, and if I could draw, I could draw it.

 

[Anti]

One of the biggest triggers to becoming lucid for me is that things happen in dreams that never happen in real life. Ninjas chasing me? Probably a dream.

 

[nattynattygurrl]

yeah, since visiting this thread I've been dreaming more too.
Had a very vivd dream involving a parking spot. I still have a snapshot of a scene in my mind, and if I could draw, I could draw it.

That's strange...
I have been smoking a less than usual lately, as supplies are running extremely low...
I would hope, and presume that's not the case with you though, Mad Librettist.

Hmm, I wonder if that's the reason I'm dreaming more; or that I'm just remembering them;
OR if it has something to do with this thread, just making me to be more aware of my dreams?
Each dream has involved a different ex-bf, (nonsexual); it was like time travel, since some of these guys I haven't thought about in at least a decade...
Very odd and extremely vivid dreams...

 

[Anti]

I think the thread has something to do with it. I know that whenever I talk to someone about lucid dreaming, I almost always have a lucid dream within a few days of that conversation.

It goes back to what I was saying before. What you do in your waking life is likely to show up in your dreaming life. The more you think about a subject, the more likely that subject is to appear in your dreams.

So... go have lucid dreams people. Flying is fucking awesome!

 

[headband 707]

Oh yea,

One thing I notice very strongly is I am much more 'awake' and 'clear headed' when I wake up after taking sleeping meds. I assume this is because I am better able to enter/use REM sleep stage while sleeping ...

The trouble with sleeping pills, over-the-counter sleep aids, and medications

The idea of a pill that can instantly solve your sleep problems is very appealing. Unfortunately, sleep medications don't cure the underlying cause of the insomnia, and in fact can often make the problem worse in the long run. Concerns about the use of both over-the-counter (OTC) and prescription sleep medications include:

• Side effects. Side effects can be severe and include prolonged drowsiness the next day, confusion, forgetfulness and dry mouth.
• Drug tolerance. You may have to take more and more of the sleep aid for it to work, which in turn can lead to more side effects.
• Drug dependence. You may come to rely on the medication to sleep, and will be unable to sleep or have even worse sleep without it.
• Withdrawal symptoms. If you stop the medication abruptly, you may have withdrawal symptoms, such as nausea, sweating and shaking.
• Drug interactions. If you are taking other medications, sleeping medications can interact with them. This can worsen side effects and be dangerous, especially with medications such as prescription painkillers and other sedatives.
• Rebound insomnia. If you need to stop the medication, sometimes the insomnia can become even worse than before.
• Masking an underlying problem. There may be an underlying medical or mental disorder, or even a sleep disorder, that if treated would provide more relief from insomnia.

Side effects of sleep medications and sleeping pills

All prescription sleeping pills have side effects, which can vary depending on the specific drug, the dosage and how long the drug lasts in your system. Check with your healthcare professional about any concerns you have. Common side effects can include headache, muscle aches, constipation, dry mouth, daytime sleepiness, trouble concentrating, dizziness, unsteadiness and rebound insomnia.

 

[Dislexus]

LOL I smoke like an locamotive and I had a dumbass dream last night that for some reason I can remember today.

It was my first day at a new job, but it was like all the tech and internet start-ups that I had worked for in the past had all merged into one giant cubicle farm inside of a bigbox office complex.

Kept trying to figure out their business model exactly... kept running into familiar faces... Faces that I thought I totally forgot.. people I trained/worked with and never retained their names... dozens of nearly-anonymous faces from the past.

It was actually a mellow positive dream.. ran into some old friends lol.

These are the dreams I usually just forget.. I know I have 'em, I just don't care to remember them..

 

[h^2 O]

I haven't smoked in like a week. Last night I had a really messed up dream...I was a newspaper reporter tracking down this serial killer pretending to be a vampire who uses a plane...was following him to different airports. I'd get to the airport and everybody would be all mutilated and torn apart. This goes on for a while until I track him down in Atlanta or something...I walk up to the airport and hear screams and breaking glass. When I get into the terminal I see body parts and blood everywhere. I run into the bathroom and start puking everywhere. I look into the mirror and see a stream of blood pouring into the urinal behind me...but there's nobody in the mirror. That's when it hit me - vampires don't cast reflections!!!! It was a real vampire!!!! He was pissing!!! Then I woke up.

 

[Dislexus]

vampire peeing blood lol hilarious

 

[Morphote]

Last night I had a dream about my old best friend's older sister. Nothing ever happened between us in reality but I know at times we both thought about it. The dream was highly sexual and very enjoyable. I have not had such a great dream in years. Oddly enough I never think about her. I won't forget kissing her, though. I waited decades for that, and the experience felt real even though it was only a dream. It seems since I stopped smoking my brain has gone deep into my past to resurrect old faces and feelings. It is quite the emotional rollercoaster, one which is both exciting and scary.

M.

 

[dankdeezz]

It is more or less impossible to enter R.E.M (rapid eye movement ) sleep under intoxication of any substance. A doctor friend of mine, says that, 'the biggest problem to the nations mental health is the loss of a good nights R.E.M sleep' and if people slept properly he would'nt have to dish out half as many pills. He won't need to dish the pills to this community! However R.E.M sleep sorts your mind out and 1 hour is worth 3 - 4 hours slow wave sleep. IF YOU ARE TIRED ALL THE TIME, IT'S NOT THE DOPE, JUST A LACK OF R.E.M!!!!!

 

[wiesseweed]

IF YOU ARE TIRED ALL THE TIME, IT'S NOT THE DOPE, JUST A LACK OF R.E.M!!!!!

+1

 

[HempHut]

Oh, definitely. Always would notice the enhanced dreams when hitting a dry spell and the lack of dreams while tokin' everyday. Used to discuss this with buddies when we would go dry, and it was always, "Holy shit the dreams -- you too?"

I had this theory that being stoned was having a similar effect to dreaming -- it was like dreaming while being awake, so when you did sleep your dreams weren't as necessary to your psyche. Therefore, you either dreamed less or the dreams were less potent, so you didn't tend to remember them. Your thoughts tend to flow and connect up incongruent stuff when high, so it always seemed similar to the way your brain does dreaming with the wacky connections and bizarre scenarios.

Likely just the effect of weed on memory, but it's an interesting topic. Would be great if somebody did a scientific sleep/dream study on stoners to see what's actually going on.