Anybody here been through asset forfeiture?

[Yes4Prop215]

good to know strainhunter.....yeah definately got to be distant to the actual landowner or property owner...no phone calls, photographed, etc....gotta take that counter surveillance seriously...i fucking hate phones. the other person would have to be a rock under questioning..."i had no idea he was gonna grow he told me he was using it for offroading and hunting" blah blah blah....


im almost tempted to not even put land in my name...just find owner carry, write the down payment off as business expense..and blow that out until i deem right time to back out...

 

[mrpotatohead]

Lawn maintenance companies are a great way to hide a decent amount of income. If you can, buy some low-end rental properties like duplexes or small apartment buildings and rent to mexicans who ONLY pay cash anyway and slip an extra 10k a month into those accounts and steadily buy more rental property. I knew a guy (friend of the family) that moved "imported goods" from Columbia from the mid 1970's until he died in 2005 and used rental property and a business that did maintenance for rental real estate like painting, cutting grass, carpet cleaning, ect and before you know it, you have 4-5 different businesses under the umbrella of a trust or even just incorporate all of them separately and you could hide a TON of cash. Rental real estate is never a bad investment, even in a bad market.

 

[whateverman]

No need to do it that way.

Put your land in a trust w/ another person on the name of the trust.
That person should not be related (such as a brother, wife etc) to you.

They cannot take the land from you if the other person on the trust cannot be brought in connection with the grow.

Walk me through this, strainhunter, (if you don't mind.) Because to my mind this doesn't seem rational. Now what you're doing is getting Feds to dig dirt on your family members, who will also have to justify where they got [XYZ tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars] with specifics. It's not like the money invested in the house just goes away and does not have to be accounted for.

If the feds know you're using a house as a grow house, they will run through every single penny that family member co-owner (or owner) has ever made, and something won't jell. It almost never does in these cases, even if your family member is wealthy, as the burden of proof is on you (the accused,) to justify your money to the penny.

For the rest of your advice, strainhunter, I agree generally with your principles (see a CPA, layer it out, etc) but in my humble opinion not much of the specifics will work out in practical application. (At least as I understood it, maybe it's my reading comprehension.)


I know of another man who ran his grow money through a laundry mat and a car cleaning service. Cash business was his claim. He kept clean receipts.The feds said fuck off with that shit, I want all receipts, and we're going to follow and investigate those receipts all the way down the line (he really pissed them off). He'd doing federal time right now and all his shit is gone. It is my understanding that the burden of proof is on you to justify every little penny, and that this is incredibly hard to do in practical application. Cash businesses work great as a front to keep eyes away, but once they're sniffing, I think it may be surprising to some how little a fuck a judge gives about successful your car cleaning shop. That is just based on my very limited experience with this stuff.

 

[Strainhunter]

Walk me through this, strainhunter, (if you don't mind.) Because to my mind this doesn't seem rational. Now what you're doing is getting Feds to dig dirt on your family members, who will also have to justify where they got [XYZ tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars] with specifics. It's not like the money invested in the house just goes away and does not have to be accounted for.

If the feds know you're using a house as a grow house, they will run through every single penny that family member co-owner (or owner) has ever made, and something won't jell. It almost never does in these cases, even if your family member is wealthy, as the burden of proof is on you (the accused,) to justify your money to the penny.

..........

I already referred to your question in my previous post:

Put your land in a trust w/ another person on the name of the trust.
That person should not be related (such as a brother, wife etc) to you.
EDIT: "Should not" does not mean "can not". However using a closely related person would defeat the purpose of such trust fund hence "should not".

They cannot take the land from you if the other person on the trust cannot be brought in connection with the grow.

Attorneys set up special trust funds just for the above purpose.

The "above purpose" does not include circumventing federal banking laws & neither supporting illegal activities & neither can we discuss those here.
How YOU use such set up trust fund though is up to you.
We just can't talk about that on here.
Neither would I do so by PM.

