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DiscoBiscuit

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That's what drolls your argument. At certain point, you drop your initial premise and revert to personal argument. I know you're having fun. It's just disappointing when you, on occasion make pertinent observations. They're lost in a sea of shit talking.

It's not just me. h3ad pounded you like a drum with information and you permeated personal aspects.
 

DiscoBiscuit

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Since dag isn't taking initiative, I'll offer that signs of collapse includes cable and radio blather that mirrors non-fact driven ideology, historic revisionism and little else. Don't mind less than factual belief systems but IMO, their tactics fail to enlighten and more often than not, bolster the us-vs-them mentality.
 

dagnabit

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^yeah that!!!

it's what happens when two diametrically opposed type A personalties share space(be it cyber or irl)
 

dagnabit

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no, not just you. i came away from that thinking dag = troll. and nothing he's posted since has convinced me otherwise.
if dissent=troll im your huckleberry...

can you please point out where i personally attacked h3ad or DB?

no?

neither can they ;)
 

SpasticGramps

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lol How about Afghanistan has more rule of law than the US?

While Criminal US Bankers Receive Golden Parachutes, Barbarian Afghanistan Has Just Arrested Executives Of Failed Kabul Bank
Sometimes it is good to put things in perspective when comparing developed democracies like America and barbaric despotic dictatorships like Afghanistan. In one country, radioactively orange criminal heads of imploded mortgage lenders, who are responsible for billions in losses at rescued companies that will soon require more taxpayer bailouts, received multi million dollar golden parachute severance packages and slips on the write from the country's "regulators." In the other, former executives of a major failed bank have been arrested over huge fraud that led to its near collapse, while the head of its central bank flees to the first country on fears of prosecutions. Take a wild guess which country is which...

Or when the rats start jumping off the ship? Timmy Giethner is considering leaving after a debt deal is reached (if one is reached?).
 

HempKat

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HK was pointing out a hypocritical statement of mine. :tiphat:

No I was suggesting why sandawg assumed you were a republican, it was dagnabit that was being hypocritical by playing the same kind of word games he accuses DB of playing.
 

dagnabit

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games?
no word games @ all!!!

i was wrong but there were no word games.

i didn't hint,insinuate,beat around the bush, create new context....

i flat out made the (wrong in this instance) statement. how is that a DB style word game?
 

mrcreosote

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I think I'll know the worst has come when the little hottie that delivers my mail would look better on my BBQ grill than on my front porch.
 

DiscoBiscuit

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When the FDA allows drug manufacturers to release new drugs that take 10 seconds to advertise and 50 seconds to disclaimer their side-effects.
 

SpasticGramps

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Pretty bold call coming out of ZeroHedge.

T-Minus Two Months Until The $500 Billion Rolling Debt Ticking Timebomb Goes Off

Ever since the famous Stanley Druckenmiller Op Ed published in early May, which called for an outright default of the US, saying it would not be the end of the world, and in fact the US would emerge stronger as a result of finally taking the first steps to getting its fiscal house in order, there has been a visible shift regarding the US debt ceiling discussion, with republicans (so far) digging in and refusing to budge on the issue. After all, on the surface Druckenmiller is absolutely correct: with interest rates near record lows for the past 3 years, interest payments would be manageable for a long time even if general rates were to surge due to the Treasury's fixing of low cash coupons over the past 3-4 years, amounting to about 20-30% of all annual tax receipts. There is however one very big problem with this argument, one which we pointed out back in April 2010 when we said that "What people don't realize is that...unless the UST can roll its debt not on a monthly but now weekly basis in greater and greater amounts, the interest rate doesn't matter. All it takes is one semi-failed auction and it's game over as hundreds of billions in bills become payable." Enter the always forgotten maturing debt argument. And as a just released presentation by the Bipartisan Policy Center titled "Debt Limit Analysis" reminds us, aside from the actual deficit funding math, which is that in August there is a $134.3 billion cash shortfall that has to be funded with debt, there is a far greater risk. Or, put numerically, 467.4 billion far greater risks. This is the amount of debt that matures through August 31, and has to be rolled over or the US is bankrupt... in every sense of the word. Once again, America's politicians and media get broadsided by the definition of gross versus net. Because, in reality, the inability to issue more debt post August 3 means a halt to all new debt issuance. Which, unfortunately because it means Geithner's scaremongering is actually correct, would imply the end for the debt ponzi.

