Step 2. How To institute Jury Nullification.

[Hash Zeppelin]

Real civil Disobedience is complicated, organization and state cooperation is required. This is how to get Nullification to work and help end what I, and millions of others view as Federal Fascism. The Power is in the people if we yield it, and it can be done with zero violence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26g0rWwvYVY&feature=related
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Mr Douglas and Whitlow discuss how nullification might work to overcome usurpations by federal officials and agents after first examining the difficulties of reform through election or litigation.

http://vimeo.com/9032675
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Jon Roland explains his proposal for legislation for the Texas Legislature that would establish a Federal Action Review Commission to decide whether federal actions are unconstitutional, require state agents ot to cooperate with them, and urge citizens to resist them. With Lela Pittenger. Austin Constitution Meetup Jan. 25, 2010.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMXHLx6o_7Y&feature=related
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State nullification explained. Wise Jefferson Quotes included.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Bump

Everybody was all gung ho about the other jury nullification thread. now that I post one that actually explains how to do it know body cares... oh wait, maybe it's just cause it is Saturday. everybody is out doing there thing.

 

[Sam the Caveman]

Hey Hash Zepplin, I love this topic, its right up my alley.

I've gotten so disgusted with the system, I've almost tried to forget about it. Judges are biased toward the state and lawyers know judicial schinannigandry so well as to overwhelm a inexpensive lawyer or a pro se defendant, it's disgusting. Its like someone who's never played call of duty to start a game against a team who are experts in the game and they kill him before he even figures out how to fire his weapon.

So, as a result of bias judges and wizard lawyers, only the people who can afford the top lawyers get a real chance of justice.

The last success story of jury nullification, I wouldn't even call it a success, was of a guy who only got sentenced to, if I remember correctly, 3 years in jail instead of 9, I think it was. The jury nullified the case, but because the defendant admitted to the court that he did something wrong, the judge still got to sentence him. The jury said no, but the judge used some bullshit judicial president to still assume the power of conviction. Its a total sham.

Sure it would be nice to be able to overturn federal laws that overstep the bounds placed upon them by the constitution, but how can we begin to do something like that when the local courts are in such disarray?

I know I sound pessimistic here, but dam if its not reality.

Example of local kangaroo court;

I got a ticket for not renewing the tag on my truck in a timely manner. Alright, I took the ticket, went home and started reading the code for my state and found out that according to the law, only the state tax commission can access fines or fees in relation to late tag renewals and any new authority to fine had to have written consent from them. I found this in a section of code that has nothing to do with municipal courts. (traffic court) All the traffic stuff has their own section of the code, of which I could not find any specifics on fines for non-renewal of tags or even eluding to the fact that they want you to renew it at all, only that you get it. So at my first court appearance, I watched several other people willingly pay $175. One guy told the judge it wasn't even his truck, judge said tuff luck. I requested a trial, and they were offended to the point of intimidating with remarks of "this guy doesn't think he has to register his vehicle (snickering and laughing)" "we'll just double his fine" "If you request a trial, your court costs will be very high." I said, alright, sign me up. The looks in everyone's eyes was priceless, as if "Oh my gosh, he is challenging them." They sign me up and I leave. I come back at the next court date and they dismiss my case, no fine at all. Bluffing bastards, they know they are getting away with illegally fining people $175.

Its downright disgusting, F'ing crooks, and they know they are!

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^yup. Those videos i posted explain just how to legally start a state grand to institute jury nullification and directly judge sate and federal laws that some or all people see unconstitutional.

 

[Horsemanrocks]

HZ...possibly the lack of reply is due to the weekend....another possibility is complacency. I admire your ability to gather information and present it well, while I don't have that skill I'll always support those that do.

I'd rep you again if I could.

HMR

 

[Milhouse]

Hey Hash, I am very interested in checking out these links, no time right now though. This seems like a great thread topic and I am surprised as well that noone is taking to it. Like others before me have said, Thank you for assembling the info! I am sure a few people will put it to good use!

 

[EastFortRock]

I care. I say be cool during the interview and get on the jury.

