kannabeans
Member
yea bought the boost am gonna give it a try heard mixed things about it but where im ffrom its not as expensive like in usa so imma give it a go and see what happens
is canna boost worth it??
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have used it a few times now and it seems to me that all it really does is speed up the flowering. i'm finding my strains being finished a good few days earlier when i use it during flowering in coco. i don't think i notice more trichomes and the yields don't seem to be effected, although some folks say it has helped their yields. but personally i'm planning to skip it next run and just stick to my base nutes and some enzymes and maybe pk13/14.
Isn't that why you should give it with PK 13/14?
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thefatman
From a Canna advertisement for PK 13/14
PK 13/14 is a high grade mixture of phosphorus and potassium that is added during the flowering phase. Both elements play a big role during the flowering phase of fast growing plants. Thanks to a special production process CANNA has succeeded in combining pure phosphorous and potassium in very high concentrations and this makes PK 13/14 available to the plant quickly and directly.
Phosphorous (P) is a major nutritional element for every plant. It plays a key role in metabolism and energy transfer. Extra phosphorous is needed in the flowering phase. Phosphorous strengthens cell formation in flowers among other things.
Potassium (K) is found throughout the plant and is necessary for a lot of its activities. It is essential for transporting water and nutrition (sieve vessels) and it is responsible for the plant’s quality and rigidity. In addition to this it controls countless other processes such as sugar production. Potassium ensures that the plant can produce enough sugars during flowering, which are essential for the development of the flowers.
Considering the 13/14 I would surmise the Canna 13/14 is just MonoPotassium Phosphate which is usually 21% Potassium and 25% Phosphate as would seem the case if calculating by Mass/mass. Simply buying MonoPotassium Phosphate would be a lot cheaper than buying/using PK 13/14. However, I do not know why anyone would want to add more Phosphorus during bloom. Most growers have not found it advantageous to add much more phosphorus during bloom as most over the counter nutrients typically contain too much Phosphorus. The increased Potassium would likely be of help with most over the counter nutrients. Potassium sulfate or Potassium Nitrate would usually be a better bloom supplemental choice during budding then would be MonoPotassium Phosphate.
I would not say most growers. I would say the growers in the high P myth thread do that. The majority of use use high p Products like PK 13/14. I will stick with my High P feedings. If its not broke dont fix it. This thread is about Canna boost not the mysterious High P. I will just agree to disagree pk 13/14 works for me and I get massive yields using it.
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YosemiteSam
thefatman...what ppm P do you consider good?
I am down to 24 ppm in veg...and I am not so sure I actually need anymore in flower.
On the other side what does one replace it with? SO4, SiO2, amino acids? It seems to me most of the anions do not have huge negative effects...you just kinda got to get in the right range...and those appear to be pretty wide.
I am down to 24 ppm in veg...and I am not so sure I actually need anymore in flower.
On the other side what does one replace it with? SO4, SiO2, amino acids? It seems to me most of the anions do not have huge negative effects...you just kinda got to get in the right range...and those appear to be pretty wide.
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thefatman
Here is what I am presently using with air atomized drain to waste if ammonium nitrate is available for mixing. If ammonium Nitrate is not available I am using magnesium nitrate to get my nitrogen level up along with some other changes with other salts.
fatman's Bloom Drain to Waste
Nitrogen 400
Phosphorus 100
Potassium 449
Magnesium 50
Calcium 125
Sulfur 66
Iron 10.00
Manganese 5.00
Boron 5.00
Zinc 5.00
Copper 1.00
Molybdenum .09
Ounces
Part A
Calcium Nitrate 8.3
Potassium Nitrate 7.6
Ammonium Nitrate 4.4
Iron Chelate 1.35
Part B
Potassium Nitrate 7.6
MonoPotassium Phosphate .1
Magnesium Sulfate 6.7
MonoAmmonium Phosphate 6.0
Manganese Sulfate .269
Boric Acid / Solubor .368
Zinc Sulfate .291
Copper Sulfate .059
Ammonium Molybdate .002
Volume of Stock Solutions 1
Dilution Rate 100
EC 2.37
TDS 1650
Salt weight 3244 mg/L
This is a 100X concentrate formula which I dilute for use at nearer to 300 to 1. That drops the nitrogen down to around 133 ppm and the phosphorus to around 33 ppm.
fatman's Bloom DTW (without Ammonium Nitrate)
ppm
Nitrogen 400
Phosphorus 100
Potassium 449
Magnesium 70
Calcium 100
Sulfur 134
Iron 10.00
Manganese 5.00
Boron 5.00
Zinc 5.00
Copper 1.00
Molybdenum .09
Part A (Ounces)
Calcium Nitrate 8.0
Potassium Nitrate 6.7
Magnesium Nitrate 0.92
Iron Chelate 1.63
Part B (Ounces)
Potassium Nitrate 6.7
MonoPotassium Phosphate 7.6
Ammonium Sulfate 7.36
Manganese Sulfate 0.324
Boric Acid / Solubor 0.442
Zinc Sulfate 0.351
Copper Sulfate 0.071
Ammonium Molybdate 0.003
Volume of Stock Solutions 1 Gallon
Dilution Rate 100 Gallons
I also typically dilute this at about 1 gallon to 300 gallons
My veg is lower in Phosphorus and higher in calcium.
