Colorado Growers Thread

[spunion]

I don't see how the new law will be enforced. I can still be a care-provider for non-debilitated people right? If anything this will make it harder for debilitated people to get a care provider who is willing to give out free meds...since the care providers will try to avoid debilitated clients as it would look bad to just provide them with meds and not home nurse type care.

Who's idea was it to attach medical marijuana to home nursing? Like every single mmj patient requires a nurse. Maybe 5% (being generous).

This does open the door for care givers to make more money if they want to start a legal MMJ home nursing business. Legal = insurance money

 

[RockyMountainHi]

Who's idea was it to attach medical marijuana to home nursing? Like every single mmj patient requires a nurse. Maybe 5% (being generous).

BACK THE TRUCK UP,,, if she is tall, shapely and has a pulse - I need a nurse.

 

[merlot]

I don't see how the new law will be enforced. I can still be a care-provider for non-debilitated people right? If anything this will make it harder for debilitated people to get a care provider who is willing to give out free meds...since the care providers will try to avoid debilitated clients as it would look bad to just provide them with meds and not home nurse type care.

Who's idea was it to attach medical marijuana to home nursing? Like every single mmj patient requires a nurse. Maybe 5% (being generous).

This does open the door for care givers to make more money if they want to start a legal MMJ home nursing business. Legal = insurance money

Here it is layed out:

A PRIMARY CARE-GIVER SHALL HAVE SIGNIFICANT RESPONSIBILITY FOR MANAGING THE WELL-BEING OF A PATIENT WITH A DEBILITATING CONDITION. THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A PRIMARY CARE-GIVER AND PATIENT IS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT RELATIONSHIP THAT IS MORE THAN PROVISION OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA OR MEDICAL MARIJUANA PARAPHENALIA. SERVICES BEYOND THE PROVISION OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA THAT MAY BE PROVIDED BY THE PRIMARY CARE-GIVER INCLUDE, BUT SHALL NOT BE LIMITED TO, CONSULTATION AND EDUCATION ON ITS USE IN RELATION TO THE PATIENT’S CONDITION, TRANSPORTATION, HOUSEKEEPING, MEAL PREPARATION, SHOPPING, OR MAKING ARRANGMENTS FOR ACCESS TO MEDICAL CARE OR NON-MEDICAL MARIJUANA SERVICES. IF PATIENTS DO NOT REQUIRE CARE-GIVER SERVICE OTHER THAN THE PROVISION OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA, THEN THE PATIENTS SHALL NOT DESIGNATE A PRIMARY CARE-GIVER.

 

[spunion]

Oh wow, that is a bummer, missed that before. I guess it kinda makes it so you have to be a MMC to provide MMJ now.

 

[merlot]

Guess they want everyone growing in all their homes now instead..

 

[Tripsick]

Guess they want everyone growing in all their homes now instead..

just 3 plants over 8 x 8 and 3 plants under 8 x 8 inches or they are mature.

 

[merlot]

just 3 plants over 8 x 8 and 3 plants under 8 x 8 inches or they are mature.

Where did you get that from?

 

[dragging hooks]

BACK THE TRUCK UP,,, if she is tall, shapely and has a pulse - I need a nurse.

Got one, a six footer, have for 30+ years
up at 4 freakin 30am to hang with her before she goes to work

we were wondering if a caregiver stopped and grabbed a pizza
on the way over to a patients house to deliver their weed
if that would satisfy the new rules

 

[Rednick]

we were wondering if a caregiver stopped and grabbed a pizza
on the way over to a patients house to deliver their weed
if that would satisfy the new rules

Beer and cigarettes!

 

[cobcoop]

Guess they want everyone growing in all their homes now instead..

They want A. patients to go to MMC's so they can collect tax revenue, or B. people going to jail and having their assets seized for providing meds to patients per amendment 20. That's what happens when tax collectors, law enforcement, and corporate interests write the laws. This is still america after all...

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

is this sponsored by the big wig disp owners?? sounds like its made to eliminate small caregivers making disp the only way to legally acquire meds....

 

[BudGood]

I think I'm just gonna fuck off the caregiver thing, and just grow for myself/friends. Sick of all these new bullshit rules every other week, the black market has always been WAY more respectful of my wares anyway... My rec says "Patient requires additional plants due to medical condition", not one mention of exactly how many I can grow, just additional.

Fuck these rules, and double fuck these politicians who think screwing around with our medication is good business.

 

[Snoopster]

and just grow for myself/friends..

Myself and three friends have no caregiver listed, but we are ready to name anyone caregiver that needs it immediately.


We bring each other beer, food (pizza, wings, subs) and weed all the time, does that make us each other's caregivers?

 

[IncredibowlBoss]

As I see it from talking with MMCs, caregivers, lobbyists, blah blah blah, it breaks down like this:

If you wanna be a private caregiver for a bunch of patients, they better be some legit sick people (and even then, you've got a cap of how many patients. You *can* get around the loop hole by giving your patients rides/bringing them food/etc., but if they're capable of doing that themselves, as Merlot posted above, they shouldn't be designating primary caregivers.