 

[paladin420]

I care. I say be cool during the interview and get on the jury.

Yeap. I think I might even get a hair cut. thanks for the yoemans work HZ

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^your welcome amigo

 

[budlover123]

Jury nullification is too honest to deal with these types, as long as our laws are working against us, I say jury sabotage. Just make up some bullshit reason why you won't convict the person guilty like they made up some bullshit to put them on trial in the first place (assuming we're talking a marijuana related case)

a little of the ol' fight fire with fire.

(I'd like to point out that this is another problem with marijuana law, for the person who's life is enhanced by marijuana, the law becomes a greyer area than it should be)

 

[Sam the Caveman]

Also, most folks who are cannabis friendly will avoid jury duty like the plague. They will find any excuse they can to avoid it. This doesn't help our cause at all, it hurts it.

 

[paladin420]

Also, most folks who are cannabis friendly will avoid jury duty like the plague. They will find any excuse they can to avoid it. This doesn't help our cause at all, it hurts it.

Yes Sir..This is where I am workin. On our fellow believers and their families.. This is a MMJ state and the judge won't let that be mentioned?? Come the fuck on, Even the straits see the wrong in that.. Keep on fightin on

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^if it is a federal judge they don't give a shit about state laws usually. They also dont care about lying to you about what the law actually is. They just want there conviction so they can have an excuse to have a job where they get power and dont actually have to work. then their lazy fat pompous asses, sit on the bench and call an outdoor pot farmer lazy, and send him to jail for 20 years. then he goes home to his big tax payer payed for house, and drinks some 40 year old scotch, and laughs about your case.

 

[paladin420]

^if it is a federal judge they don't give a shit about state laws usually. They also dont care about lying to you about what the law actually is. They just want there conviction so they can have an excuse to have a job where they get power and dont actually have to work. then their lazy fat pompous asses, sit on the bench and call an outdoor pot farmer lazy, and send him to jail for 20 years. then he goes home to his big tax payer payed for house, and drinks some 40 year old scotch, and laughs about your case.

Wonder if any of them would like to follow this pot farmer for a moonlight jaunt along the ridges down to the swamps???

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

lol

 

[amannamedtruth]

http://www.fija.org Fully INformed Jury Association

Here's a new thing...Jury Independence Illustrated.

 

[trichrider]

"Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community,
and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever
the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means
of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new
government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and
destructive of the good and happiness of mankind."

this excerpt makes me all warm and content, the fact that twelve of twelve of the jurors will never see it brings me out of reverie.
....from a link in the above post!!!
http://www.fija.org/docs/JG_state_language_on_jury_nullification.pdf

 

[Señor Chang]

Thanks for the two good threads.
A glimmer of hope for those who have otherwise given up on the land of the free.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

"Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community,
and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever
the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means
of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new
government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and
destructive of the good and happiness of mankind."

this excerpt makes me all warm and content, the fact that twelve of twelve of the jurors will never see it brings me out of reverie.
....from a link in the above post!!!
http://www.fija.org/docs/JG_state_language_on_jury_nullification.pdf

try to argue that point with the federal government in court, and they will argue with you about how they are not hindering your freedom, and then they will tell you it's illegal to challenge them like that (which is a lie). Then they go on lying and, telling you how it is for your own good and how you are lucky to live here. Then they will continue to trample your freedom and hold you in contempt of court for citing the constitution.

honestly I think Jury nullification will work as a helping tool, but we also need some serious protest in huge number to let people know about it. nullification is almost un known in America these days. We should be shutting down federal, and state courts for unjust cases. Every time some dispensary owner has to go to court and is denied states rights we should shut down the court in whatever means necessary, as long as you don't get violent. Unfortunately violence will immediately discredit us. Other than that I have no real care if some crooked judges meets a Guillotine. My education is what keeps me peaceful, not my temper. If I was dumb I would be out head hunting judges and politicians right now. that is how much i hate them. Luckily though I have read history and seen that it is not effective in America.

 

[paladin420]

I Still say next year april 20,2012 we all just set the fuck down right on the court house steps and medicate. Legal States only This poster takes no rerponibility for bad shit.