Any 1.5+ grams per Watt grows????

[redbudduckfoot]

i seem to remember that in that cris cross setup of heaths the lights were not always on. the middle light was always on, while one leg of the "X" was on for the first six hrs and the other leg was on for the last six hrs. therefore, each plant was flowered using (2)300w(6hrs of 600), plus 600w/2 plants = (2x300)+(600/2) or 900 watts per plant. just like if you throw 2 plants under 1000w, you do 1000/2. you wouldnt say that both plants used 1000w, like agent smith is tryin to say with the middle light in heaths grows.

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

So what would you guys suggest for a grower who needs to remain at or under their plant count? I have three recs now so I am limited to a total of 18 plants that are over one foot tall or wide.

I am thinking I will veg six plants in another room for five weeks and then move them to flower with a total of twelve plants flowering at a time. I have been thinking of doing four 3' x 2-1/2' ebb and flow tables with three plants on each table and either 600 or 1000 horizontal watts above each table.

 

[DHF]

We call it runs under yer belt Bud-Boy , but you`re spot on when dialage occurs.......Hit`s yas right between the eyes and yas wonder why it`s been so hard up until now......

Aerohead....since you`re multi-strainin over there , notice the different bud/nug/cola structure of said plants , and you`ll plainly see that the CM`s look different from the other nugz unaffected by the close proximity to the bare bulbs if I hadta guess......but...

The more hybridized they are toward the sativa side of things will foxtail cola`s , but not necessarily , due to so many "poly"-hybrids that are around after everyone crossing EVERYTHING for so many yrs ........

Some hybrids never quit spittin new calyxe`s and pistils , and that`s where fox-tailing comes from IME genetic -wise from what I`ve run that`s been so generously gifted to me by some serious folks doin this for many many yrs...and then .....

There`s some that normally won`t send out new shoots and snow white pistils during end of cycle in a flat garden under horizontal air-cooled reflectors , but foxtail like a mofo with bare bulbs , so ......

Go figure , since environment plays such an important part in all characteristics of plant growth regardless of vertical bare bulbs or flat grows......

MC.....Bro......Maybe I`m misunderstandin yas , but hopefully you`re not tellin me per legal scrip/rec that yas can only have 18 plants 1' tall and wide come harvey for your end result ?.....

How would yas clean out the flarf underneath and open up the plants sideways for max lumen absorption till end of cycle.....I mean.....well.....you know.....but....

To approach the 1.5 gpw with those constraints seem all but un-doable without increased plant numbers , or the ability to veg for long enoughta grow bigger plants for positive returns......

I calculate 3325 watts needed to perform for yas in that amount of sq ftg , so 1KW`s would prolly be better suited for each table , but heat gain and environmental control are paramount in importance to be dialed and handled....and then you`re only talkin bout runnin 12 plants at a time.....seems a waste.......Good luck Bro.....

Holler if I can help.....DHF........

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

Thanks DHF, I was unclear. In Oregon you can have 6 plants per script and a "plant" is anything over 12" tall or wide or if it is flowering. It can be as big as you can grow it.

 

[DHF]

Then yas gotta dial how yas can bloom 18 plants in said sq ftg so each 1 touches the other by end of stretch , but won`t choke the other 1 beside it out for competition in light and environment for optimum performance......

You can hack all the laterals ta accomodate the width , but getting as much height out of the plants is what will dictate the yields/final numbers come choptime.....IOW...Strain dependendent , don`t top your plants....btw....

Fuck 12 in flower unless I`m readin yas wrong........Veg 18 and Flower 18 at all times....

Got Gro-Bro`s in Oregon that do what you`re talkin bout......if yas got a separate area for clones , mom`s , pre-veggers.....but...

That`s the gray area...."actual numbers"...

Peace...DHF........

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

Seemed to be hijacking, will take it elsewhere

 

[~Shhh~]

Nice debates in this thread... I seem to remember Bramski, SoQuick and Krusty (amongst others) hash this out back in 04' or maybe 05' that's gpw vs grow style that is.... as krusty was growing tree's and SoQuick essentially SOG there was a good debate and lots of solid info and examples in that thread... think it may have got deleted as I searched SoQuick's old posts and nothing pertaining to that discussion was found.

