Whats up with my roots?

[GanjaIsMyLife]

I too am having the same problem can't figure it out for the life of me. No foul smell of root rot but it is there cause when I pulled my last cycle the roots were exactly like yours light brown, not the usual bright white. Didn't even fill the whole pot, looks like i am just gonna bite the bullet and switch to soil.

Have been growing in coco the last 4 years and never had this problem. Has definitely affected my yield. In the veg couldn't get them to grow for the life of me.

I am using canna coco hand watered with H and G nutes.

 

[inreplyavalon]

I too am having the same problem can't figure it out for the life of me. No foul smell of root rot but it is there cause when I pulled my last cycle the roots were exactly like yours light brown, not the usual bright white. Didn't even fill the whole pot, looks like i am just gonna bite the bullet and switch to soil.

Have been growing in coco the last 4 years and never had this problem. Has definitely affected my yield. In the veg couldn't get them to grow for the life of me.

I am using canna coco hand watered with H and G nutes.

Hey there Ganja. What have you tried to solve the issue? ANy fungicides?
I just found a bottle of physan 20 laying around and i am going to give that a whirl. I am seeing the reality of potentially losing some of my cherished cuts and am in tryanything mode.

 

[GanjaIsMyLife]

No fungicides, just enzymes and roots excel.

I backed up my girls by taking cuts and just gonna throw em in ffof as soon as they root.

Pretty upset but what am I gonna do, totally been a set back makes me mad, always been an advocate for coco and cant figure out wtf is going on.

When I pulled roots from the last cycle the rootballs were so fucking pathectic, its frustrating, didn't want to give up cause I love coco but coco dont love me.

Tried to lift a stalk out of the pot to inspect roots, nope not happening bitch doesnt have as strong of legs like im used to.

What coco are you using?

 

[inreplyavalon]

Botanicare dehydrated blocks.
Think i may have used water that was was stagnant to mix up a reservoir a while back. Definitely introduced something unfriendly.

Enzymes and Roots excel are a great combo when things are happy. They will prevent all kinds of nasties. My issue with them is that if a fungus,mold,bacteria is already attacking the roots, neither of those products have anything in them that will kill.

I went overboard and fed my girls 10ml/gallon of physan 20 last night, vaguely remembering that as the amount, after researching today it looks more like 1ml. So i may have inadvertently ended their life. Look fine this morning though...

Itrs weird because the plants all look healthy. Green, lush, just not really growing. It when i look at the roots that i know there is a problem., I also know if i tried to flower them, the root mass would not be able to uptake the nutrients needed to flower. So they are in this terrible limbo...

 

[GanjaIsMyLife]

That's what I noticed as well, plants green and lush, but not kicking it into gear like i am used to.

 

[3dDream]

I grow in cups-n-coco and bottom feed. I had some tan roots and recently added GH subculture-b to the rez (1/2 tsp per 5 gallons). I had white roots in 3 days. The stuff seriously works.

 

[Donald Trump]

yeah i've heard good things on subculture... haven't tried it though. I believe it works best with carbs/molasses for example. I've read the M is better than B for our use though... B is better in high salt levels.

also make sure to keep your reservoir aerated when using.

more i think bout it, I would use half strength nutrients with subculture OR rhizotonic

 

[greenatik]

hey this may be far fetched, but what light cycle schedule are you running? I had some weak clones and veg plants for a while when I was running 24/0, triple root growth since 18/6

 

[inreplyavalon]

I grow in cups-n-coco and bottom feed. I had some tan roots and recently added GH subculture-b to the rez (1/2 tsp per 5 gallons). I had white roots in 3 days. The stuff seriously works.

Thanks for the advice 3d. My plan, as of today, was to hit them hard with physan and h202 and now 12 hours later they are still alive. I will add beneficials and then transplant tomorrow into larger pots.
Its my last ditch effort to save some of these plants. Though i may wake up in the morning with another plan...

The Don i appreciate your insight. I will research some different innoculants. Why do you say subculture OR Rhizo? One is beneficial bacteria and another is a root stimulator, i would think they would go hand in hand.
I am planning on using sensizyme, Roots excellerator, and some trichoderm. Might get some hygrozyme as it was mentioned they are different enzymes than sensizyme and will hopefully help keep my root graveyard of a medium happier

Whats up Greenatik? I am on 18/6 as well.

