Heads 6/9 formula with advanced 3 part??

[IwannatokeNbone]

What made you not a fan???

look at plants that are grown with it, its bare essential nutrition for plants, ive seen perhaps 300+ plants grown with it so far as well as smoke from that supply, its a base refined mineral salt, it will grow a base plant and make all the people who think the kiss method is the end all be all happy. plants never have a glow to them with it, leafs are never juicy, taste n flavour suck, just look around the icc at plants grown with it and tell me you havent seen much better.

 

[CoCo_Crazy]

look at plants that are grown with it, its bare essential nutrition for plants, ive seen perhaps 300+ plants grown with it so far as well as smoke from that supply, its a base refined mineral salt, it will grow a base plant and make all the people who think the kiss method is the end all be all happy. plants never have a glow to them with it, leafs are never juicy, taste n flavour suck, just look around the icc at plants grown with it and tell me you havent seen much better.

I believe this too be untrue , review this thread too see lots of contradicting evidence.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=55683

 

[Snow Crash]

so that means i can go with good old gh then!! thats good news.

And snow cash no doubt i am going to incorporate coco into my organics section i usually just make my own food for organics but can never see m to push above the 0.5 per watt so im hoping this 6/9 method can up that without losing on quality!

I'm not going to make any promises about higher yields but coco does set you up for success. Building a nice big healthy root system is key, and even if you're running a kind of quasi-organic system you are definitely best off with some form of myco, tricho, and bennies either as an amendment or as a soluble.

Once the roots are kicking ass then you can hit flowering. Do not make the mistake of thinking your plants can handle the same level of nutrition throughout the transitional stage as they did at peak vegetative growth. Play it safe and stay at or around 1.2ec for the first 2 weeks. Then you can gradually start to pick those levels up.

In my garden, runoff is king. I measure the EC pretty religiously and keep a good journal. Different systems wash out of coco at a different rate so it is best to mine some data for yourself and find a way of interpreting it against the health of the plants. During flowering, when I'm watering 2-3 times per 12 hour period it is hard not to get some runoff even with just 1500ml in a 3 gallon planter. I'll regularly get 30-50% runoff without having to try too hard and this helps keep buildup from being an issue down the road.

One thing about 6/9 formula's is that they are a little low for the entire grow unless you are planning on having a touch of buildup for when the plant needs it. Hit and miss depending on experience and many other factors. I think it is much more preferable to use your head and keep an eye out for issues.

look at plants that are grown with it, its bare essential nutrition for plants, ive seen perhaps 300+ plants grown with it so far as well as smoke from that supply, its a base refined mineral salt, it will grow a base plant and make all the people who think the kiss method is the end all be all happy. plants never have a glow to them with it, leafs are never juicy, taste n flavour suck, just look around the icc at plants grown with it and tell me you havent seen much better.

I believe this too be untrue , review this thread too see lots of contradicting evidence.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=55683

I know a lot of growers who use a peat based soil mix, GH micro/bloom, a sweetener like Bud Candy, and Snow Storm Ultra.
I guess for an amended grow, even with the $50 in liters of the two additives these guys are pulling pounds of some pretty good stuff for only about $100 in nutrients.

Much of what it all comes down to are genetics. Some supplements are pretty hyped up. I didn't have any results at all from using Bud Candy or Snow Storm Ultra as advertised. I switched over to CNS 17 Coco/Soil for the ease of a 1-part and had great results. I definitely recommend that system to GH users looking for something more, but still in the KISS mentality.

Currently I am working with Cutting Edge Solutions Micro and Bloom with their additive lineup of Plant Amp, Mag Amped, and Uncle John's Blend. It is too early to say but I am extremely pleased with the resin results on these strains at 30 days into 12/12. They have another 40 days left, and most of the bud weight to add, but it should be some of the best I have grown.

To increase the final size of my flowers I am also working with some additives. Advanced Nutrients Big Bud dry was started a few days ago at ~0.2ec right now, and in another 10 days I will begin pushing H&G Shooting powder (all while keeping my EC down around 1.2). I have worked with Big Bud before with fantastic results and will continue to do so regardless of the hatred AN gets. Shooting Powder is new to me but it works differently and should be a good fit with Big Bud, highly recommended by my local gurus.

Here's a shot on Cutting Edge Solution Micro/Bloom that you could run at a 5/8 for the same price as GH Micro/Bloom. (that's heat stress...)

 

[gamehaze]

So i went ahead and bought the ghe and to my surprise it has the same ratios as the us version 510 micro 054 bloom so i grabbed that instead of advanced.
Around my circles i have always liked my weed the best and i grow strictly organics i read loads from the likes of jaykush and the gang over at the organic section and the skills they have taught me make the best tasting weed but as i said the yeilds are average at best!!
But i would say its an unfair decision to say organics produces the best weed until i try the other methods myself and i say this because all the chem weed i tasted was from other growers and these days everyone is greedy so it was probably unflushed or pumped up with chem or something which is why im giving this 6/9 formula my 100% at the moment as i cant picture reputable sources like rez, head, truecanabliss smoking weed that doesnt smoke dank so i reckon if i follow heads direction attentively i may have more of a product that is equally as dank as organics!!

