Dispensary sativa nonsense

[Guest 150314]

what the guy above me said is definitely truth. stretchy sativa hybrids are great cash croppers if you find the right one, i find they are pretty easy to grow can handle humidity and higher heat, root really easily, no veg needed. there is a jack and ssh that are really popular for cropping where i am at both are 11 week and need only a few days veg to pull 2+ lbs per light.

1 gal rockwool 7 day veg!

 

[Godless]

for the average stoner i think the only way for them to truly appreciate it is if it ends up in a rap song. which is not happening haha.

That right there is no fucking joke - it is brilliant.

My homies smokin OG be chokin on the sleepy dopein
holding up their tight nugs they be joking while my sativa just keeps smoking

Ok, well, maybe I aint a hip kid anymore, but someone somewhere is gonna read this and figure out a way to make a new niche in rap!

All joking aside, your point is real clear that we need to spread the message through the culture that promotes cannabis. Maybe I'll write a stoner movie: quest for the landrace grail!

for people in the know i think we all should dedicate maybe just one session to growing them a year, and sharing them with people.
As it was already pointed out, dispensaries/patients are not willing to purchase them because of lack of knowledge.
Well maybe we need to spread more knowledge about them.
Sativa get togethers? Sativa samples with purchases?

More good ideas here! Please invite me to the next sativa meetup - not much left, but my Kali is fire.

Once the co op regulars build up a tolerance smoking all the new OG's and Kush's and this and that new flavor of the month, even a great sativa doesn't give them the effects desired.

A high tolerance really cripples the quality of a 'clear headed high', at least for me. I actually love a good sativa but with my volume of smoking of various sativas/indicas/hybrids, I get that 'medicated' effect from a quality sativa, but nothing compared to how it smokes when you've got no tolerance at all.

the clear headed "am I high yet?" high doesn't cut it for a daily tokers tolerance and turns them off to many sativas

Interesting point. I also see this the other way around - after smoking an indica or hybrid up to the ceiling, the only way to get higher without falling asleep is a good sativa. So, in that sense, you'd think that dispensary culture, in creating jaded consumers, might eventually drive towards sativas.

As far as the clear headed "am I high yet?" high, I just call that low potency. Two bong rips of my KM and you will not be questioning whether you are high or not no matter how much tolerance you have for indicas. Then again, Kali Mist is not really "Clear Headed" - I was really using that descriptor to contrast with the way that indicas make you foggy and disassociative. No doubt that a daily toker ain't going to get much from CaliO or other low potency strains.

 

[Corpsey]

My homies smokin OG be chokin on the sleepy dopein
holding up their tight nugs they be joking while my sativa just keeps smoking

haha, that is great, ok here is my try.

"oh what you haven't heard? them kushes aint tha rage no mo.
you aint no body unless you rolling lambsbread, thai & punto rojo.
go ahead smoke ur self to sleep, then pass your girly to me.
she'll be screaming Acapulco Gold, dont you see?"

 

[Casa Bonita]

The retarded thing is; is that sativa's can still produce very well given a much shorter veg time. It kind of evens out if you have an indica dom that requires a 2 month veg to produce a QP vs a haze veg'd 30 days and takes 100 days to flower to produce the same QP.
If you look at it that way hazes are almost more economical because it's cheaper to run lights 12/12 than 18/6.

i hear haze is popular commercial type weed in NY... maybe this is why


found some sweet skunk at a local dispensary recently... very tastey and very sativa, maybe all hope is not lost... im so sick of kushes

 

[bass ackwards]

There are supposed to be eight week sativa's out there, such as Cinderella 99, also supposed to be a good yield-er. You would think this would be a good fit for that situation.
I've never grown C99 but I can see reaching a gram per watt with a longer veg and LST-ing.

Respect bass

 

[ijim]

I cant understand that these are supposed to be Medical Cannabis dispensaries. Yet they don't care if the sell you a strain that is not going to help your impairment. "So you have a depression problem and cant get motivated. Here try this LUI." That is fine I suppose if you are out to make a quick buck and don't give a damn about the patient or future of medical cannabis.

 

[Zen Master]

I cant understand that these are supposed to be Medical Cannabis dispensaries. Yet they don't care if the sell you a strain that is not going to help your impairment. "So you have a depression problem and cant get motivated. Here try this LUI." That is fine I suppose if you are out to make a quick buck and don't give a damn about the patient or future of medical cannabis.

hate to break it to ya, but 99% of the dispensaries dont give a rats ass what your medical issues are. This isn't the doctors office to figure out whats wrong with you, its the pharmacy to pick up your meds.