Concerned about switching to beneficials with so many rotted roots in the medium, but nature is nature and the time comes to trust in her.

 

[Donald Trump]

subculture M is a mycrobiological root innoculant and subculture B is a bacterial root innoculant. I'm not really sure on the exact differences. I just read that B is used in high salt level environments so i figure we don't need the B. You suppose to start with M anyways, even if you don't have roots. I guess rhizo is considered a root stimulator? They are suppose to be great for roots but i wasn't sure if you cud use sub and rhizo together. Not sure how roots excelerator compares to rhizo.

 

[Granger2]

Before inoculating, be sure to flush the physan out, and don't allow the runoff to wick back up. Otherwise the inoculants will be killed. If you use subculture, use both and keep using them for awhile to get them established. And give it a fortnight for the plants to recover. Use hygrozyme, cannazyme, or sensizyme to speed decay of damaged roots. Use a root stimulator as directed. Patience and buena suerte amigo. -granger

 

[inreplyavalon]

subculture M is a mycrobiological root innoculant and subculture B is a bacterial root innoculant. I'm not really sure on the exact differences. I just read that B is used in high salt level environments so i figure we don't need the B. You suppose to start with M anyways, even if you don't have roots. I guess rhizo is considered a root stimulator? They are suppose to be great for roots but i wasn't sure if you cud use sub and rhizo together. Not sure how roots excelerator compares to rhizo.

Cool. If i am going to go beneficials i am going to use the B and M. Any and all. I think Rhizo and roots excel are in fact comparable products. At least fill the same seeling point with their respective business'.


GRANGER
Yeah thanks for the flush reminder. The thought of flushing these girls is scary. I am watching it spread before my eyes.
I killed my oldest and most infected plants this morning. 15 bubba and 15 p.kush. I am thinking it is spreading in the runoff water and being sucked into other pots. It seems i have one tray of 20 that is unaffected at this point and i am going to move it into another room. If i can filll half my bloom room in a month i will feel lucky. looks like my mystic gem, and white lightning moms are going to fall.
I thought i had dealt with all major growth issues, guess not...

 

[inreplyavalon]

subculture M is a mycrobiological root innoculant and subculture B is a bacterial root innoculant. I'm not really sure on the exact differences. I just read that B is used in high salt level environments so i figure we don't need the B. You suppose to start with M anyways, even if you don't have roots. I guess rhizo is considered a root stimulator? They are suppose to be great for roots but i wasn't sure if you cud use sub and rhizo together. Not sure how roots excelerator compares to rhizo.

Cool. If i am going to go beneficials i am going to use the B and M. Any and all. I think Rhizo and roots excel are in fact comparable products. At least fill the same seeling point with their respective business'.


GRANGER
Yeah thanks for the flush reminder. The thought of flushing these girls is scary. I am watching it spread before my eyes.
I killed my oldest and most infected plants this morning. 15 bubba and 15 p.kush. I am thinking it is spreading in the runoff water and being sucked into other pots. It seems i have one tray of 20 that is unaffected at this point and i am going to move it into another room. If i can filll half my bloom room in a month i will feel lucky. looks like my mystic gem, and white lightning moms are going to fall.
I thought i had dealt with all major growth issues, guess not...

 

[3dDream]

'm' is to get things started and 'b' is for regular use. I think you only need b (the shit is expensive), but whatever. Again, all I can tell you is that I have the whitest roots in just a few days. I am also seeing new roots. These plants sit in water for hours until the soak it up.

SubCulture-B is a probiotic inoculum of beneficial microorganisms that will help increase the vitality and yield in all plants. Whether in soil or hydroponics, our proprietary blend of bacteria and trichoderma fungi colonize the root zone and media to form a symbiotic relationship with your plants. Root systems will increase, as well as nutrient absorption; thus creating bigger, healthier plants. Start with SubCulture-M, add SubCulture-B to establish root systems.

 

[Donald Trump]

cool, I'm def going to try it out sometime.

 

[Bob-Hope]

If they were my plants this is what I would do.