 

[gamehaze]

delted quote of personal attack which was deleted above
How did you check that out cococrazy ive been a lurker for many years i only learned about reputation when i went to the 420 a few years back lol!

 

[CoCo_Crazy]

Go to "view public profile" when you click on someones name then go to statistics.

 

[gamehaze]

Go to "view public profile" when you click on someones name then go to statistics.

Thanks

 

[roll it large]

So i went ahead and bought the ghe and to my surprise it has the same ratios as the us version 510 micro 054 bloom so i grabbed that instead of advanced.
Around my circles i have always liked my weed the best and i grow strictly organics i read loads from the likes of jaykush and the gang over at the organic section and the skills they have taught me make the best tasting weed but as i said the yeilds are average at best!!
But i would say its an unfair decision to say organics produces the best weed until i try the other methods myself and i say this because all the chem weed i tasted was from other growers and these days everyone is greedy so it was probably unflushed or pumped up with chem or something which is why im giving this 6/9 formula my 100% at the moment as i cant picture reputable sources like rez, head, truecanabliss smoking weed that doesnt smoke dank so i reckon if i follow heads direction attentively i may have more of a product that is equally as dank as organics!!

let us know how you get on pal and if poss post up some pics of the bottles i think the npk ratios are the same but the mg and cal are different hence why head recomends 3 hw micro 3 sw micro 10 bloom

been wanting to do this myself but havent had chance yet


peace

 

[inreplyavalon]

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Here's a shot on Cutting Edge Solution Micro/Bloom that you could run at a 5/8 for the same price as GH Micro/Bloom. (that's heat stress...)

Lots of intersting stuff in this post snowcrash. Thanks for sharing. Being to lazy to battle to figure it out, is the cutting edge 5/8 you suggest, a similar ratio to the 6/9?

Also how do you feel about using mychorrizi and such beneficials with nutrients such as GH 6/9 or maxi? I have heard that the salts can render the bene's useless, and heard others say they will be fine. Hard to tell without a very powerful microscope or a lot of experimenting. Any experience?

 

[Snow Crash]

Lots of intersting stuff in this post snowcrash. Thanks for sharing. Being to lazy to battle to figure it out, is the cutting edge 5/8 you suggest, a similar ratio to the 6/9?

Also how do you feel about using mychorrizi and such beneficials with nutrients such as GH 6/9 or maxi? I have heard that the salts can render the bene's useless, and heard others say they will be fine. Hard to tell without a very powerful microscope or a lot of experimenting. Any experience?

Glad to.

The Micro is a 5-0-0 with 5% calcium
The Bloom is 0-6-5 with 1% magnesium and 2% sulfur.

They are a pretty different product from GH but you can get about the same levels with a 6/8 ratio.

GH Micro is 5-0-1 with 5% calcium
GH Bloom is a 0-5-4 with 1.5% magnesium and 1% sulfur.

You can see that the big difference is with the Bloom I guess, especially with regard to the ratio of Magnesium to PK, and the amount of sulfur.

5/8 is probably a little low. More like 6/8 as a replica now that I am breaking it all down.

The real difference between the products is in the quality of the manufacturing. CES is utilizing a number of organic acids and chelates for different elements in their Micro. GH has dye in their solutions... I have definitely noticed an increase of availability of elements in my system. Running just a 3/6 with the supplements has been plenty of food for my plants.

I know that Cutting Edge Solutions works best when the system is put together and the media contains mycos and other beneficials. This is because they are using a combination of organic compounds with low molecular weight elements to provide nutrition. A lot different then just dissolving some salts in some water and adding a little color.

On just the npk and the price they compare but I find CES to be a well thought out product that is providing better quality for the same price. Being that a person could get a a quart of Grow, Micro, and Bloom for less than $30... you don't have a lot to lose. Any grower worth their salt should be able to get by with a three parter.

The addition of a potassium supplement is clutch. So is a magnesium supplement. Their Plant Amp is crazy shit and drops the pH of my reservoir to about 4.0, but this is really misleading and isn't anything to worry about. Strange too... I freaked when I saw the pH reading the first time. Now that I've been running the system for a few weeks in coco the runoff pH of the coco hasn't budged (if anything it's gone up).

Surprisingly, mixing the whole system to a 4.0pH has been the most pH balanced system I have run and it's been no work at all. I'm sure this might be tough for people to stomach (as well as the $25 per liter price tag on the stuff) and I think General Organics CaMg+ would be a fine Calcium supplement for their system at 5% Ca, 1% Mg, plus carbohydrates and organic acids.

The Uncle John's Blend is the shit though. I'll probably run that stuff until I find something better. Blowing Snow Storm Ultra out of the water right now.

