AGW DENIERS THREAD

[Tom Hill]

Like I said at the go, just this once, I can't sit here and constantly play doctor to your broken hearts and chewed up souls. For you guys however, this is your daily grind isn't it - day after day after day. Yes, let fly the dolts, the networks of mindless lemmings etc. Look, I think it's fabulous that you ladies have found a group within yourselves who all suffer from the same particular sickness, huddle together tightly now and get a room. This is a cannabis site, and we are sick of your constant dribble.

 

[Weird]

i am ashamed Tom...for you. since you are obviously above us intellectually, your comments are duly noted, and forgotten.

as for Weird...

Dolt: A stupid person; a dunce. (only just one page).


Abstract
"The atmospheric greenhouse effect, an idea that many authors trace back to the
traditional works of Fourier (1824), Tyndall (1861), and Arrhenius (1896), and which
is still supported in global climatology, essentially describes a fictitious mechanism, in
which a planetary atmosphere acts as a heat pump driven by an environment that is
radiatively interacting with but radiatively equilibrated to the atmospheric system. Ac-
cording to the second law of thermodynamics such a planetary machine can never exist.Nevertheless, in almost all texts of global climatology and in a widespread secondary
literature it is taken for granted that such mechanism is real and stands on a firm sci-
entific foundation. In this paper the popular conjecture is analyzed and the underlying
physical principles are clarified. By showing that (a) there are no common physical laws
between the warming phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric green-
house effects, (b) there are no calculations to determine an average surface temperature
of a planet, (c) the frequently mentioned difference of 33 C is a meaningless number
calculated wrongly, (d) the formulas of cavity radiation are used inappropriately, (e) the
assumption of a radiative balance is unphysical, (f) thermal conductivity and friction
must not be set to zero, the atmospheric greenhouse conjecture is falsified."

link: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf

you filter out the one of 3 percent of scientists that do nto agree with global warming and im a dolt

you grow a plant that requires a balanced ecosystem to thrive (natural or otherwise) and you argue that industrialization has had no effect on global ecosystems

i never called anyone anything, the denier wiki was written by someone other than me

the "conspiracy" is your inability to temper the influence of THC in the projection of what could be with the logic of reality





http://www.ucsusa.org/ssi/climate-change/scientific-consensus-on.html


Scientific Consensus on Global Warming

Scientific societies and scientists have released statements and studies showing the growing consensus on climate change science. A common objection to taking action to reduce our heat-trapping emissions has been uncertainty within the scientific community on whether or not global warming is happening and if it is caused by humans. However, there is now an overwhelming scientific consensus that global warming is indeed happening and humans are contributing to it. Below are links to documents and statements attesting to this consensus.
Scientific Societies

• Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations
  
  "Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (October, 2009)
• American Meteorological Society: Climate Change: An Information Statement of the American Meteorological Society
  
  "Indeed, strong observational evidence and results from modeling studies indicate that, at least over the last 50 years, human activities are a major contributor to climate change." (February 2007)
• American Physical Society: Statement on Climate Change
  
  "The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (November 2007)
• American Geophysical Union: Human Impacts on Climate
  
  "The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system—including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons—are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century." (Adopted December 2003, Revised and Reaffirmed December 2007)
• American Association for the Advancement of Science: AAAS Board Statement on Climate Change
  
  "The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (December 2006)
• Geological Society of America: Global Climate Change
  
  "The Geological Society of America (GSA) supports the scientific conclusions that Earth’s climate is changing; the climate changes are due in part to human activities; and the probable consequences of the climate changes will be significant and blind to geopolitical boundaries." (October 2006)
• American Chemical Society: Statement on Global Climate Change
  
  "There is now general agreement among scientific experts that the recent warming trend is real (and particularly strong within the past 20 years), that most of the observed warming is likely due to increased atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations, and that climate change could have serious adverse effects by the end of this century." (July 2004)

National Science Academies

• U.S. National Academy of Sciences: Understanding and Responding to Climate Change (pdf)
  