fatman's VEG DTW (with Ammonium Nitrate)
Nitrogen 357
Phosphorus 55
Potassium 300
Magnesium 55.5
Calcium 200
Sulfur 78
Iron 10.00
Manganese 5.00
Boron 5.00
Zinc 5.00
Copper 1.00
Molybdenum 0.09
Ounces
Part A
Calcium Nitrate 13.2
Potassium Nitrate 4.0
Iron Chelate 1.35
Part B
Potassium Nitrate 4.0
Magnesuium Nitrate 7.07
Ammonium Sulfate 7.36
MonoPotassium Phosphate 3.5
Manganese Sulfate .269
Boric Acid / Solubor .368
Zinc Sulfate .291
Copper Sulfate.059
Ammonium Molybdate .002
Volume of Stock Solutions 1
Dilution Rate 100
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thefatman
I should say most of the inert media and aero growers I know. I use more phosphorus during bloom than during veg but definitely not the high amount used by growers who do not see the logic and in the great phosphous myth or who have not done tissue analysis of mj plants. I am glad to here your happy with your yield as ones satisfaction with their grows is what is most important rather than comparative results of yields from methods used by other growers.
Canna boost is nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium, although I do not know the ppm of the different nutrients. I surmise the nitrogen and potassium is higher than the phosphorus. If so, then comparing the three nutrients to each other it would mean the phosphorus would still be lower in ppm than the potassium and the nitrogen so it would still be supportive of the low phosphorus concept/myth. The fertilizer registries for California, Washington and Oregon do not list Canna Boost as a registered fertilizer legal to be sold in those states. I am assuming the Nitrogen is from the use of Potassium Nitrate therefore the Nitrogen and Potassium levels are likely higher than the Phosphorus.
Do you actually know the guaranteed analysis of Canna Boost?
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thefatman
Wow, organic. Raw cane sugar. So basically it is an unconcentrated (non extracted) version of the Triacontanol. If one wants to use such a product one would be a great deal of money ahead by just buying raw cane sugar and using it by foliar application. It is definitely not high enough in Phosphorus to quantify someone implying their using it means they are using high phosphorus levels.
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thefatman
Triacontanol is at highest levels in raw cane sugar and in sugar cane pulp. As raw cane sugar is available anywhere and sugar cane pulp is only available in the few areas where it is grown in large amounts for the production of sugar it is most likely they are using raw cane sugar when they sate cane sugar or sugar cane. They do not say sugar cane pulp.
^ good info
on the bottle is just states:
derived from
plant extract:
sugar cane
but not sure on labeling, as they might add more things in it that we do not know???
emailed canna. here's a piece of when I asked what boost does:
"Boost, and its mineral counterpart, is based on the same thing. A little mineral charge is given to increase performance in the Canna Boost. Both start out and are composed of a fermentation product that really provides no additional nutrients. It is an engineered product that stimulates or, rather, acts as a stress indicator for the plant. No actual stress occurs but the plant thinks it is, much like a vaccine will do for animals, and is a positive stress. The plant them responds to the stress by increasing its immune response. This immune response bolsters the natural products produced by plants that help it ward off the effects of a pathogen or physical damage. Things such as alkaloids are defense mechanisms for plants and are enhanced. So, basically 2 things happen: the plant will express better resistance to disease and will show heightened production of natural protectants made by the plant, hence the smell. Additionally the plant will tend to increased branching on slightly shorter plants and exhibit more even and earlier harvest; earlier is measured in a few days in reality as this is the measure used in the horticultural world."
all I know, at the end of the day.. as I don't mind paying for something that works or I can see that works.. it is not worth the price they are charging for this product.
there advertising of, plant extracts from the rain forest.. is a joke.. yeah I've been down to Peru once and saw some sugar cane plantations.. but that's not what one thinks of when we are thinking the "exotic rain forest" , were thinking there exploring the jungle trying to find us a magical plant deep in the jungle.
on the bottle is just states:
derived from
plant extract:
sugar cane
but not sure on labeling, as they might add more things in it that we do not know???
emailed canna. here's a piece of when I asked what boost does:
"Boost, and its mineral counterpart, is based on the same thing. A little mineral charge is given to increase performance in the Canna Boost. Both start out and are composed of a fermentation product that really provides no additional nutrients. It is an engineered product that stimulates or, rather, acts as a stress indicator for the plant. No actual stress occurs but the plant thinks it is, much like a vaccine will do for animals, and is a positive stress. The plant them responds to the stress by increasing its immune response. This immune response bolsters the natural products produced by plants that help it ward off the effects of a pathogen or physical damage. Things such as alkaloids are defense mechanisms for plants and are enhanced. So, basically 2 things happen: the plant will express better resistance to disease and will show heightened production of natural protectants made by the plant, hence the smell. Additionally the plant will tend to increased branching on slightly shorter plants and exhibit more even and earlier harvest; earlier is measured in a few days in reality as this is the measure used in the horticultural world."
all I know, at the end of the day.. as I don't mind paying for something that works or I can see that works.. it is not worth the price they are charging for this product.
there advertising of, plant extracts from the rain forest.. is a joke.. yeah I've been down to Peru once and saw some sugar cane plantations.. but that's not what one thinks of when we are thinking the "exotic rain forest" , were thinking there exploring the jungle trying to find us a magical plant deep in the jungle.
dizzlekush
Member
is Cannas boost worth it? at $100 a liter it would be hard to be worth it.i recently just purchased 1L of a product that is 2.5% Triacontanol w/v, that also cost approx $100. with it i can make 250 LITERS of solution that can be applied at anywhere from 2.5 ml -10ml per liter to a spray solution and show results on par or better than cannas boost, im betting. so with the same money i can buy 250 times more working solution.... so id say no, boost is not worth it.
I use canna coco a/b with Bloombastic in flower. Achieve about 1gpw with no co2. For me,if it aint broke, don't fix it.