Mag Amped is whatever. At 1% Mg and 1% Su it's basically a 1:10 dilution of epsom salt in water. I'm sure there's other stuff in the bottle, when I shake it there is a foam so there might be a surfactant of some kind, but you could save a bunch of cash on this by mixing up 100 grams of Epsom Salt in 1000ml of water and adding in a drop or two of Ivory dish soap. I still have another bottle of the Mag amped but I think I could do without it personally.

I'm a big fan of magnesium in coco with cannabis. This system runs dangerously low on Mag if you're not pushing at least 6ml/gallon of Bloom and that's my only real complaint with the system. One thing that can be said for Botanicare and Advanced Nutrients is that they understand the need for a good deal of Mag. Especially in their ripening formulas.

 

[inreplyavalon]

Glad to.

The Micro is a 5-0-0 with 5% calcium
The Bloom is 0-6-5 with 1% magnesium and 2% sulfur.

They are a pretty different product from GH but you can get about the same levels with a 6/8 ratio.

GH Micro is 5-0-1 with 5% calcium
GH Bloom is a 0-5-4 with 1.5% magnesium and 1% sulfur.

You can see that the big difference is with the Bloom I guess, especially with regard to the ratio of Magnesium to PK, and the amount of sulfur.

5/8 is probably a little low. More like 6/8 as a replica now that I am breaking it all down.

The real difference between the products is in the quality of the manufacturing. CES is utilizing a number of organic acids and chelates for different elements in their Micro. GH has dye in their solutions... I have definitely noticed an increase of availability of elements in my system. Running just a 3/6 with the supplements has been plenty of food for my plants.

I know that Cutting Edge Solutions works best when the system is put together and the media contains mycos and other beneficials. This is because they are using a combination of organic compounds with low molecular weight elements to provide nutrition. A lot different then just dissolving some salts in some water and adding a little color.

On just the npk and the price they compare but I find CES to be a well thought out product that is providing better quality for the same price. Being that a person could get a a quart of Grow, Micro, and Bloom for less than $30... you don't have a lot to lose. Any grower worth their salt should be able to get by with a three parter.

The addition of a potassium supplement is clutch. So is a magnesium supplement. Their Plant Amp is crazy shit and drops the pH of my reservoir to about 4.0, but this is really misleading and isn't anything to worry about. Strange too... I freaked when I saw the pH reading the first time. Now that I've been running the system for a few weeks in coco the runoff pH of the coco hasn't budged (if anything it's gone up).

Surprisingly, mixing the whole system to a 4.0pH has been the most pH balanced system I have run and it's been no work at all. I'm sure this might be tough for people to stomach (as well as the $25 per liter price tag on the stuff) and I think General Organics CaMg+ would be a fine Calcium supplement for their system at 5% Ca, 1% Mg, plus carbohydrates and organic acids.

The Uncle John's Blend is the shit though. I'll probably run that stuff until I find something better. Blowing Snow Storm Ultra out of the water right now.

Mag Amped is whatever. At 1% Mg and 1% Su it's basically a 1:10 dilution of epsom salt in water. I'm sure there's other stuff in the bottle, when I shake it there is a foam so there might be a surfactant of some kind, but you could save a bunch of cash on this by mixing up 100 grams of Epsom Salt in 1000ml of water and adding in a drop or two of Ivory dish soap. I still have another bottle of the Mag amped but I think I could do without it personally.

I'm a big fan of magnesium in coco with cannabis. This system runs dangerously low on Mag if you're not pushing at least 6ml/gallon of Bloom and that's my only real complaint with the system. One thing that can be said for Botanicare and Advanced Nutrients is that they understand the need for a good deal of Mag. Especially in their ripening formulas.

Thanks Snow. I went to CES' site to try and see the ingredients but they don't list them. Not really sure what "Organic Acids" do other than buffer the nutrients and don't know much about molecular weight.
Though about GH adding dye to their stuff, sounds silly and not what i would prefer to be smoking on.
The uncle John's band sounds like a nice product, as does their hum tea if adding beneficial. I just started to go that route and am thinking of adding a bit more organic additives to help feed the herd. Using Roots excel at the moment and adding subculture-m along with my base nutes.
CaMg+ from GH, i wonder of its consistency? I run 3mm lines off blumats and wouldnt want anything gunking them up. I'm guessing that a product like drip clean would not hurt the herd, but not really sure.
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts on the CES.

 

[RubeGoldberg]

Hi there i am from the uk and can only get hold of ghe rather than try and experiment with the 3/10 ratio that head recommended i was wondering could i get away with the 6/9 with advanced nutrients instead??
Also i would like to know if anyone has successfully carried it out?

Their original 3 part grow/micro/bloom was designed to allow GH users to transition to their products and get better results due to extra chelation on some of the minerals.

They also sell Jungle Juice now which is a 100% copy of GH flora

IMO you can run both using GH style schedules
I have known a few people who ran Lucas Formula using their original 3 part