Vertical bare bulbs without ac or co2?

[ijim]

Anybody ever use those in line iceboxes and a chiller. I was thinking. hang the hoods on the ceiling to use as plenums and heat collectors. The lights hung under with a vertical fan under them. A icebox then filter on the inlet a icebox on the outlet of the hoods run to a y pulled by the can fan and exhausted at the fans under the lights. Then where ever he is exhausting the hoods to now can bring in fresh air and pressurize the room. 4800 watts is pretty damn aggressive for a space limited fresh air and exhaust capabilities. 2400watts and rotating the pots seems to work a bit better to me. 4 iceboxes, 50 gal reservoir and a decent chiller? I just don't have a clue if the iceboxes are as advertised.

 

[Grizz]

they do work but the one i saw did 1 1000 w hps and it exausted air out at 82 degress, i have wanted to build a bigger one that you could actually cool the grow room with but damn your spending more on a chiller and elect to run it that can be spent on a good a/c unit and just get the hot air out of the grow area.

 

[turbolaser4528]

How many watts will this ice-air-chiller require??



I believe it. Forgot what I was gonna say. O yeah cooltubes are a pain in the ass, I want 2 bare naked 600whps' in a 3.5'x3.5' at 75-81 degrees $@% damnit!

I'm also intoxicated on glorious herbals from the west coast, maybe it was from one of you guys, YEA RIGHT!

 

[Hammerhead]

Does it taste like Labrador JK


That's a small area for 2 600 to keep below 80F. If yo add some big intake and exhaust fans you might do it. I would think you will need 6 or 8" inline for that. I have a 5x5x10 with a 12k Portable in the room with it. It takes up a lot of space so I can only fit 4 10g pots in there. If I take it out I can fit 2 more 10g pots. I did some number crunching and in my space it seems 4 10g pots is my sweet spot. They can grow as big as they want with no restrictions. I like getting lbs instead of oz. I dont normally grow in the summer do to the pge expense.

 

[turbolaser4528]

damn dude, I was thinking 3 gal smart pots could yield 4-8 zips in a tent like that, no?

What do you think about 2 levels of plants, or 16 per tent, and with either 2 600's or a 6-1k on a light mover? vert tent w lightmover would be sweet, especially if there were two of them side by side on a flip-flop. idk

 

[Hammerhead]

yes you can but will Probably need more lumen's what about a scrog. At DGS she can do 8 oz in a 2g pot but she has 10k or more If I can remember. she also veg's the plants for 4-6 weeks. I wont even come close to her yield. I will get a lb from 3 plants.

I would keep it 600 there more efficient the 1k. So multiple 6's you should get massive yields. I have 0 experience with light movers. With such a small space and 2 bulbs in there anyway I dont think a mover is needed.

 

[Donald Trump]

if you want to run real trees vertically, then 4 is the most you will fit in a 10 x 10 flower room and 5 1k's is the max you should use, or four 600's and one 1k (middle light). I recommend a 14 inch Can Max-Fan and 14 inch insulated duct exhausting your air into the attic.

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No c02 unless it's a completely sealed room with a proper A/C. So in your case, no c02.

 

[turbolaser4528]

yes you can but will Probably need more lumen's what about a scrog. At DGS she can do 8 oz in a 2g pot but she has 10k or more If I can remember. she also veg's the plants for 4-6 weeks. I wont even come close to her yield. I will get a lb from 3 plants.

I would keep it 600 there more efficient the 1k. So multiple 6's you should get massive yields. I have 0 experience with light movers. With such a small space and 2 bulbs in there anyway I dont think a mover is needed.

Thank you sir!

I'm feeling (2 x 600w) hps' in a 4x4x7 tent, perhaps the light mover could increase GPW and cut electric bill inhalf, but less lumens like you said..

Exhaust hot air from tents via A/C (stealthily somehow) or Co2 the room via tanks or burner (more heat ahh!!) ??

Is a 12-15btu window unit sufficient to cool 2 1200w, 4 x 4 tents, each with 8" inline fans w/ big carbonFilter, in an average sized bedroom (10x14) ?