 

[paladin420]

I set up an LLC for my caregiver/consulting business. A good laywer already has a Better accountant. IME

 

[BigDawg]

Dangerous.^

and yes you will need all receipts. If you have a laundromat/car wash, your water/electric bills have to match all the business you claim you are getting. If you have a fruit stand, bar or lawn business, etc.. you best have receipts for everything (what you purchase and the products/services you sold). You aren't going to hide more than 30-50k a year in one of those business' anyway. Your cash flow has to blend in with competitors as well. Don't forget your security cameras . Clear the tapes/hard drive weekly or sooner as long as their isn't any incidents with customers at the store, of course. (robbing/murders etc).

Someone said you can use business checks to pay your grow house electric bill? I would advise against this. Not wise to have any history between the grow and business.

It's best to not buy anything large until you have a solid source of income where you can prove you bought it. In the event that you do get busted (growing/selling), and if your business receipts match up, then they most likely won't seize anything if you prove you bought stuff with the money you made through your legit business. Now if your nice house is paid off and the grow was there (dumb), or you were hauling weight in your nice car (dumb) then they will most likely take it.

Doesn't matter whose name your stuff is in, if you get busted growing, selling, and/or money laundering, then they will take it if a substantial amount is paid off on it and any benefit to them. If you can't show proof of how it was bought, chances are the person whose name it's in can't either.

I recommend leasing stuff until you get everything settled. It takes time to work your way up. If you do buy a boat, atv, etc (in full)... keep it at someone else house or somewhere. Don't pay your house/land off in full. If you live there don't keep nice cars and stuff there unless you can show proof of where the money came from to make the purchases. If you grow there, I wouldn't keep anything real nice there unless you can show proof. In my opinion it's not wise to live where you grow anyways. Don't use your nice car to transport either.

 

[Vash]

Go balls to the wall, use all your cash to stack gold/silver (which can be bought in cash and hidden really easily) and wait for the US economy to fail (a few years at most), then buy anything you want afterwards

 

[Strainhunter]

Dangerous.^

Of course it is dangerous.
But that's because of "user error" & not because of how the law is designed. People tend to start slacking (drop their guards) once they feel secure.
And any "shared" trust is only as good as the people directly involved in it.

and yes you will need all receipts. If you have a laundromat/car wash, your water/electric bills have to match all the business you claim you are getting. If you have a fruit stand, bar or lawn business, etc.. you best have receipts for everything (what you purchase and the products/services you sold). You aren't going to hide more than 30-50k a year in one of those business' anyway.

No not exactly.
I am not going to/cannot write a handbook here on "How it's done" but there are plenty attorneys advising you of how it can be done.

And yeah of course one is not going to hide a few hundred 100k/year with a single fruit stand.
But "a few hundred 100k" wasn't OP's question in first place.

His question was:

"How thorough are they, generally? Are they going after 1K televisions, or 40,000 dollar trucks, or all of it?"

Your cash flow has to blend in with competitors as well. Don't forget your security cameras . Clear the tapes/hard drive weekly or sooner as long as their isn't any incidents with customers at the store, of course. (robbing/murders etc).

Someone said you can use business checks to pay your grow house electric bill? I would advise against this. Not wise to have any history between the grow and business.

That was me. I don't feel offended if my name is being called lol
Like I stated before the whole "sharing a trust" structure normally is a very solid one, however if they fail they do so due to "user error" (people dropping their guard).

And paying your electric (grow) bill with a business check is a very common procedure and in many states in the US of A and the only way not to raise a red flag. (unless you have a 6,000sq ft house where you would be able to hide a $1,000 monthly electric bill lol)

It's best to not buy anything large until you have a solid source of income where you can prove you bought it. In the event that you do get busted (growing/selling), and if your business receipts match up, then they most likely won't seize anything if you prove you bought stuff with the money you made through your legit business. Now if your nice house is paid off and the grow was there (dumb), or you were hauling weight in your nice car (dumb) then they will most likely take it.

