Diabetes....

[Desiderata]

Thank you bro!

Thank you bro!

Hey Des....

Counting carbs has been the traditional method of fighting diabetes, but as always happens, new findings from new studies can change things. There is a book by this guy, Dr. Neal Barnard, and he sites new information from his studies and others, that prove to him the best way to fight diabetes is not by reducing carbs, but by reducing fat in your diet (animal fats are worst, but even vegetable fats need to be reduced).

Here is a link to google books, the entire book is not at this link, though, parts of it are missing:

http://books.google.com/books?id=-T...q=reversing+diabetes&cd=3#v=onepage&q&f=false

If you go to that link and scroll down to the chapter titled, "The Basics Have Changed," it will explain what this new info is.

Basically, he explains that process as this: Diabetes is a disease where the body has too much glucose in the blood stream, and this excess glucose, over time, is very damaging to all the body's components, resulting in all the familiar diabetic conditions. When there is excess glucose in the blood, the body responds by having the pancreas secrete more and more insulin to aid in the body absorbing the glucose. This makes the pancreas work overtime, and given a long enough time in this mode, the pancreas will eventually just stop due to over-work. That's when insulin injections are required.

The body's fuel is glucose, and carbohydrates get converted by the body into glucose. After conversion, this glucose goes into the blood stream, so it can get delivered to all the cells in the body for fuel. This glucose needs some help getting into the cells, though, and that helper is insulin, which is produced by the pancreas. Insulin basically acts like a key...and opens the cells doorways to let the glucose into the cell.

This is why reducing carbs has been the common way to fight diabetes...reducing carbs would seem to reduce the glucose in your blood stream. But, when reviewing the long term results from low-carb diets as a response to diabetes, the results are not good, most folks only slow the progression of the disease and eventually have to deal with all the nastiness of diabetes down the road a bit.

Dr Barnard's new studies show this: When a person has too much fat in their bloodstream (from high fat diets) it eventually works its way into the body's cells. These fat molecules that work their way into the cells cause a problem by clogging up the cell receptors where the insulin "key" fits, thereby negating the ability of the insulin to open the door for the glucose to enter the cell. When the glucose can't get into the cells, it remains floating around in the bloodstream, causing the pancreas to secrete more and more insulin....back to that vicious circle.

He feels that if you drastically reduce the amount of fat in your diet, the insulin will be able to do its job again, and the body's cells will start absorbing the glucose from the blood and naturally take care of the problem itself.

He describes it all much better and completely in his book. I've been on this diet for about a week and feel so much better.

I'm not sure if this low fat diet helps once the pancreas stops functioning, but I think he speaks to that in the book. I hope your wife gets better dude, you should definitely take a look at this book.

Man alive, this is great. Time for me to catch up. Everyday we are dealing with her condition. Man is it stressful on her at times, and I feel helpless to being able to help. I've saved Dr. Bernards book/parts of it!

I'm glad you are getting a good healthy start with this too.

Granny Storm Crow, thank you for ALL the LINKS!!!

Wiggs,
I'll stay tuned for shore....I'm gonna start reading his book and check out the links too.

 

[Wiggs Dannyboy]

I'm definitely going through a bit of a meat withdrawal...my diet before was very heavy on meat and fat and very few veggies. Another good thing about the diet that Dr Barnard recommends is that you don't have to count calories, you can still eat good quantities of food. Of course, the more you limit the calories the quicker you will lose the pounds...but he doesn't say you need to only eat a certain amount of food per day.

Just before I got diagnosed, I was planning on driving up to Seattle, and one of the main reasons was to go to this great BBQ joint called Pecos Pit. I've been jonesin for their sliced beef brisquet BBQ sandwhich ever since moving away about 10 years ago.

Bummer, dude. Just a bummer.

 

[Stoner4Life]

I hear you Dannyboy, I'm tired of feeling bad & have decided to put better fuel in my system. I'm going on a glycemic index diet and have decided to go vegan 3 or 4 day a week and mixing in some fish and allowable portions of chicken the other 3/4 days.

being a type II diabetic as you know means having to eat appx 6 times a day, 3 meals & 3 snacks and of course keeping the limit of carbs and sugars down which I've been consuming lately.

 

[The Sweede]

This site is worth a read if you're overweigth and/or diabetic...

http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf

I myself swear by it. Switched to LCHF about 3 month ago, lost 20 pounds since then. And my bloodsugar is more or less flatline.