  "The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere." (2005)
• International academies: Joint science academies’ statement: Global response to climate change (pdf)
  
  "Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring." (2005, 11 national academies of science)
• International academies: The Science of Climate Change
  
  "Despite increasing consensus on the science underpinning predictions of global climate change, doubts have been expressed recently about the need to mitigate the risks posed by global climate change. We do not consider such doubts justified." (2001, 16 national academies of science)

Research

• National Research Council of the National Academies, America’s Climate Choices
  
  "Most of the recent warming can be attributed to fossil fuel burning and other human activities that release carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere." America's Climate Choices, Advancing the Science of Climate Change, 2010
• U.S. Climate Change Research Program, Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States (2009)
  
  "Global warming is unequivocal and primarily human-induced. Global temperature has increased over the past 50 years. This observed increase is due primarily to human-induced emissions of heat-trapping gases."
• Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change, Peter T. Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman
  
  "It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes."
  
  Doran surveyed 10,257 Earth scientists. Thirty percent responded to the survey which asked: 1. When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant? and 2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?
• Beyond the Ivory Tower: The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change, Naomi Oreskes
  
  "Oreskes analyzed 928 abstracts published in refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003 and listed in the ISI database with the keywords 'climate change.'... Of all the papers, 75 percent either explicitly or implicitly accepted the consensus view that global warming is happening and humans are contributing to it; 25 percent dealt with methods or ancient climates, taking no position on current anthropogenic [human-caused] climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position." 

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

• Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis, IPCC, 2007. Contribution of Working Group I to the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change [Solomon, S., D. Qin, M. Manning, Z. Chen, M. Marquis, K.B. Averyt, M.Tignor and H.L. Miller (eds.)]. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, United Kingdom and New York, NY, USA.
  
  “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level”
  
  “Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.”
  
  IPCC defines "very likely" as greater than 90% probability of occurrence.

Sign-on Statements

• The Importance of Science in Addressing Climate Change: Scientists’ letter to the U.S. Congress. Statement signed by 18 scientists.
  "We want to assure you that the science is strong and that there is nothing abstract about the risks facing our Nation." (2011)
• Climate Change and the Integrity of Science
  Signed by 255 members of the National Academy of Sciences. "... For a problem as potentially catastrophic as climate change, taking no action poses a dangerous risk for our planet. ... The planet is warming due to increased concentrations of heat-trapping gases in our atmosphere. ...Most of the increase in the concentration of these gases over the last century is due to human activities, especially the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation." (2010)
• U.S. Scientists and Economists' Call for Swift and Deep Cuts in Greenhouse Gas Emissions
  
  "We call on our nation's leaders to swiftly establish and implement policies to bring about deep reductions in heat-trapping emissions. The strength of the science on climate change compels us to warn the nation about the growing risk of irreversible consequences as global average temperatures continue to increase over pre-industrial levels (i.e. prior to 1860). As temperatures rise further, the scope and severity of global warming impacts will continue to accelerate." (2008)
• Increase Your Leadership on Global Warming: A Letter from California Scientists
  
  "If emissions continue unabated, the serious consequences of a changing climate for California are likely to include a striking increase in extreme heat and heat-related mortality, significant reductions in Sierra snowpack with severe impacts on water supply, mounting challenges to agricultural production, and sea-level rise leading to more widespread erosion of California’s beaches and coastline." (2005)

 

[trichrider]

you filter out the one of 3 percent of scientists that do nto agree with global warming and im a dolt

Weird, I never called you anything. I was just showing one could Wiki wonders, you inferred from my post that you were a dolt, it was never stated, but perhaps proven.

...and yes I do depend on the minority to give perspective to the rash mentality displayed by the majority. I do not accept as gospel the teachings of the 'Church of Hotter Days'.

Most of whatever the government preaches is suspect and one should concern oneself with the percentage dissenting same.

Shall I now start to regurgitate links that you had absolutely no time to review, or should you start from beginning?

 

[grapeman]

It was about everything, everything that drives you to expose the sad clown before us.

I do not think you are ready to peep into your mirror, that you are in complete denial, and unavailable for caring.