Doesn't matter whose name your stuff is in, if you get busted growing, selling, and/or money laundering, then they will take it if a substantial amount is paid off on it and any benefit to them. If you can't show proof of how it was bought, chances are the person whose name it's in can't either.

I recommend leasing stuff until you get everything settled. It takes time to work your way up. If you do buy a boat, atv, etc (in full)... keep it at someone else house or somewhere. Don't pay your house/land off in full. If you live there don't keep nice cars and stuff there unless you can show proof of where the money came from to make the purchases. If you grow there, I wouldn't keep anything real nice there unless you can show proof. In my opinion it's not wise to live where you grow anyways. Don't use your nice car to transport either.

Well long story short a trust designed for that purpose does work.
As already stated before it only is as good as the people involved in it are.
You don't just go and consult an attorney, open a trust and dump 5k/month in there.



But as I already stated as well we cannot use this forum for writing a handbook on illegal activities.



When I lived in the US of A...I never did anything illegal. I never got busted, neither.

But I did get audited, twice.

I did just fine though. I guess that's why I can sit on an island now growing pot unlike others who are doing time somewhere else instead...

Don't steal power, pay your bills on time and ESPECIALLY be smart about what you are doing.

If you got money to hide due to growing...you should be smart enough about knowing what to do/how to do it or how to get the "know how" on the above.

 

[BigDawg]

i hear ya strain..


seems dangerous to open an LLC in med states in reply to paladin. catch-22 situation if you ask me.

 

[Strainhunter]

i hear ya strain..


seems dangerous to open an LLC in med states in reply to paladin. catch-22 situation if you ask me.

Yeah LLC's always are bad for real!

 

[paladin420]

This all is a catch 22. My llc is for consulting and construction. Not for vending Medicine.

You can make money growin cannibis????? Sum-Bitch

 

[mrpotatohead]

How exactly would a carwash or laundry mat work? How would you deposit stacks of hundreds into an account for a business that makes it's money $.25 at a time?

 

[Strainhunter]

How exactly would a carwash or laundry mat work? How would you deposit stacks of hundreds into an account for a business that makes it's money $.25 at a time?

LOL not making fun of you here buddy...bud exchanging coins for bills does not require record keeping.......

 

[Dislexus]

How about this idea: a simple door-to-door PC/network service tech business, $50 first hour, $25 each addition hour

Pay for gas in $20s, and save receipts.

Every time you get gas in your normal daily bullshit, you're justifying like x10 that in income. And you get to write-off the gas, correct? So like reasonably $500-1500 a week steril income.

How else could they logistically break down a business like that other than the gas.. and a little hardware/software.

You could write off the home office.. write off the vehicle? Repairs, maintenance.. etc.. ?

That should be enough to own a few toys on paper, maybe a lil house on the prairie. Just gotta keep your traceable lifestyle overhead low, and pay for food, clothes, etc with the unsterilized cash.

The most valuable cost - time - is saved... no actual labor, costs, etc involved... qualifies for K.I.S.S.?

I'm sure I'm mistaken somewhere, someone tell me..

 

[paladin420]

How about this idea: a simple door-to-door PC/network service tech business, $50 first hour, $25 each addition hour

Pay for gas in $20s, and save receipts.

Every time you get gas in your normal daily bullshit, you're justifying like x10 that in income. And you get to write-off the gas, correct? So like reasonably $500-1500 a week steril income.

How else could they logistically break down a business like that other than the gas.. and a little hardware/software.

You could write off the home office.. write off the vehicle? Repairs, maintenance.. etc.. ?

That should be enough to own a few toys on paper, maybe a lil house on the prairie. Just gotta keep your traceable lifestyle overhead low, and pay for food, clothes, etc with the unsterilized cash.

The most valuable cost - time - is saved... no actual labor, costs, etc involved... qualifies for K.I.S.S.?

I'm sure I'm mistaken somewhere, someone tell me..

 

[Dislexus]

Thank you sir..