Now, as a patient, you can cultivate up to your limit - in the case of myself and Budgood (and anyone else who got their rec from a clever doc), this is a limit that is not specified by the physician, but is left to the patient to decide (though local municipal restrictions may apply).

This brings us back to the original question that Amendment 20 created: how the fuck do I turn the 3 flowering plants that the law allows into only the 2 ounces that the law allows (or scale as appropriate for plant count at the final dry weight of 18.7g/plant)? The answer also rests in Amendment 20 (Section 14.b):

"Medical use" means the acquisition, possession, production, use, or transportation of marijuana or paraphernalia related to the administration of such marijuana to address the symptoms or effects of a patient's debilitating medical condition

So if I'm patient who's producing, that's legal - if you're a patient acquiring, that's legal, and to remain compliant with the law, I need to find a legal place for 10 grams out of every ounce I grow. I've spent quite a bit of time and money in cultivating that bud, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna lose that money just because the plant(s) yielded above their legal limits - and since I'm allowed to produce and you're allowed to acquire, and no mention neither permitting nor preventing compensation is in the law, I can sell you my extra meds or vice versa.

There is *no* requirement for individual patients to register their gardens or to track their plants - only caregivers & MMCs.

 

[Rednick]

Oh, the first court battles on this one are going to be Juicy.

Just like back in '09 when the movement was setting 'precedence' for 'affirmative defense', and higher plant counts.

So glad our 'Medical' is Constitutional!

Get to hide behind the Constitution, yet again.

"Porn!
Defending your First Amendment rights.
Because it's not prostitution if your video tapping it and selling it."

Does it feel like a last effort by the State gov, dying effort of a dying breed?
All this is meant to scare you. If they can't scare you, then they actually have to address the problems in this country.
'Member, they work for us. And they can't borrow money indefinitely.


Would really be funny if they knew how many of their 'second homes' were being rented out by growers, and thus saving them from foreclosure, and keeping their home values high as there is still housing demand. I think about that every-time I drive through cookie cutter suburbia.

 

[whateverman]

Did not see this coming.


Saw it coming in Arizona, and see the writing on the wall in Michigan. But in Colorado? I thought you guys had this shit wrapped up tight...


Sorry to hear it, guys. TBH I'm considering changing my short-term plans because of this. Maybe I'm paranoid.

 

[Dorje113]

There is the option to be a patient, complying with all the laws and regulations, and still continue to do what you did as a "caregiver", which IMO, it makes no sense for anyone to wish to be a caregiver, much less comply with all these regulations for cgs.

Am 20 gives patients the right to acquire mmj, and there is nothing in any of the new laws or regs preventing a patient from selling to another patient a maximum of 2 oz, more if they have a dr's rec.

While you might only be able to legally possess a certain amount of "finished" product, there is no regs defining what "finished" means, and "curing" does not imply that it is finished. So, I would have a processing area for weed to cure in, before it is considered "finished", making sure I don't have too much weight in my storage area for "finished" product.

 

[whateverman]

There is the option to be a patient, complying with all the laws and regulations, and still continue to do what you did as a "caregiver", which IMO, it makes no sense for anyone to wish to be a caregiver, much less comply with all these regulations for cgs.

Am 20 gives patients the right to acquire mmj, and there is nothing in any of the new laws or regs preventing a patient from selling to another patient a maximum of 2 oz, more if they have a dr's rec.

While you might only be able to legally possess a certain amount of "finished" product, there is no regs defining what "finished" means, and "curing" does not imply that it is finished. So, I would have a processing area for weed to cure in, before it is considered "finished", making sure I don't have too much weight in my storage area for "finished" product.

My ole doc in colorado springs recommended me for 25 plants, too. Dunno how that will hold in court. But it's his recommendation nonetheless.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

There is the option to be a patient, complying with all the laws and regulations, and still continue to do what you did as a "caregiver", which IMO, it makes no sense for anyone to wish to be a caregiver, much less comply with all these regulations for cgs.

Am 20 gives patients the right to acquire mmj, and there is nothing in any of the new laws or regs preventing a patient from selling to another patient a maximum of 2 oz, more if they have a dr's rec.

While you might only be able to legally possess a certain amount of "finished" product, there is no regs defining what "finished" means, and "curing" does not imply that it is finished. So, I would have a processing area for weed to cure in, before it is considered "finished", making sure I don't have too much weight in my storage area for "finished" product.

michigan law is about the same with the finished product... that odnt mean shit though... we just had a guy get raided he cut the plants 2 days before they wree hang drying... bagged that shit up as is and said it was usable...

the law dont mean shit in court. the way its interpreted to us is not the way the judges and lawyers look at it. We had a guy that had his door unlocked because of a family emergency he rushed out the house.. . if your illegal in any way in mi. they throw out ANY medical defense.

we just convicted a 80year old lady for that shit. the powers to be dont give a shit about u or the laws... they give us something to stand on. but it dont mean that its stable...

 

[Canniwhatsis]

I had informed my patients to find new CG's when they first proposed this shit,.... now I just grow for myself and wife. I've turned off over half my lights and am collecting heirloom tomato and pepper seeds to re-start an indoor garden.