Shieet, 2400w flower in a one befroom apartment, am I crazy?

 

[zor]

thats wrong in my book, get that hot filtered air out of the room, why keep the room your tent is in hot, makes no sense,

there is a mini split used to cool the grow in the room. if it were not for this mini split, id have to exhaust outside (not stealthy for me), or let my central ac do work in my house which is inefficient.

 

[Hammerhead]

Are you going vertical? Window units suck. I have had a lot of discussions regarding window unit vs Portable. Window units can be more efficient then the portables but imo the portability of the unit out ways the efficiency. I use a LG 12K that has a built in dehumidifier. This unit has saved my crops more then 1x. The only drawback I have is they need to have a drain line installed or a bucket to catch the water. I use a 5g bucket that takes 2-3 weeks to fill.


Im not into the sealed room with co2. That's a huge expense to get that equipment. I did have a Co2 system and I got the least expensive unit I could find and I still spent about 700$ and then the monthly cost for Co2.


What do you want. 1-2lbs to smoke or 10lbs to sale. Ya you so crazy lol. I personal dont need more then a few lbs. I have a harvest every 4 months anyway. I try to keep it as simple as possible.

 

[turbolaser4528]

Ok, excellent.

going vertical in 2 side by side 1200w 4x4s on a flip w big scrubber exhaust at top of tent. Will try it without cooltubes, lets see if I can keep that biznatch cool with a 12-15but ac.

Would prefer window over portable A.c. because I think it is less conspicuous n more stealth, but I can you enlighten me on how you make that piped exhaust look stealth in a window??


Am I really crazy or was that not a joke? dont want the power companies giving me up bro!! hahaha i is not a med crd holder

 

[Hammerhead]

Your going to have a big ass unit haging out of the window unless you built a window box. Portables only have a tube 4"x6" that goes out the window. If this is what you like thats fine it will work. I would go with 15k or even a 25k.

 

[Guest 88950]

Ok, excellent.

going vertical in 2 side by side 1200w 4x4s on a flip w big scrubber exhaust at top of tent. Will try it without cooltubes, lets see if I can keep that biznatch cool with a 12-15but ac.


good luck on controlling the temps.

i have a 600w / 400w bare bulb vert in a 4x4 SJ tent and im having higher temps than id like so im going to a higher cfm intake/extraction fan.

im replacing the 400 with another 600 and i have cool tubes just in case they are needed.

 

[Hookah79]

Old thread,but useful info.I am running with the same issue,2x(10x10)bare bulbs.I don't wanna use ac or co2.I am using intake/exhaust fan for the one room while I get the other one wrapped up.

Problem is I am going to have to get the basement air replaced somehow or the air from furnace or house ac will get sucked thru.I am exhausting the air outdoors.I just leave a small window cracked in the basement while its cold,but I don't know how it will turn out in the summer.My buddy suggested to run an intake duct to my furnace to supply it with fresh air .

My intake fans are 8inch each.So are my exhaust.I just run the intake half the cfm of the exhaust.

Is it needed to run a second ac in the basement to be used in what I want to call a lung room?

Has anyone done this?

 

[Pendleton]

Interesting dialog, thanks for bumping Hookah.

 

[SmokinErb22]

I recirculate air around my whole basement. I do use an AC to keep temps exactly where I want them but I've gone weeks with it off still with 80f temps. Can keep it mid 70s with AC.

I have two 12" fans exhausting my flower room. The flower room's intake is the veg rooms exhaust. Veg room intake is my main basement room (kind of a lung) where the flower room is exhausted, and my AC/Huey/dehuey/etc is located.

For fresh air I use a couple 4" vortex fans pulling outside air in from under the house (basement is like 3/4 basement, 1/4 is a crawlspace that stays cool year round). This creates positive pressure and thus my basement *very slowly* leaks. However with 2000cfm exhausting/scrubbing and two more 6" fan/filters recirculating/ scrubbing.....there's no odors escaping.

All duct vents for central ac/heat were taped off with foil tape to prevent much being pulled from there.

 

[Hookah79]

I recirculate air around my whole basement. I do use an AC to keep temps exactly where I want them but I've gone weeks with it off still with 80f temps. Can keep it mid 70s with AC.