DHF is right essentially as clones can always be purchased which removes the need to veg or have watts/space wasted vegging them. Krusty I think used to take clones off his plants 2 weeks into bloom, then root em and had em in a pre-veg area prior to going into the lava rock filled 5 gal buckets. When debating SoQuick I think this was a big factor to his argument - the need for separate space and big watts for many clones. SoQuick then done a thread like 200 clones in 3 weeks or something, the title alludes me.... showing how little space and watts you can do this with..... was a viciously contested debate (always was with krusty invloved ) yet thoroughly educating argument pity it seems to be lost to t'internet.... I wanted to drop a link of it in this thread as it seemed very relevant...

on another note gotta try one of those mini vert systems heath designed asap for sheezy!

btw- icmag needs it's own version of Acry4help

 

[HushemFlupskluk]

Heath Robinson apearantly made it over 1,5 GPW, but not Marlo...

He got it nearly over 0,5 GPW which is like 3x less then that 1,5 GPW. What hero comes up with his name in the 1,5 GPW scorelist? That is just misplaced i.m.o. A nice looking setup is something else then a high yielding setup brothers. Just saying..

Also I like to add this; high yielders are not on the forums to learn stuff. They know how to do it and keep it a secret.

Grownewbs hang around rite here to fail to learn. 1,5 GPW results can rarelly be read in threads here because of this.

 

[DHF]

Hushem....this thread`s several month`s old , and I`ve never seen Marlo say anything about his setup pulling 1.5 gpw`s so where`d this come from.....and to quote you.......I`m just sayin....

Shhh.....Killer blast from the past bout the "Krusty Wars" back in the day......He did NOT like SoQuick`s killer flat setups gettin as much attention as his tree grows with bare bulbs hangin.......

SoQuick killed it with increased plant numbers back in the day , and was 1 of the first proponents of "monocropping" for dialed returns and canopy management.......

I look back and laugh my ass off bout all the flamin and bans from damn near every weedsite there was at the time....Krusty was a piece of work , and hey....I loved Acry4help.....

That was a sick twisted fuck and 1 helluva a grower......Him and Noone grew some big plants in coco/hydroton "chow mix" with timed feeds and drove Krusty crazy as well cuz it wasn`t the "Krusty "way........

It`s been my experience that the more smaller pre-vegged plants you can pack in a dialed room above , below , and side by side without em competing for light and environment with bare bulbs hanging will give the best bottom line returns time after time per run , per month , per yr......

Heath`s done well over 2 gpw`s , but I never got over 1.5 before shutdown and retirement.....but I would have given time....guaranteed......sky`s the limit with vertical bare bulbs and new hybrid setups poppin up all the time.....

Make me proud.....

Ya`ll take care....DHF...........

 

[HushemFlupskluk]

Google Heath Robinson or do a search for him on IC, he did that SEVERAL times and is somewhat of a pot (folk) hero around here, or at least to me he is a hero. Check out Bobble's Aerohead's, Whodare and Marlo's grow journals you'll see peeps getting that OR pretty damn close to it.

Grown on bro!

Here was Marlo mentioned. I couldn't get a final result of the others mentioned beside Heath. But Marlo never even came close. It was quoted from page 1 btw.

 

[DHF]

Hushem....I still don`t understand the hard on for Marlo , since that quote/post from Mrktwiz was a general broadstroke relating to several growers in the vert forum that were making strides to approach the 1 gpw mark and then some......

There are MANY growbro`s I have on invite only sites that kill it with horizontal as well as vertical grows that exceed 1.5 gpw`s EVERY run as they do this shit for a living.......but ....

They don`t kiss and tell on public forums and haven`t for many many yrs......and for the record....

Marlo`s a personal grower and doesn`t run production rooms so what`s your point in singling him out.......I mean Hell.....