Can you imagine trying to solicit medical advice from a stoned budtender? I'll take a stoned budtenders word on the effects of the weed because they are probably pro at judging that, however wont let them make a judgment call on if its the right strain for me, thats my call and it can change daily depending on the situation. Their opinions on the effects? sure thats about as far as I really care to take it.

most all dispensaries operate somewhat along those lines, there are a few here and there that truly do have knowledgeable budtenders and if you divulge your medical info to them, would be very happy to help you pick out a quality strain to have the effects the patient desires. Same as going to a shitty hole in the wall and ordering a glass of wine and getting something thats hit or miss versus going to a quality establishment and having a sommelier pair the perfect wine with your meal.

 

[m314]

There are supposed to be eight week sativa's out there, such as Cinderella 99, also supposed to be a good yield-er. You would think this would be a good fit for that situation.
I've never grown C99 but I can see reaching a gram per watt with a longer veg and LST-ing.

Respect bass

C99 is the best sativa high I've experienced. As good as or better than the haze, jack herer, durban poison, or other sativas I've tried. I love those strains too, but Cindy is the best I've ever had.

She's a high maintenance girl, though. Tall, thin, with lots of long, stretchy branches that aren't strong enough to hold up the weight of the buds. Trimming is a bitch, with lots and lots of small buds instead of a huge main cola. I never got more than .6 or .7 grams per watt with her, while a gram per watt was easy with strains like sweet tooth #3, white widow, and k2.

Maybe I just didn't get the high yielding pheno, but the ones I grew wouldn't be ideal for someone trying to grow for profit. The 7 or 8 week finishing time would help, but commercial growers might want to go with a higher yielding and lower maintenance strain. I suspect the only C99 sold in dispensaries (if it's out there) is grown out of love without profit as the first priority.

 

[DonkDBZ]

Reality is the majority of people in the 18-28 crowd don't care for Real Sativa's. A lot of people want to get out of work drink a beer, smoke a J and chill.

Some want couchlock and ache and pain relief.

Others like hybrid awake and relaxed.

Having grown quite a few 14+week girls myself. I have gotton bitched at multiple times by my friends.

example 1....thanks for warning me u put coke (nope just pure haze) on my buds. I wanted to crash but I cleaned my whole house instead.

example 2....what the fuck was that I was staring out my window all night thinking people were looking for me.

example 3....(older friend) you got any more. brought me back to the good ole days.

example 4...dude that stuff owned was ppowning noobs all night on codmw2 last night.


I got so many different responses. ..but truth be told majority like a nice body stone and just don't wanna "think bout stuff" when they get out of work

 

[zymos]

hate to break it to ya, but 99% of the dispensaries dont give a rats ass what your medical issues are.

What percent of the people BUYING from dispensaries could you say the same thing about?

 

[Zen Master]

What percent of the people BUYING from dispensaries could you say the same thing about?

huh? I'm confused as to what you mean.

I'm taking it as "what % of patients care about their own medical issues"

lemme know if I took that the wrong way though....

I'd say close to 100%? why would a patient go to a dispensary if they didn't feel the need or desire to?

however that doesn't mean that its the dispensaries job to pick the right product for its customer.

think about it like this, imagine sitting down at a bar, do you wait for the bartender and ask em 20 questions to find out what you want? or do you have a general idea of what sounds good? do you ask her if the tequila is a 'happy drunk' tequila or is it the 'angry drunk' tequila? Or what kind of medium the agave was grown in? She'll probably look at you odd and think about cuttin ya off.

Sure if you wanna chat and there is time to do so without making other patients wait, most budtenders are pretty nice, theres just quite a few uneducated (in regards to herb) ones as well (bet you dont ask that bartender what kind of fermentation process the beer went through).
However if you are happy with the product and not with the employees, my suggestion would be to find another dispensary, if you're in a med state, there should be another one close, look across the street.

the only people that should feel the need to have their hand held while gazing at a dispensary menu, are the baby boomers that have no idea what todays weed world is like because they've been outa the game for 30 years.

It seems daunting to someone who's never stepped foot into a dispensary looking up at a menu of 60 different strains, but so is anything for the first time. After one visit trying a gram of a few different strains, a patient SHOULD be able to judge "hey I like sativas more than indicas for my med issues" and get further educated themselves each visit thereafter.

people shouldn't be relying on complete strangers to give them medical advice, herbal or not.

 

[Chong_Irie]

Zen: "think about it like this, imagine sitting down at a bar, do you wait for the bartender and ask em 20 questions to find out what you want? or do you have a general idea of what sounds good? do you ask her if the tequila is a 'happy drunk' tequila or is it the 'angry drunk' tequila? Or what kind of medium the agave was grown in? She'll probably look at you odd and think about cuttin ya off."