Please someone poke some holes in this.. particularly the man who has been audited

Of course the main weakness is this is only good for AA division at most.. Come AAA league then I will roll out another.. more fun... idea. But just as simple.

 

[cosmik debris]

The government thinks it's all theirs to begin with.

The government thinks it's all theirs to begin with.

Federal Authorities now have power that you couldn't believe, and a pliant judiciary that doesn't seem the least bit interested in reining shit in. Let us not loose sight of what our in-justice system is all about...MONEY. The entire drug war/prosecution cycle is principally about just that - particularly where weed is concerned. The industry that has evolved around it depends on constant care and feeding for the very same reasons that American hegemony has persisted and grown - to keep their Military Industrial Complex fed.

Consider that even though the U.S. is supposedly a nation of laws, because they write the rules, the government can and does regularly change them to suit their needs. The IRS for example frequently ignores their own statutes on how far back they can go when they are trying to squeeze what they claim are unpaid taxes. The only way to impede that steam roller is with hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in legal talent. Otherwise they can stretch the envelope as far as they wish. Now that's just the "authorities" doing the investigating and prosecuting. When it comes to the individual judges, now you're opening a whole 'nuther can of worms.

Go sit in on a day or two of State Circuit Court proceedings and observe. The math gets pretty simple. If you have the means of providing for a good (read expensive) defense, you will likely mitigate your sentence. Your assets/money however are the real target in this gambit, especially to a broke ass nation like the U.S.

Most of them understand that their first responsibility is to wring as much money out of the system for their benefactors as possible. The law shit is all tertiary...just watch them work. One of the reasons they don't like/ let cameras and recorders into "THEIR" little fiefdom is that they don't want people to get that clear a look at the kind of obscenely ridiculous shit that they regularly pull. The vast majority act truly delusional when it comes to recognizing their limits of power...they just don't exist.

Now I've somewhat overstated this for effect, but not terribly so. They do fear passing judgement in a way that might embarrass them when their logic is essentially peer reviewed and tested under an appeal, but that costs big dough too. They can be seen to be tempering their behavior and decisions based on how well financed you and your defense really are principally for this reason - broke ass weed growers don't have the dough for appeals, but well represented ones are perceived as having that means available to them, so the judges are more apt to mind their 'Ps' and 'Qs'.

It is a truism that you only get the justice that you can afford in the U.S., so if you think you might need protection down the road...don't wait to buy the penicillin and pray that it's only V.D. Get yee some prophylactics now and use them regularly. Seriously consider retaining an appropriate lawyer before the shit happens. While you're at it have them open an escrow account in yours' and maybe your significant others' name. It's always nice to get bailed out and know that you have some walkin' around money, and I've never seen a lawyer challenged by the courts about their accounts unless a client has been ripped off. You also need to consider just how you're gonna live if they do freeze your assets. Just having your wife or kids' name on it won't stop that, it's just a more expensive part of making you suffer, and if you don't have the pre-paid lawyer...you're pretty much fucked. Got somebody that's gonna lend you Alan Dershowitz kind'a dough? I didn't think so.

They all shit in the same sand box, play golf at the same clubs and fuck each others wives so when you find yourself suddenly thrust into their world remember...you're just the host on which they all feed...including the douche bag that's defending you (and just 'cuz you pay'em a pile doesn't make them any different). Most of them suck and won't spend any more time and energy than they have to ta "earn" their fee. Be prepared to over pay...as crazy as that sounds. I will just say that I noticed considerably more effective results when the lawyer was offered a performance bonus based on tiers like "acquittal", "PBJ-Unsupervised Probation", "No Time", etc.

The OP's question(s) relate to a problem that is best avoided by not owning anything that would attract a Marshalls' Auction in the first place. I have relatives in the Mid West that struggled growing food crops for generations. Suddenly the dumb fucks are driving new Lincolns and the kids are all playin' on $8,000 ATV's. Duh! Low Pro baby, low pro...