NOBODY here has hit 1.5 gpw except Heath and me that I know of other than Selfhemployed`s stadium with increased vegtime.....so.....

I still say sky`s the limit once my twisted kid`s forum dials their shit with increased plant numbers and 50 watts per sq ft with dialed environment......

Just trying to clear up a few things without stirring the pot so to speak.....

Peace...DHF..........

 

[HushemFlupskluk]

I still wonder why the hell mrktwiz mentioned Marlo as being a grower that runs 1,5 GPW rounds. Because that is not true. I mean, I see that 0,5 GPW flashing on the background while he means he had 1,5 GPW.

And I do not think I am being hard on Marlo. He scored his scores, not 1,5 GPW. I bet he is happy with it. I hope the best for him and his new rounds b/c he should be up there

BTW mark me when I say my next round will be damn close to that 1,5 GPW running the Northern Lights strain of Royal Queen seeds again!

 

[Anti]

Do they use commas instead of periods for decimal places in the Netherlands?

I.e. 1,5 instead of 1.5?

I'm not bagging on you, I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Hydrosun]

They do in South America and Europe I believe.

 

[bobblehead]

I still wonder why the hell mrktwiz mentioned Marlo as being a grower that runs 1,5 GPW rounds. Because that is not true. I mean, I see that 0,5 GPW flashing on the background while he means he had 1,5 GPW.

And I do not think I am being hard on Marlo. He scored his scores, not 1,5 GPW. I bet he is happy with it. I hope the best for him and his new rounds b/c he should be up there

BTW mark me when I say my next round will be damn close to that 1,5 GPW running the Northern Lights strain of Royal Queen seeds again!

MrKtwz got banned for being a big douche anyway...

 

[Anti]

They do in South America and Europe I believe.

Interesting. How would you differentiate between:

1,000,000.001 (one million and one one-thousandth)

and

1,000,000,001 (one billion and one)?

(Without the period, they'd both look like the same numbers.)

 

[bobblehead]

Interesting. How would you differentiate between:

1,000,000.001 (one million and one one-thousandth)

and

1,000,000,001 (one billion and one)?

(Without the period, they'd both look like the same numbers.)

lmao... not if that's what you're used to. They probably think it's weird to have a decimal place where they have a comma.

Some languages read and write from right to left...

 

[dagnabit]

i have found GPW per 60 days to be the more accurate measurement.

just GPW (as DHF pointed out) is no measurement of efficiency as it has an open parameter.


soooo
NGD(net grams dry)
TGW(total growing wattage)


NGD/TGW=GPW

how many grams per watt per 60 days?

realizing some strains take longer some shorter 60 days seems to be the best avg?

maybe my mind is "SOGcentric" though.

 

[Anti]

lmao... not if that's what you're used to. They probably think it's weird to have a decimal place where they have a comma.

I hear you. Like I said, I'm not bagging on anybody.

But it seems to me that:

1,234,567 could either be:

one million two hundred thirty four thousand five hundred sixty seven

or it could be one thousand two hundred thirty four and five hundred sixty seven thousandths.

Which would be a BIG difference.

How do you know which is which?

Some languages read and write from right to left...

Yes, I know.

I'm asking because I want to understand it. I'm a curious type.

 

[Anti]

i have found GPW per 60 days to be the more accurate measurement.

just GPW (as DHF pointed out) is no measurement of efficiency as it has an open parameter.


soooo
NGD(net grams dry)
TGW(total growing wattage)


NGD/TGW=GPW

how many grams per watt per 60 days?

realizing some strains take longer some shorter 60 days seems to be the best avg?

maybe my mind is "SOGcentric" though.

I'm not sure you'd really need to use a 60 day baseline.

Why not just take total wattage (including fans, a/c, dehumidifiers, etc.) divided by total TIME (including veg time)?

Because ultimately, you're spending money on the veg time, so it should be calculated into your yield per watt. That way you can compare someone who's doing a large tree grow where they veg for 2-3+ months and someone who's doing a skip-the-veg SOG grow and actually see which setup is the most efficient?