Below is the maturity schedule in August from the BPC:
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And their commentary, which recaps what we said 14 months ago:

Treasury must “roll over” almost $500 b in debt that matures during August 2011
New debt is issued and the proceeds are used to repay the maturing debt plus interest due
Treasury will require market access throughout August to avoid defaulting on maturing debt
About $380 b in short-term T-Bills maturing, plus $90 b in long-term securities
Quarterly refunding auction on August 15

And that's not it. On a Net basis, there is in addition another $134.3 billion in deficit that must be satisfied somehow. Alas, after August 3rd it will become impossible to plunder savings accounts going forward which means a game over in the kick the can down the road game:
funding%207.1_0.jpg


As a reminder we are now 32 days away from D-Day, and about 60 days from the need to fund half a trillion, all of it with new gross debt issuance.

To date, there has been no progress in D.C. at all. Will there be progress in the next 4 weeks? They better, or as demonstrated, the extend and pretend game, contrary to the well-meaning intentions of the likes of Drucknemiller, is about to come to a very violent end.
 

SpasticGramps

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And all along I thought Texas was going to be the epi-center of the secession movement.

History in the making ladies and gentlemen. The part of this that I find fasicnating as that we are just getting started.

Official Calls For Riverside, 12 Other Counties To Secede From California CBS
Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone apparently thinks so, after proposing that the county lead a campaign for as many as 13 Southern California counties to secede from the state.

Stone said in a statement late Thursday that Riverside, Imperial, San Diego, Orange, San Bernardino, Kings, Kern, Fresno, Tulare, Inyo, Madera, Mariposa and Mono counties should form the new state of South California.

The creation of the new state would allow officials to focus on securing borders, balancing budgets, improving schools and creating a vibrant economy, he said.

“Our taxes are too high, our schools don’t educate our children well enough, unions and other special interests have more clout in the Legislature than the general public,” Stone said in his statement.

He unveiled his proposal on the day Gov. Jerry Brown signed budget legislation that will divert about $14 million in 2011-12 vehicle license fee revenue from four new Riverside County cities.

Officials fear the cut will cripple the new cities of Eastvale, Jurupa Valley, Menifee and Wildomar.

Stone said he would present his proposal to the Board of Supervisors July 12.

The new state would have no term limits, only a part-time legislature and limits on property taxes.
 

DiscoBiscuit

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I wish somebody would do it, if only to show others what not to do. Preferably a state with lots of room to entice their national brethren to relocate.
 

joeuser

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I wish somebody would do it, if only to show others what not to do. Preferably a state with lots of room to entice their national brethren to relocate.

Like the south tried to do? We know how successful they were. so much for a "voluntary union of states". The US is the roach motel of the world...all the roaches keep coming in...yet any state that disagrees can't leave.

Besides...southern california is where ALL the problems are! I'd bet the NORTH is more anxious for this than the south!
 

sandawg

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Like the south tried to do? We know how successful they were. so much for a "voluntary union of states". The US is the roach motel of the world...all the roaches keep coming in...yet any state that disagrees can't leave.

Besides...southern california is where ALL the problems are! I'd bet the NORTH is more anxious for this than the south!

I just finished watching the last episode of The Wire. I had to wait for each disc to come from Netflix b/c you can't stream it, so it took me awhile. Anyways, this entire argument just makes me laugh.

It wasn't until the last few minutes of The Wire's final episode that I realized what the show was really about. It pitted people who will stop at nothing to advance their careers against those who are trying to make the world a better place.

The sobering reality is that society rewards the career-driven over those who act selflessly. McNulty, Freamon, Colvin were the few that tried to improve the world. Rawls, Burrell, Marlo, Barksdale were only out for themselves. Then there were the people caught in the middle.

The quote above from the idiot politician strikes me as someone who is simply out to advance his career. Its stupid, the entire conversation. I probably shouldn't have even posted on the topic, but I wanted to throw in my two cents about The Wire.

At least half of our country is brainwashed into thinking that less gov't regulation is somehow better for them personally. Until those people, like Gramps and Grapeman, wake the fuck up, we are fucking screwed.
 
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