But you don't go to a bar for medicine... It would be more like going to the pharmacy and saying I got a prescription for some cold medicine, but I would really like to try some stuff for back pain.

Weird too that you refer to older ppl going to get their meds for the first time as being "out of the game"....

 

[zymos]

Zen Master-

It was just a snarky comment on the fact that many people are buying weed from dispensaries TO GET HIGH, not to treat any illness.

 

[Godless]

Zen Master-

It was just a snarky comment on the fact that many people are buying weed from dispensaries TO GET HIGH, not to treat any illness.

I proved the need my card with an xray, but my need is really based on my mental issues. In my younger years, those mental issues manifested as a strong desire to get fucked up. As a result of my experience, I have decided that it is not for me to judge others because I'm not walkin' in their shoes. What proves the need more: an xray today showing titanium plates or an xray tomorrow showing shotgun pellets in the brain? Besides, we are talking about a drug that can't kill you, has minimal addictive risk and has a higher LD50 than the majority of OTC medicine - in that context, it is ridiculous to measure one person's need against another's. Be very clear that this division that you are supporting is encouraged by the prohibitionists to use the med user against the non-med user. Do not delude yourself that they are on your side.

C99 is the best sativa high I've experienced. As good as or better than the haze, jack herer, durban poison, or other sativas I've tried. I love those strains too, but Cindy is the best I've ever had.

To be honest, I had never tried C99 so I went to a reputable dispensary and grabbed an 1/8th. By the faint smell, it obviously was the pineapple pheno and the bud was in great shape and not keifed or machine trimmed (trimmers are for indicas). Although it was no where near as cured as I like (>9 months for my headstash), it was very very smooth smoking and on the exhale had a distinct butterscotch candy taste. Truly a gourmet delight. And the high is indeed a great sativa high - that lasts me an hour. It has a nice comedown with only a touch of that indica sleepyness. Its qualities make it very useful for a daytime, functional smoke. Kali Mist lasts me a full three hours, is a bit too psychedelic for social functioning and takes less hits to get there.

I have come to the opinion that for a sativa high, trics that genetically take longer to mature provide a longer duration and more "full" effect (i.e. no "am I high?" questioning) with less product required. There are economic measures we can attach to these qualities, but the market has failed to recognize them so far. As stated earlier, the root cause is the lack of education on the part of the consumer.

 

[fabvariousk]

Zen Master-

It was just a snarky comment on the fact that many people are buying weed from dispensaries TO GET HIGH, not to treat any illness.

The point of cannabis is to get people high!
What makes people think that the medical positives are nothing more than a side affect of it getting you high?
I am bipolar. My manic ancestors are the reason we have this medicine for anything. Those crazy exceptional beings bred it to stay sane in a ignorant and crazy world.
The same reason I use it.
I am very happy others benefit from MY meds but in my eyes a college stoner is just as legitimate as a cancer patient.
You are all abusing something that was not meant for you.
Your welcome.
fk

 

[Chong_Irie]

I am very happy others benefit from MY meds but in my eyes a college stoner is just as legitimate as a cancer patient.

It is arguments like this that make non-smoking voters think twice about medical marijuana.

 

[zymos]

It SHOULD be legal for everybody, with no restrictions whatsoever- it's just a plant.

But that doesn't mean that much of what goes on today in the name of "medical marijuana" isn't laughable...

 

[mugenbao]

Main point to be remembered is that if people aren't asking for it by name, dispensaries aren't going to be paying extra for it, meaning growers ain't going to be supplying it

If enough people are asking for it by name, many dispensaries are going to be busy changing the labels on existing stock


.

 

[heady blunts]

the best luck i've had so far is just finding a dispensary with some fucking integrity. not easy let me tell you. i've been to almost every place in town and there is only one with the variety, transparency, integrity, and fair pricing i'm expecting in a legitimate medical business. they only stock organic meds as well.

i got an 8th of really stupendous casey jones x sour d grown legit organic (kelp, fish, etc.) in their greenhouse. ps- very reasonable price.

it's unassuming. i dunno what it is about their green house stuff but it never looks that great, especially next to all the candy indoor weed.

but there is something about a good sativa grown under the full spectrum of the sun that makes for a complex high that artificial lighting just can't replicate.

this stuff gave me a soaring high for 3.5 - 4 hours (most hybrids last me on average 2 hours). and i had to start smoking pinners cause the shit would rock my face lol.

definitely going back for a big sack

just sayin there's some good folks out there running organizations that actually want to provide the meds their patients need.

 

[sso]

heck i need weed just because of society.

if it werent for a few good people, id be living in the mountains, smoking alot of weed to relieve the boredom, or dead lol (though id also be dead if it werent for the weed, so hey)