 

[mugenbao]

This site is worth a read if you're overweigth and/or diabetic...

http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf

I myself swear by it. Switched to LCHF about 3 month ago, lost 20 pounds since then. And my bloodsugar is more or less flatline.

Wow... That link lead me on an amazing Internet journey and a couple of book purchases

When I last discussed the topic with my doctor, he said that I am "pre-diabetic" (whatever that means, I'm still somewhat unclear) and that I needed to take some steps. Of course, he didn't give me any substantial advice on what those steps should be, so since then I've basically been left with a vague feeling of unease and the sense that "I should be doing something about this", but what? And, of course, I've done nothing.

I want to thank each person in this thread for participating, because I now feel a strong conviction that not only should I be "doing something about this", but I should do it now, and I've got resources available to find out what that should be!




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[azad]

The Marvel of sprouts..
Research shows that sprouts are a veritable fountain of youth. Sprouts abound with antioxidants, they are full of protein, chlorophyll, vitamins, minerals and amino acids. Broccoli sprouts have been found to contain 50 times as much of the antioxidant sulfurophane as mature broccoli. Wheat Grass juice is the closest substance to hemoglobin, and is therefore a phenomenal blood purifier and liver de-toxifier. Sprouts contain enzymes, giving your body a much needed rest as they digest themselves - invigorating you while requiring no help from your body to process them. New research indicates that peanut sprouts reduce harmful cholesterol and that sunflower, buckwheat and grain sprouts dramatically improve the quality of life for diabetics. The list goes on and on.

 

[MysteryMachine]

one of the people i grow for is a diabetic and pot helps her nerve pains tremendously but the secret is to control your diet and get exercise and lose the weight that is causing it in so many cases from poor diet.my mom went from type 2 to 1 to non just by food regulating and weight lose to bad she has cancer now .

but it can be reversed in early stages before it gets out of hand even later stages if pancreas is not destroyed that is why the gastric by pass often cures diabetis it cuts the amount of food you can eat and lets your pancrias do its job as a result but its one hell of a risky way to control this disease better taking better care of your self to get it under control or gone completely aloha cls.

I had to LOL at the bold...

 

[420somewhere]

I lost 100 lbs.

I lost 100 lbs.

When my doctor told me I was pre-diabetic, I lost 100+ pounds and have kept it off for 5 years. ( it's is still off )

DR. said, You will have to take Metaformin forever?

My AC1 was 5.6 ?

I stopped taking the Metaformin and called him 2 months later to advise I had stopped taking the drugs. I went in for blood testes, etc.

He had another doctor write a letter indicating I had "Controlled Type 2 Diabetes by diet."

He didn't want to say it, but most medical professionals don't want to say cured, as most people cannot keep the weight off.

I work in the Medical Industry for a decade and found that most doctors are kinda like "Auto mechanics", there are good one, bad ones, and some that forget to put the Dipstick back in.

 

[The Sweede]

Wow... That link lead me on an amazing Internet journey and a couple of book purchases

When I last discussed the topic with my doctor, he said that I am "pre-diabetic" (whatever that means, I'm still somewhat unclear) and that I needed to take some steps. Of course, he didn't give me any substantial advice on what those steps should be, so since then I've basically been left with a vague feeling of unease and the sense that "I should be doing something about this", but what? And, of course, I've done nothing.

I want to thank each person in this thread for participating, because I now feel a strong conviction that not only should I be "doing something about this", but I should do it now, and I've got resources available to find out what that should be!




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Glad you liked it!

 

[Stoner4Life]

first sugar in 6 weeks


damn, broke down tonight and went to the local Dairy Queen, it been a couple of years since I had any DQ I bought myself (and just now ate) a Butterscotch Dilly Bar. omg this stuff is like heroin to me, I never had one of them before, am I ever glad the joint is closed @ this hour or I'd be heading down for another.......

 

[Stoner4Life]

first sugar in 6 weeks


damn, broke down tonight and went to the local Dairy Queen, it been a couple of years since I had any DQ I bought myself (and just now ate) a Butterscotch Dilly Bar. omg this stuff is like heroin to me, I never had one of them before, am I ever glad the joint is closed @ this hour or I'd be heading down for another.......

thankfully woke up today not craving nor even thinking about that Dilly Bar, last night was a bona fide sugar rush.