The wealthiest guy I know is the biggest crook I know, and I'm talkin' billions with a "B". He pays off everybody, gives to his church, supports both political parties, and his criminality is limitless. He's not even remotely into drugs, just a legitimate big business guy shreddin' laws in bushels to make his loot. He also is a staunch supporter of LEO, the War on Drugs, and crime prevention as a whole. The laws he breaks are all what he considers due course of doing business in our modern world...and to a point I'd have to agree, but here's the salient point where his story is concerned.

Even though he is recognized by the establishment as being very successful, you wouldn't know it if you ran into him on the street. Read "The Millionaire Next Door" sometime, 'cuz it's absolutely true. He, as well as most of my extremely wealthy friends, are not the ones that buy the Escalades with the bling and the ridiculous wheels. They wouldn't let that shit park on their servants' lot. The one likes Lincolns, and so he buys a "new" 2-3 year old one every year or two...and this guy is a Billionaire. He lives in the same 3,500 square foot house that he bought when he was just making a good living. It's nice, but definitely well beneath his means, and this is key to helping to keep the inquisitors from sniffing your crotch.

Another fell'a I know was worth somewhere around 50 million before he was 40. He likes German cars...so he drives a 40 year old Mercedes drop top with a worn out original interior and original paint, not a new leased piece of shit. Funny thing is he looks like a bum to the average passing motorist, but the car is unique and worth a fortune. The only people I know that drive the shiny new ones are tort lawyers, Federal employees (almost exclusively Black by some coincidence), thugs and celebrities. In other words...dysfunctionals that want people to look at them.

There are three ways to live but only one way to accumulate wealth, and this is simple gospel. Live Beyond Your Means - just think government, house poor dummies with credit cards all maxed out...these are our poorest of the poor 'cuz they are already broke and living in denial. Live At Your Means - While some folks do manage this hand to mouth lifestyle, it's usually attributable to aspirations of living beyond their means...they just don't have enough credit yet. And finally, Live Beneath Your Means. The math is pretty simple. Just like if you wanna loose weight, simply put less shit in your pie hole works. You wanna have shit...you gotta be smart about how to get there.

Leave the cars to the illiterate nit wits getting big sports contract bonus', lawyers, politicians, gangsta's and the like. It makes it easier for the car jackers to pick out the ones that we won't miss when they're dead. A car is nothing more than a conveyance, a way of getting from point 'A' to point 'B', so treat it as such. Now I'm not sayin' go dig up an old Pinto, but be smart. Maybe an off-lease import sedan if you need some pamperin'...and no fart bag exhaust, mega-watt boom machines or after market wheels. Make sure that everything under the hood is jeweled and pampered though. Reliable trumps fast and furious every time. What's the best way for Mr. Murphy to visit the plague of an unanticipated LEO stop on ya? ...just break down on the side of the interstate one day. Camry's and Accords may not be sexy, but slap a "I support __ ___ Law Enforcement" sticker on the bumper and a AAA membership on the windshield and suddenly you're John Q. Milquetoast rather than public enemy. It's all about perception and empathy. LEO treats anyone that's not like him, or who doesn't share his values, like a perp.

Think beige! Medium colored cars are involved in more accidents than most 'cuz they're harder to see, particularly at dusk. That should be your favorite color. Tan, baby-shit brown, and even silver, are so common and hard to see that they virtually hide in plain sight. That should be your wheelhouse. And while you're at it, drop the dreds and get a nice Republican hair cut. Something Ritchie Cunningham or Beaver Cleaver would be proud of. Dockers and polo's don't attract the same kind of curiosity as ass hangin' out jeans and ball caps. You wanna make a fashion statement? Wait til you retire with a pile of dough and buy your 18 year old girl friends designer bikini's. Any fuckwad can look stupid with his ass hangin' out and a throwback draggin' on his knees. Learn to look like a citizen.

