Indica is diluting the sacred herb

[THC123]

sativas and indicas have certain smells ? hmm i thought it could smell like anything

sativas generally smell herbier , fresher then indicas some smell hazy it is a very distinct smell

What Would Jesus Smoke?

I bet he preferred sativas... Buddha too. Yup.

jeebus never existed

 

[budbasket]

^ true true, at least around in parts all the people care about is the
stink and some sativas just don't compare to the millions of skunks and kush hybrids. But if you got sometime special it doesn't matter, ime, people will keep coming back.

Ive only had 2 different 80/20s sativas to grow for several years now and am becoming extremely tired of the same thing day after day, night after night. I would love to have a kick ass indica, perhaps an orange variety, that just puts me deep in the couch.

As for now, I will remain with variety's of hash, vaping, cooking, and smoking. Enjoy everyone-basket

 

[enter sandman]

if you have nothing upstairs...then you would probably favor Indica

 

[Hammerhead]

Calling people stupid because they prefer Indicas is just Ignorant.

 

[whateverman]

There is so much we still don't know about this plant. What makes a good and interesting high goes far beyond the sativa-indica divide.

I suspect in thirty years, if I'm still around to see it, we'll know much more about this plant at the molecular level. Then we'll have some real answers.

 

[Hammerhead]

I would like to add that many can not smoke sativas because of there up and racy highs. This induces Panic attacks. I can not smoke them for this reason. Anything I grow has to be Indica dom. I and many other dont have a choice.

 

[h^2 O]

indica is the sacred herb

 

[SOTF420]

It's ALL the sacred herb.

Different tokes for different folks!

 

[Zowie]

I honestly never knew the difference until I started going to dispensaries. Before that I just smoked whatever I smoked.. but I gotta agree once I knew whether I was getting ind/sat I noticed I liked the sativa highs better but they have high tolerance. Indicas hit hard everytime and don't build up tolerances but turns into that 'loser' type of daily high.. I felt sativas I kinda had more energy to draw and create and maintain interest in work and happiness, indicas to me is more like the definition of 'a drug' where it becomes an event when you do it.. like, save half the day, get drinks and lock the door.. we're doing "drugs".

I kinda like sativas in that I think people are generally more social and nicer.. which is what I think the article is getting at.. I just wish I had a sativa with the taste/high of good ol' indicas.

(I grew up in LA so everything was just called 'chronic'.. I remember this was before dr. dre's album) But i noticed how we all went from fun happy kids smokin 'grass' to lethargic lazy hoods smokin that 'chron.

So... maybe this article has some truth to it..........

 

[enter sandman]

I would like to add that many can not smoke sativas because of there up and racy highs. This induces Panic attacks. I can not smoke them for this reason. Anything I grow has to be Indica dom. I and many other dont have a choice.

dear god, I really feel for you then...and many others

 

[Harry Gypsna]

horses for courses

 

[Godless]

Well its pretty simple actually. The strains aren't gone. Just harder to find. I mentioned Deep Chunk already. I still have Highland Oaxaca Gold as well as a 70's era hawaiian. There are still landrace strains available in several different parts of the world. You'd be surprised how many are still around, and are still quite potent despite genetic bottle necking from small amounts of growers still keeping the strains alive. They certainly haven't improved the strains with such limited selection, but they exist.

All I can tell you is there are numerous people out there with numerous different pure strains dating to the 60s and 70s. Quite simply they still hold their own weight against modern strains. The only people who disagree are the people who have never grown them.

There is nothing that happened in the past 30 years that hasn't happened in thailand, india, pakistan, afghanistan, etc for hundreds of years. Its a naive idea that in 30 years we turned hemp into haze. There have been drug cultivars for hundreds of years, and there has been fiber producing strains for hundreds of years. They just weren't always so distinctly separated in the market the way they are now.

For instance just look up some of the grows done from seeds brought back by soldiers in afghanistan. They are the same seeds and genes that have grown there for centuries. Surely you don't believe Afghanistans pot seeds are based on modern dutch hybrids? Nothing markedly different has happened to the grow scene there in the past hundred years, much less the past 30 years, yet the seeds they grow produce dank weed. Why is that if dank weed was only invented in the past 30 years by seed banks?

The simple answer is it wasn't, and you are misinformed and overly opinionated.

Great post (as I have come to expect from you) and I think you hit on the sore spot that might be an underlying motivation for this thread. There have been a few comments along the lines of: "stop yer crying sativa lovers - grow yer own - plenty of landrace sativas are available. "

I agree that sativa lovers have a responsibility to grow their own, but I disagree that there is wide availability of landrace sativas. While there are a handful of lucky bastards (affectionately intended), such as yourself Motaco, that have managed to acquire real landrace genetics, acquiring those awesome plants that we all see and drool over in threads like your RUST thread is just a distant dream for most of us who are not connected and never will be in the current legal environment.