 

[Jon 54]

I have type 2 Diabetes too. I've tried that diet and my feet and legs became nerve damaged rather quickly. Get to a real doctor not a quack , start monitering your glucose levels at least twice daily and get it under control. DON'T WAIT!!!!! Jon 54

 

[Stoner4Life]

I'm going from oral meds to either Lantus or Levemir next week.

 

[monkey5]

Take a look into Mullberries.thought to help control blood sugars.
i enjoy dried mullberies and fresh blueberries with yogart for breakfast,and not to forget a glass of Sweet pink Grapefruit juice..

azad, Nice post! I love Mullberries! All colors too! Dark purple ones, red ones..and the sweet white ones, too! Good stuff! Dried are good snacks, too! Thanks for posting that! Good sound advice! I am loving berries of all types! monkey5

 

[monkey5]

You sir ..are right on the money again!!!

You sir ..are right on the money again!!!

The Marvel of sprouts..
Research shows that sprouts are a veritable fountain of youth. Sprouts abound with antioxidants, they are full of protein, chlorophyll, vitamins, minerals and amino acids. Broccoli sprouts have been found to contain 50 times as much of the antioxidant sulfurophane as mature broccoli. Wheat Grass juice is the closest substance to hemoglobin, and is therefore a phenomenal blood purifier and liver de-toxifier. Sprouts contain enzymes, giving your body a much needed rest as they digest themselves - invigorating you while requiring no help from your body to process them. New research indicates that peanut sprouts reduce harmful cholesterol and that sunflower, buckwheat and grain sprouts dramatically improve the quality of life for diabetics. The list goes on and on.

~~ You sir, are right on the money again!!! Great post!! I am a fellow traveler right there with you! Dr. Norman Walkers books are some sweet reads, too! Thank you for posting! monkey5

 

[castout]

Diabetes is an awful disease!!! I am sorry that anyone has to deal with it. And the way the docs push the most expensive insulin, is almost criminal!! My other half has been insulin dependant since he was 7, and the older he gets, the less control of his blood sugar he has. Seeing him seize, sweat, get weak, get combative, etc, is hard to see, but knowing what diabetes is doing to him, is so hard. Then you add the stress of not having insurance............diabetes is brutal. I hope all of the peeps with diabetes do well managing it this year!!!!

 

[yortbogey]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=225510&highlight=oxyclone

I start on my first round of GYNURA... intake/ consumption this weekend.....
blessedBE

 

[yortbogey]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=225510&highlight=oxyclone

I start on my first round of GYNURA... intake/ consumption this weekend.....
blessedBE

 

[Stoner4Life]

I'm going from oral meds to either Lantus or Levemir next week.

I feel like dancin' !!!!!!!

got the results of my latest blood test back & I dropped my A1C down from 7.8 (bad) to 6.3 (really good) and my diabetes specialist refused to put me on insulin today, in fact we're eliminating one oral med to see how my system adjusts. My cholesterol # (supposed to be under 200) went from 193 to 161 & I lowered my LDL (bad) cholesterol from 133 to 106 and it will continue dropping. I do need to raise my HDL (good) cholesterol to above 40, it's 30 now.


About 7 months ago when I had bad results for all of the above numbers a friend of mine suggested going 'gluten free' which resulted in some other changes to my diet as well.

I quit buying bread, crackers and most other high carb content foods; stopped buying bread and I bought only 2#s of butter in those 7 months. I stopped buying BACON (omfg!) & stayed away from all fast food joints too.

I owe a HUGE thanks to GreatLakesTHC for the simple recommendation of going gluten free, the resulting domino effect of foods I stopped buying and eating had a stellar effect on my blood quality.


I feel like some sort of super hero, I'd been dreading having to make the switch to insulin and have found at least temporarily a reprieve from that event. It's been a long time since I've had any good news regarding my health.......

 

[Desiderata]

GreatLakesTHC for presidente of the American Medical Society of Natural Remedies. That is wonderful news,.....and what will power bro!

What did the diet do to your waistline (gut)? I would sacrifice the bread, if Ann would let the crackers and chips go. Not Potatoe chips, but veggies sticks, and corn tostidos. She's on insulin pump.

What kind of alcoholic beverages do you drink? Us, alittle beer & wine.

What do you replace the bread with?

I saw Yorts post on the Gynura, very, very interesting....plus the cloner too!

Anyway S4L, you are moving and grooving now, bro.