Asset forfeiture is absolutely a shit water mess, and it's getting worse. The last I witnessed was a cat that had a very successful contracting biz, but his brother-in-law got popped with some blow and rolled him as his supplier (when actually the truth was the reverse). Best of all, the B-I-L worked for the poor motherfucker. Both got time, but the guy with the business (which was held by himself and different family members who had no knowledge of anything) lost everything. The auction was held at his house, and they sold every fucking thing in it...down to the dog's bowl.

As the rulers get more and more desperate for money their efforts to steal whatever they can will only grow. Along the Eastern seaboard the States and Feds fight over who gets to steal what when somebody just gets caught with a single fish that they shouldn't have caught. They take the boat, its trailer and the vehicle that towed it...over a fuckin' fish! How bad do you think this kind of behavior gets when its directed at a scourge like someone involved in "the drug trade"?

What's the legality of it matter if you're workin' to post bail and pay the shyster while they're freezin' your assets and sending in the forensic accountants. It costs big dough to challenge the status quo when you're already their target.

As fer where to put what and how, the "How To" warnings are correct, but here are some general ideas to consider:

The USPS fills out a suspicious activity report on anybody that buys more than $1,000 - 2,000 worth of their money orders...and you're on candid camera.
All but the cheapest ATM's now have cameras.
Most jurisdictions at least have intersection cameras, nearly all shopping centers and parking lots, all pawn shops and obviously banks, as well as 95% of all retailers and more than likely your neighbors' house as well. The neighbors' cameras might well include your property in their field of view.
Banks and Credit Unions now dutifully track and record not just the $10K transactions for the IRS, but most now also report and make special recordings of transactions over just a few thousand dollars ($2,500 is a common threshold).
Precious metals dealers are almost all licensed by the State, and subject to spontaneous audits. Either way, they record cash transactions to cover their own ass in the event of an audit.
With the inflation and currency crisis that Yobo, Bush and the Fed have visited upon us, many States are now looking at even licensing scrap haulers 'cuz aluminum and copper are becoming so valuable.

Anything created by a lawyer can be destroyed by a lawyer. If that lawyer works for the government you can magnify that power by ten. Also, they are whores of the court and the really good crooked fucks are the really expensive ones. I mean like tens of thousands just for starters and a plea deal. If you need a trial guy with weight you might as well sell the wife and kids into slavery.

In this market, and likely well into the future, scrip/paper money is just going to continue to shrink. Besides...worms eat it. Gold and silver is elemental, which means that short of nuclear fission or fusion, it'll still be there 100 years from now. The trick is obtaining it without drawing undue attention or leaving a tell tale. Think like John Q. metal buyer and limit buys to a coin or two at a time, preferably through a clean but several arms' length away friend, and never the same ones at the same places. Patterns kill, and LEO is nothing if not patient and good at finding patterns, especially their idiot savant forensic accountants (which they have been hiring by the truck load for the last few Obama years). They want to know where everybody's shit is so they can find it later, and that especially includes you.

Think about starting a stamp collection (small, light, very portable with a well established collectors' market that prefers the shadows and eschews publicity). Gold is very good, but only part of the equation. American Eagles are easily traded, but when they're close to $2,000 a piece, it's not like you're gonna cash one in for a loaf of bread. Silver breaks down a lot easier at around $40 an ounce (5 of the old 90% silver quarters are close to an ounce), plus it's still legal tender - not that you'd spend it as such...I'm just sayin'.
Platinum and Palladium are good performers, albeit ingots and bars are even less easily traded. Study up on numismatics and start coin collecting. There is a huge amount of trade that is conducted under the radar in this sector that also provides opportunities to acquire more mainstream assets without attracting attention. Just make sure you know enough about what you're doing that you can pass as a legit collector and don't come off as what you're trying to conceal. Learn to walk the walk, maybe attend a few club meetings (never join and never under a name that you intend to keep of course, and preferably in a different town).

I have yet to meet a doctor, dentist, lawyer, plumber, accountant or other self employed type who isn't willing to except precious metals in lieu of cash. They also much prefer it, since they all want to hide from the government as well. Just remember this; with the current prices you can carry enough gold in your bowling bag to buy a nice new house.