I could not care less about your lifestyle, clearly you're mind is tied up in knots. This is spewed out before us all, like a sad Greek play.

Just as I thought, you are intellectually empty.

You come to a thread entitled AWG Deniers thread and you spew bullshit just like Rodney King's "Can't we all just get along"?

No I guess we can't because your post is meaningless save for the attempt to imply that you are a good steward of the planet and those with higher IQ's are not.

This recycled shit from the feel good left's playbook is tiresome and definitely shows your lack of intelligence.

Can't refute any of the science posted above that bursts your bubble that shows forces beyond mankind affect the weather and climate, so you'll just post how good you are and how bad I am because you state you care and I don't.

Are you a fucking child? You post like one.

Go rake your backyard and leave the heavy lifting to adults.

 

[grapeman]

Like I said at the go, just this once, I can't sit here and constantly play doctor to your broken hearts and chewed up souls. For you guys however, this is your daily grind isn't it - day after day after day. Yes, let fly the dolts, the networks of mindless lemmings etc. Look, I think it's fabulous that you ladies have found a group within yourselves who all suffer from the same particular sickness, huddle together tightly now and get a room. This is a cannabis site, and we are sick of your constant dribble.

Yeah you said "just this once" like 4 posts ago.

And when you say "we" are sick that would be the collective "we" I suppose. You actually think you speak for a collective because your name is tom hill. LOL

I'm glad I had parents who taught me critical thinking skills instead of reverse psychology to cope as your parents did for you. You are so transparent. So trich posts science that shows the other side of a story in which you and your ilk like to think is a slam dunk argument. You don't read or comment on any of the science but come here and "feel sorry" for those of us who are not like you.... mind numb and a part of a collective because you either cannot comprehend the science posts or choose to ignore them because they show your beliefs to be bullshit.

Thanks for your input. So informative and adult like.

 

[Tom Hill]

Grapeman,

Just once like just one thread. It's this left right purple red simpleton mentality that has you all tied up in knots and allows you to continue basking in your warm bath of denial. None of what you want to turn this into matters. All that matters is that you want to argue that everything is hunky dory, and let's keep going, for this is the argument that protects your doings, allows you to sleep at night. Man up, and cease this pathetically sad display.

 

[grapeman]

Grapeman,

Just once like just one thread. It's this left right purple red simpleton mentality that has you all tied up in knots and allows you to continue basking in your warm bath of denial. None of what you want to turn this into matters. All that matters is that you want to argue that everything is hunky dory, and let's keep going, for this is the argument that protects your doings, allows you to sleep at night. Man up, and cease this pathetically sad display.

Look, little tommy, you came to this thread and posted. Yet you did not post on the Original topic. You posted some ethereal bullshit about how you live on a higher plain then me or others and some man in the mirror crap, which is simply the bullshit you feed yourself so you can survive in the pathetic life you must have. There could be no other reason.

Try responding to the topic, if you can read and understand the links.

Or, keep posting your feel good garbage and keep making yourself look stupid.

 

[Weird]

Look, little tommy, you came to this thread and posted. Yet you did not post on the Original topic. You posted some ethereal bullshit about how you live on a higher plain then me or others and some man in the mirror crap, which is simply the bullshit you feed yourself so you can survive in the pathetic life you must have. There could be no other reason.

Try responding to the topic, if you can read and understand the links.

Or, keep posting your feel good garbage and keep making yourself look stupid.

see i beg to differ

he said how your unrelenting, vitriolic off-topic "contributions" are inappropriate for a site whose common theme is cannabis

you seem to feel your perception makes you expert but lets be honest here, to me, the first and foremost factor that makes a person credible on a pot site is their good works regarding cannabis

In this regard your are no tom hill

fuck, i thought you at least worked in a parallel market such as wine grapes but you work with table grapes.

so with the mindset you posses i have to assume your part of a the industrialized american farm machine.

a machine that feeds the industries that support it like big oil and the big agricultural chemical companies and to top it off your "table" fare is worth less because its non organic

the confident pessimism and negativity is a refelction of your own inability to understand the world you well enough to interact harmoniously with it so instead you delude yourself that it is a failure of the world around you and not yourself that is the failure

"of course there is nothing wrong with the world because there is nothing wrong with me"

I truly feel for you, your own potential marginalized by your own perspective

 

[trichrider]

whew! the hatred displayed is beyond hypocritical!!!

none was such my intention, yet i am loath to admit it is delightful!