I would completely wash all that coco of the root system,( just bob them gently up and down in a mild nute solution)

I would then re-pot them in 1gallon pots of canna coco.

buy some canna A + B from your local shop.

Get some rhizotonic and some cannazyme both made by canna.

Add 1ml of A + B per 1ltr of water and 1ml of rhizotonic.

feed this to your plants and dont water for a day or two, if you see roots after 2 days water, if not leave for 1 more day,on the 3rd day you should see roots, then you can feed little and often until your happy with growth, canna actually recommend that you let coco dry a little on young plants, otherwise root growth can be slow.

This plant below received nothing more that A + B and a little rhizotonic after 2 weeks it was bottom fed 1/2 a ltr a day

Imo i dont think the h202 and physen is doing you any favours, as you said yourself your plants look very healthy just lacking in roots, they dont look like there rotting and they dont smell, I just think they need a dryer pot to encourage root growth.

BoB.

 

[inreplyavalon]

If they were my plants this is what I would do.

I would completely wash all that coco of the root system,( just bob them gently up and down in a mild nute solution)

I would then re-pot them in 1gallon pots of canna coco.

buy some canna A + B from your local shop.

Get some rhizotonic and some cannazyme both made by canna.

Add 1ml of A + B per 1ltr of water and 1ml of rhizotonic.

feed this to your plants and dont water for a day or two, if you see roots after 2 days water, if not leave for 1 more day,on the 3rd day you should see roots, then you can feed little and often until your happy with growth, canna actually recommend that you let coco dry a little on young plants, otherwise root growth can be slow.

This plant below received nothing more that A + B and a little rhizotonic after 2 weeks it was bottom fed 1/2 a ltr a day


Imo i dont think the h202 and physen is doing you any favours, as you said yourself your plants look very healthy just lacking in roots, they dont look like there rotting and they dont smell, I just think they need a dryer pot to encourage root growth.

BoB.

Ok Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. Though I must respectfully disagree that changing the nutrient brand would have any bearing on the health of these plants. I have done what you mention using maxibloom and roots excellurator, washing the coco out, transplanting and watering the same way i have for the last 5 years. It actually gave them a nice root burst and they looked like they may pull around, but not so slowly the death crept throughout. Water frequency or amounts i have also determined are not what is causing the problem. I am well versed with my nutrients and additives.
It brings me no pleasure disagreeing with anyone after i am asking for help, and y'all are so generous with your time, i just simply do because i have used each and every bit of knowledge i possess in troubleshooting these gals and they got the better of me.
I am confident in my skills with the basics of growing in coco and at this point i am certain there is a nasty strain of pathogen that has destroyed the plants depending upon their specific location on certain trays.
I wish i was not so attached to my ladies and was willing to let them perish sooner. I would have likely lost less plants. I grow on shelves and the plants are sick by row.
Anyway i am hoping that i was able to salvage some ladies for next round, and some moms, and if not i got a BIG seed run on the horizon!
Thanks again everyone for participating. If you every end up with round white egg looking fungus on your roots, start quarantine immediately.


3d, now i know. You saved me some cash. Thanks dude.

 

[Granger2]

IRA,

Give us a report in a coupla weeks. I'm interested to see if re-inoculating solves your problem. Buena suerte...

granger

 

[inreplyavalon]

IRA,

Give us a report in a coupla weeks. I'm interested to see if re-inoculating solves your problem. Buena suerte...

granger

Will do. I just found one on a separate tray with the same issue. Actually noticed mold growing on the roots that were poking out the bottom. Going to give them a heavy watering tomorrow to flush out the physan (even though it says it breaks down into nitrogen, just not sure how long that takes) and then reinocculate right after the flush. I've only flushed for excess nutrient in the coco, how do i go about flushing out a fungicide? Do i need to use as much water as a nutrient flush?
Not feeling confident that any plants will survive, but whose nose!!!!!

 

[inreplyavalon]

Ends up i have Root Aphids. Not sure if all these problems were caused by them, or if they came after this root issue, but i am going to assume they caused it, and hope they did as well.
I know they are a bitch, but it sucks even more fighting an unknown.

I am 100% sure they are in my root system and i have fliers.
Let the battle begin. Thanks all for your assistance with this thread.