Gem stones and metals transport well. High valuations can fit in your pocket or even in your Devil's Island wallet if need be. Today's metal detectors and ground penetrating radar can easily locate caches, so be mindful of where you put shit and how you might be able to direct someone to later fetch it for you in a pinch. Keep a nice court room suit at Mom's house, and a new name to travel under wouldn't be a bad plan "C" or "D" if cages give ya hives.

When they decide that they want your shit they will take it. All they need these days is to utter the 'T' word and the whole system falls into line to play with them.

Sorry for the "Nice Story Bro' ", I just hate to see people get fucked.

Never underestimate these suckers of Satan's cock. They will stop at nothing. Here's a parting case in point:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/pentagon-seeks-manipulate-social-media-propaganda-purposes

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...558b44258382452fcf02942396a&tab=core&_cview=0

 

[dtfsux]

wow, alot of over thinking here. I guess that depends on how big you go and your area. I can tell you for a fact, in my area, feds dont care if you get caught with multiple grow locations and a couple thousand plants. They have a higher threshold.

All the local guys want is stuff they can take quickly, cars, money, boats,ATV's, computers, etc. I had a 55 and 65" TV they left behind but they are older rear projection TV's. I guess a nice new plasma/lcd would be fair game.


THEY CAN NOT SEIZE ANYTHING WITH A LIEN ON IT. Technically they can, they just have to pay the lien off. So if your truck is worth 30, and you owe 20, they are not taking it.


Another idea I had was for someone trusted to open a finance company and hold a lien for 90% of the value for all your assets. That person could never be tied to the illegal doings because they don't own the asset, they simply provided the financing. But it may open another can of worms with fraud, money laundering, etc. But that would all be federal and fed time is easy

 

[whateverman]

wow, alot of over thinking here. I guess that depends on how big you go and your area. I can tell you for a fact, in my area, feds dont care if you get caught with multiple grow locations and a couple thousand plants. They have a higher threshold.

All the local guys want is stuff they can take quickly, cars, money, boats,ATV's, computers, etc. I had a 55 and 65" TV they left behind but they are older rear projection TV's. I guess a nice new plasma/lcd would be fair game.


THEY CAN NOT SEIZE ANYTHING WITH A LIEN ON IT.

Thanks for posting. You sure the bolded is true though? You telling me that a 40K truck with 500 dollars left on it can't be seized? Sheeeit imma buy a vette and put 57K down, then finance 2K over 72 months. lol. See what I mean? I'm sure they can snag whatever you put into the payments back out.

Cosmic, check your PM's bro. Epic post.

 

[dtfsux]

THEY CAN NOT SEIZE ANYTHING WITH A LIEN ON IT. Technically they can, they just have to pay the lien off. So if your truck is worth 30, and you owe 20, they are not taking it.

Thanks for posting. You sure the bolded is true though? You telling me that a 40K truck with 500 dollars left on it can't be seized? Sheeeit imma buy a vette and put 57K down, then finance 2K over 72 months. lol. See what I mean? I'm sure they can snag whatever you put into the payments back out.

Cosmic, check your PM's bro. Epic post.

If you read the whole thing, I clarified they have to pay the lien off.

Here is what happened to me. They seized two cars, some toys and some other stuff. The cars they had no right two because they had liens of a significant amount and there was NO EQUITY in the cars. One car got repoed by the finance company after 2 months right from the impound yard because I was not making payments on shit in the impound yard. Then we had to haggle and negotiate a deal to let them keep some stuff and get some stuff back. Eventually I got quite a bit back, and got the 2nd car back. But they held onto that car for 6+ months, just to be cock suckers.



I stress this so much because it seems like everyone on this board is stuck in this "they are going to take my house" mentality.

If there is no equity they do not want it.


And alot of the talk here is great to help keep you from getting busted. But once busted, they are going to see through all these phony businesses.