I posted links to several alternative explanations to the climate variations indicated by nefarious IPCC 'consensus reports' and no one acknowledged yet alone addressed one in an intelligent or constructive manner. is that what peer review is all about?

likely fucking story...but that is another topic!

if you hadn't noticed this }is{was posted in the "Old Stoners Crash Pad", where old stoners muse and cruise, not some 'science' oriented thread like advanced botony or the infirmary. Not that that matters because you zealously defend 'science' like it be your saviour.

Refusing an alternative solution (not that it will make a difference), matters not to you. This smacks of an arrogant condescention reminiscent of racism or bigotry; not any 'scientific' open discussion. (yeah I played the race card)

I admit in my base reactions to attack on me personally, even if it were stated that this be an anonymous assault, I was blinded by indignation and replied inappropriately however august my intentions.

Nevertheless, I have not withderawn my contention that AGW is a scam, perpetrated on the peoples of this planet (through legal coercion and obfuscation of fact), to obviate necessary cessation of contributers to anthropogenic global warming, and further; to profit from the misery and hardships imposed on the poorest in our ranks by this scam.

My veracity has been impugned, my intelligence questioned, my instincts ridiculed from offering an alternative viewpoint to the drones of 'granted' research.

Salutations.

stay fly, my brothers.

 

[Centrum]

Saw a nova documentary where they are drilling miles below the ICE to find answers.
And they are finding out that all the ice has melted about 50 times already and places like manhattan new york will be 14 -21 feet underwater. They checked the layers of earth to confirm with the layers of earth they are drilling miles below the arctic ice and ocean water.

It was a pretty good documentary.

Sorry if this doesnt relate to what your talking about I just assumed it does.

 

[rives]

I am amazed at the vitriol that this subject elicits, particularly from people that I would never have believed it from (Tom….). Personally, I’m firmly on the fence and like seeing information from both sides. I have little doubt as to man having a negative impact on damn near everything that we touch, but Mother Earth is an incredibly resilient host for a nasty bunch of parasites. Additionally, I’m old enough that I remember the last time the scientific community jerked up their collective skirts and declared that we were entering another ice age.

It is pretty funny how numerous the contributors are on this site who view virtually everything that comes out of the “establishment” with a jaundiced eye, yet they are firmly seated on this bandwagon and vilify anyone who dares to suggest that there might be something else afoot. There has been far too much fiddling with the evidence and self-fulfilling prophecy going on for me to be comfortable with the bulk of the projections. If this same level of hysteria and tampering was applied to, say, cannabis research, how do you think the average contributor on this site would react? I think that some interesting parallels could be drawn between Randolph Hearst and Al Gore.

Certainly we should do everything within our power to minimize our footprint on nature. This is a fundamental philosophy of life that I was taught and tried to pass on to my children. You should endeavor to leave anything that comes within your sphere of influence in better shape than what you found it. Unfortunately, man’s history of fumbled good intentions is probably far longer than the list of things that we have truly improved.

I like two basic tenets that seem to apply well to this controversy: a) follow the money and b) the only constant is change.

 

[Aerohead]

Dammit this is all Al Gores fault...


He did create an epic money machine using the gullible..

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Al Gore was just doing his masters bidding like the whore he is.

Carbon-dioxide is our friend.

Once we get rid of the real parasites; (or die trying) the banksters and fascist control freaks, we can unleash the power of hydrogen, water fueled cars and perhaps fusion.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread711829/pg1

The parasites plan if you havent figured it out yet is to make fuel and power so expensive we are forced back a hundred years or so.