I have two 12" fans exhausting my flower room. The flower room's intake is the veg rooms exhaust. Veg room intake is my main basement room (kind of a lung) where the flower room is exhausted, and my AC/Huey/dehuey/etc is located.

For fresh air I use a couple 4" vortex fans pulling outside air in from under the house (basement is like 3/4 basement, 1/4 is a crawlspace that stays cool year round). This creates positive pressure and thus my basement *very slowly* leaks. However with 2000cfm exhausting/scrubbing and two more 6" fan/filters recirculating/ scrubbing.....there's no odors escaping.

All duct vents for central ac/heat were taped off with foil tape to prevent much being pulled from there.

What type of ac are you using?Is your furnace room sealed?

I was thinking about busting the glass block in the basement and installing a fan just to bring fresh air in.Or maybe putting one in an 4x4 enclosure room where the sum pump sits.It's cooler than the rest of the basement.Maybe drill half a dozen holes thru the mortar so air comes from outside than install a 6 inch fan between sum pump room and the rest of basement.

I guess my main concern would be in the summer.A lot of people i know just end up adding a 3 ton ac in the basement in one big grow room.Where i am trying to accommodate 2 smaller ones taking 2/3 of the basement.

 

[Fly by Night]

I was thinking about busting the glass block in the basement and installing a fan just to bring fresh air in.

Yes u need access to outside air it's Ben crucial to my production in the NE. you can get a small rectangular window for the glass block, it's equivalent surface area to 8" round, leaving off the screen. This will preferable blow into a window well, or somehow diffused into the rear of the house. 8" vortex moves a nice rush, enough to wave the lawn around a bit. Exhausting out in warm months, basement air or portable AC.

Draw in during cooler weather, putting intake on the 12/12 with the lights. You can also drill this hole above ur sill plate 6" largest hole i make. Can be hidden behind dryer vent cover easily.

Pics to follow promise. Peace

 

[SmokinErb22]

What type of ac are you using?Is your furnace room sealed?

I was thinking about busting the glass block in the basement and installing a fan just to bring fresh air in.Or maybe putting one in an 4x4 enclosure room where the sum pump sits.It's cooler than the rest of the basement.Maybe drill half a dozen holes thru the mortar so air comes from outside than install a 6 inch fan between sum pump room and the rest of basement.

I guess my main concern would be in the summer.A lot of people i know just end up adding a 3 ton ac in the basement in one big grow room.Where i am trying to accommodate 2 smaller ones taking 2/3 of the basement.

Mine's just a 12k btu portable. Don't even really need it, I mostly just use it to bring my night time temps down to get the nice colors. The basement is already pretty nicely insulated and stays cool in general.

During the summer, I only run my fans bringing air in at night when the air is coolest. I just set 'em on a timer from 10PM - 8 AM. I haven't noticed any negative effects not having fresh air pumped in during the other hours. Seems to me they get enough fresh air from the central AC/Heat pushing air into the basement. The only vents I tape up are the ones in the grow room. Vents in the lung area (If you want to call it that) are open. Gets too cold down there otherwise, and I'm sure the cool air helps during the summer.

I haven't yet grown through the hottest months of summer with this set-up, only the fading heat as fall comes on. I've got a 25k btu window unit on hand just in case, though.

 

[Chunkypigs]

boy all the big guns shot the op right down on the 1st page. can't be done? could have fooled me…
(EDIT: Mea Culpa, I didn't read the OP carefully where he was talking 8-6's the big guns were right)

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my 2K bare bulb with no AC works summer and winter. intake open window with light trap with a 12" fan with variac and carbon filter to attic or living space depending on the weather.
I flower at night and my room is 4-5 degrees over ambient. humidity is a bigger issue in the summer than the heat. I ran 3 lights in here once but it was overkill.

I say it works fine and this is on the 2nd floor not in a basement which would help if I had one.

8' x 6' x 7 high
can fit 12 per trough but I usually run 7-9.
the bottom 2 troughs get less light so I run it like a perpetual and let them move to a higher shelf after their first few weeks of stretch.