Even in pseudo-legal CA, it is extremely rare to see real sativas in dispensaries. My thread on the subject of dispensary "sativas:" https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=216468

The only other route for us unconnected sativa lovers is the commercial seed market. Unfortunately, economics is also the enemy of sativa to the seed seller as well. I adore Ace/Cannabiogen, and they obviously have some desirable landrace sativas that they are generously willing to spread, but even they aren't offering their Oaxacan as an IBL (for example). I can't blame them for it because it would be a poor move for long term economic success in the seed selling business.

Beyond Ace and a few others with much dubious past history, what else is there? All of the rest basically stem from three unselected males from an old polyhybrid right? All that is available today are a plethora of hybrids from those 3 haze males. I have always had a hope in my heart that some hippy in the hills is still growing some haze precursor strain, but I'd bet my last dollar that he has been growing purple candy weed to vend to dispensaries for the last decade.

And those precursor strains are basically lost to the vast majority of us personal growers. And that fucking pisses me off righteously. Of course, I am not mad at indica or indica lovers. I am somewhat mad at uneducated consumers who judge the weed they buy based on commercial qualities that shouldn't mean fuckall to the consumer - why does it matter that your buds are fat and dense? That should only matter to the people making money off it - not the consumer. "ooh! Look at how commercially viable this bud is" LOL.

But really, it is not the consumer's fault either. The only rational place for me to direct my anger is at the prohibitionists that have created and dictated the parameters of the commercial impact to our beloved plant.

 

[Hammerhead]

CBG has some outstanding Sativa strains.

 

[Vitamin THC]

personally i love a strong sativa it reminds me of when i first started smoking. but there is a need for indica for medical reasons. fuck it i love them both but it is getting really hard to find a sativa at least it is here on the east coast with no medical marijuana.

 

[h^2 O]

in the end there will be a war between the indica and sativa supporters...like The Stand, but with bongs. When I think pure sativa I think of a 15 minute high. When I think of pure sativa I think of buying a few branches of shitty jungle bud from some indigenous dude in a faraway land where I can't find real bud (indica). Weed is supposed to make you chill, sleepy, relaxed and hungry, not panicked and tunnel visioned for 15 minutes followed by a headache

 

[Madjag]

A.C.E. Seeds and Cannabiogen for landrace sativas....

 

[OKD]

I have gotten more interested in sativas lately. They are getting hard to find so I figured I better grow some!!!

 

[Madjag]

in the end there will be a war between the indica and sativa supporters...like The Stand, but with bongs. When I think pure sativa I think of a 15 minute high. When I think of pure sativa I think of buying a few branches of shitty jungle bud from some indigenous dude in a faraway land where I can't find real bud (indica). Weed is supposed to make you chill, sleepy, relaxed and hungry, not panicked and tunnel visioned for 15 minutes followed by a headache

Hahahaha...I know you're just waiting to see who defends the Sativa and how they defend it.

Here I go:
If your experience of Sativa has been equal to your description above, well, then, I'm sorry you've missed out. Like Indica, there are many strains that are at both ends of the spectrum for the given variety; weak and strong, sleepy and wakeful, panic-style and totally zen-peaceful, hungry and content, dry-mouthed and chill buzz lip. So many old-school Mexican varieties offer an amazing high just the opposite of what you described, Yep.

The Sativas that I've found uplifting, motivating, and internally-peaceful, good for social situations or just exploring the world on your own, are peaceful without paranoia or panic. There are some Sats that definitely fit your profile, though, just as there are some great couchlock Indicas that make people fall down, head to bed, and go quiet. Other Indies just mellow one and make the moment smooth.

In the 70's when certain Colombian strains hit the scene, if you hit them you could count on going down, getting sleepy and stoned out. You wouldn't be driving a tractor or going to work, right? Thai weed on the other hand did send some folks trippin' and crying. It was way too psychoactive for those who had never smoked some intense Sativa.

I use both and I choose wisely knowing the difference. Why smoke psychedelic herb when you might get pulled over in traffic and start laughing in a cop's face? Similarly, why choose heavy Indica for a drive when you might have to talk to a cop while you're nodding out. In both cases a person should have chosen the herb that allows them to function best under the particular circumstance they're intending.

 

[Iffy]

Really nice discussion here...but...De gustibus non est disputandum!

sometimes I like sativas.........sometimes I like hybrids.......sometimes indica.......

The thread should have ended after this post! The word succinct springs to mind.

 

[lost in a sea]

your right this thread should have been closed at some point..

the central over simplified paranoia of indica diluting sativa lines is unfounded..