 

[Tom Hill]

Look, little tommy, you came to this thread and posted. Yet you did not post on the Original topic. You posted some ethereal bullshit about how you live on a higher plain then me or others and some man in the mirror crap, which is simply the bullshit you feed yourself so you can survive in the pathetic life you must have. There could be no other reason.

Try responding to the topic, if you can read and understand the links.

Or, keep posting your feel good garbage and keep making yourself look stupid.

Oh please. Every time I turn around you're shooting off about how everybody around you is mindless, blind, dimwitted buffoons with a lower IQ than you. How you have forgotten more than they will ever know, bla bla bla. How all science that doesn't agree with yours is faux. It's all those illegal aliens fault, on and on. If any of this rap was your own perhaps your receptive audience would extend beyond your desert rat ayn rand loving numbskull friends, if only for a moment. But it's not yours, we've heard all this before, it doesn't impress.

I'm not hung up on the original topic because there is no argument, it's moot. All we are looking at is a bunch of (mostly older) folk scrambling to justify their life's actions, or lack thereof - the rest is smoke and mirrors. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[JJScorpio]

Just as I thought, you are intellectually empty.

You come to a thread entitled AWG Deniers thread and you spew bullshit just like Rodney King's "Can't we all just get along"?

No I guess we can't because your post is meaningless save for the attempt to imply that you are a good steward of the planet and those with higher IQ's are not.

This recycled shit from the feel good left's playbook is tiresome and definitely shows your lack of intelligence.

Can't refute any of the science posted above that bursts your bubble that shows forces beyond mankind affect the weather and climate, so you'll just post how good you are and how bad I am because you state you care and I don't.

Are you a fucking child? You post like one.

Go rake your backyard and leave the heavy lifting to adults.

One more post like this and you won't be posting anymore..... Understood? If you can't maturely handle the pressure of the discussion, move along.....

 

[dagnabit]

Like I said at the go, just this once, I can't sit here and constantly play doctor to your broken hearts and chewed up souls. For you guys however, this is your daily grind isn't it - day after day after day. Yes, let fly the dolts, the networks of mindless lemmings etc. Look, I think it's fabulous that you ladies have found a group within yourselves who all suffer from the same particular sickness, huddle together tightly now and get a room. This is a cannabis site, and we are sick of your constant dribble.

5 sheep found this helpful?

im not saying what my opinion on AGW is but could any of the 5 who said this was "helpful" please explain what help you found in this post?

 

[303hydro]

I care about the planet. I care about whales, birds and the environment. As much as you.... maybe more........................


But if you are going to tell me that my lifestyle needs to change to the point where I can't fly, can't drive and I have to pay a carbon tax just to live here

You obviously don't care about the environment more than yourself and your conveniences.

1/3 of the people in this world live and drink and eat in there own shit and your sitting in front of your computer whining about a carbon tax?

I am sorry but most everyone I have ever met who is in denial is more concerned about their lifestyle than anything else.

 

[In~Plain~Site]

Oh please. Every time I turn around you're shooting off about how everybody around you is mindless, blind, dimwitted buffoons with a lower IQ than you. How you have forgotten more than they will ever know, bla bla bla. How all science that doesn't agree with yours is faux. It's all those illegal aliens fault, on and on. If any of this rap was your own perhaps your receptive audience would extend beyond your desert rat ayn rand loving numbskull friends, if only for a moment. But it's not yours, we've heard all this before, it doesn't impress.

I'm not hung up on the original topic because there is no argument, it's moot. All we are looking at is a bunch of (mostly older) folk scrambling to justify their life's actions, or lack thereof - the rest is smoke and mirrors. Nothing more, nothing less.

So the difference in being straight-forward, if some what abrasive, is different from the passive-aggressive, holier than thou approach, how again?

Just saying

DC rocks btw


This entire argument is like t!ts on a bull coming from an mj GROWING site.
We account for a larger carbon footprint,collectively, than any other website on the web.
To the victor goes the spoils

 

[dddaver]

HOLY CRAP!

We sure got a lotta runners winning gold in this Special Olympics.

 

[In~Plain~Site]

EPIC post!! ^^^^