Signs that a collapse is under way.

[SpasticGramps]

Big problems on Wall Street. "Baffled." Just absolutely baffling.

Wall Street Baffled by Slowing Economy, Low Yields: Trader CNBC

Wall Street is having a hard time figuring out what to do now that the U.S. economy appears to be sputtering and yields are so low, Peter Yastrow, market strategist for Yastrow Origer, told CNBC.

"What we’ve got right now is almost near panic going on with money managers and people who are responsible for money," he said. "They can not find a yield and you just don’t want to be putting your money into commodities or things that are punts that might work out or they might not depending on what happens with the economy.

"We need to find real yield and real returns on these assets. You see bad data, you see Treasurys rally, you see all bonds and all fixed-income rally and then the people who are betting against the U.S. economy start getting bearish on stocks. That’s a huge mistake."

Stocks extended losses after the manufacturing fell below expectations in May and the private sector added only 38,000 jobs during the month.

"Interest rates are amazingly low and that, thanks to Ben Bernanke, is driving everything," Yastrow said. "We’re on the verge of a great, great depression. The [Federal Reserve] knows it.

"We have many, many homeowners that are totally underwater here and cannot get out from under. The technology frontier is limited right now. We definitely have an innovation slowdown and the economy’s gonna suffer."

However, he said he wouldn’t sell stocks.

"Any bears out there better be careful because the dividend yields on these stocks look awesome relative to all the other investment vehicles out there," Yastrow said. "So bears are going to have to find a new way to express their discontent with the U.S. economy."

 

[Grimr3efer]

Re: Signs that a collapse is under way.

Flouride good for your teeth? Really and I guess its good for you to eat msg, aspartame, and other poisions. Funny how you have been lied to and you bought it like a dumb sheep. Shows how dumb down people really are. This is a epidemic. Stupid people get to have a word in. Save yourself and maybe do a bit of research before you spew your brainwashed propaganda. What does flouride do to the developing brain? Studies show that flouride hinders brain development. It's been proven that students on the same level tested which are unflourinated will test an average of 1to2 times better than a flourinated student. Flouride is good for you haha ...go eat a tube of paste.

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[DiscoBiscuit]

Mind if I vere toward tax receipts?

Mind if I vere toward tax receipts?

IMO, the reason why tax cuts don't jump-start any (U.S.) economy is tax-structure. With a 35% top income rate and a 15% capital gains rate, a first grader can do the math and figure out why business isn't hiring.

Instead of business hiring workers to generate business' personal income, business invests their record liquidity in the markets. The same, dollar-for-dollar gain in wealth effectively receives a 20% tax-cut as incentive not to hire.

This is a given before we even look at globalization and all the new challenges that come with it.

I don't think the corporate sector should be mandated to fan the flames of industry. IMO, that's approaching Fascism. I say approaching lightly because we did it in WWII. However, in stead of gov/crony shenanigans we were all together for a single cause.

May still be fascist, at least it sounds a little more romantic.:

IMO, we need to revamp the tax-code. We only collect taxes from 32% of US-based business. That needs to be across the board.

When we get everybody paying, make business historically and statistically prove that any corporate welfare contributes to hiring more workers. If they try that argument with no proof they should face 30 lashes with a wet noodle.

That's not all, folks. We also need to revamp the income-tax to capital-gains-tax disparity so corporations have to hire to get richer rather than lobbying for more breaks.





In short, tax cuts = hiring is a bald faced lie in the current revenue structure.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Flouride good for your teeth? Really and I guess its good for you to eat msg, aspartame, and other poisions. Funny how you have been lied to and you bought it like a dumb sheep. Shows how dumb down people really are. This is a epidemic. Stupid people get to have a word in. Save yourself and maybe do a bit of research before you spew your brainwashed propaganda. What does flouride do to the developing brain? Studies show that flouride hinders brain development. It's been proven that students on the same level tested which are unflourinated will test an average of 1to2 times better than a flourinated student. Flouride is good for you haha ...go eat a tube of paste.

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The old mind control, pop control conspiracy is getting a bit tired, even with the John Birch Society. But shock jocks still hang on to the fact it's poison.

So is every proportional substance on earth, including oxygen. We could poison ourselves on every chemical and or amendment we feed our plants.

The key is level. The substance you diss is only toxic at the rate you... uh, didn't happen to elaborate.

Of course you realize we have "we're being poisoned" articles by the millions. One might argue that some of these articles poison perception.

The only reason fluorine went on the paranoia radar is because our water infrastructure is governmental, not private-sector. If it was the other way around, the fluorine lobby would be crying that the remnants of JBS are thwarting their free-market rights. SCOTUS would rule 5-4 that selling and distributing fluorine constitutes freedom-of-speech. (Part of that's true and part is jest. Can you tell the difference?)

Instead, whatever amounts to a fluorine lobby deals with doctors and statistics, not controversy and spin. This is probably a great indication that fluorine warriors aren't making much of an impact with public perception.

Please tell me yer not suggesting collapse is due to fluoridated water?

 

[HempKat]

It's all good and well for our central planners. A country with a middle class demands freedom. A country without one is one that lives under complete totalitarian tyranny as we are moving closer and closer to today. A totalitarian democracy. It doesn't matter who you vote for. You lose.

If this is the definition of a Totalitarian Democracy then we've been one for quite some time now. There's not one Presidency in my 50 some years that I can say with confidence was a winning situation for the masses.

 

[SpasticGramps]

If this is the definition of a Totalitarian Democracy then we've been one for quite some time now. There's not one Presidency in my 50 some years that I can say with confidence was a winning situation for the masses.

Yes. There in lies the rub.

 

[HempKat]

Is this a new marketing strategy?

Uh... I just bought half a new car....

It's not really that new, I've seen numberous examples of this the past several years. They're sneaky about it too, companies selling things like peanut butter, margerine or any semi soft substance that conforms to the shape of it's container will often times incorporate an indented bottom to the container such that the container appears to be the exact same size but due to the indention there is actually less of the product in the container. Another ploy is to change the shape of the container all together and promote that the change is to make the item more space friendly in the refrigerator or freezer. Since it's a new shape container though consumers tend to assume it's the reason it seems like there is less when in fact there really is less.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

If, for a moment we could limit masses to those who prospered economically, the 90s gave us the biggest peacetime expansion in modern history.

The subsequent idea fast-tracked in the opposite direction. We now have 1920s-scale income disparity. With 78% of the polling masses suggesting we need better equity in top tax rates, I'd imagine the masses are restless.

 

[HempKat]

they might be planning to rip us off but they didnt count with nature and the planet. (they do now, but i guess its a little bit late now.) this meltdown is about nature too. global warming, lack of oil... oil. the _fuel_ of this kind of society. when the oil gets out of the game they lose something which is quite important for their money-making, oppressive system. i dont say, the disappearence of oil will change everything but i cannot believe that it wont change anything. humanity will have to adapt to a new, maybe slower way of life, than we will have the time to think about whats really good for us. i dont know how is this gonna happen but im sure this system wont last much longer.

I doubt it will happen, I'm willing to bet that when keeping energy based on oil becomes too difficult to maintain then one of the big energy companies will miraculously roll out a new source of energy. one that could be in use now but is on hold (because some energy company bought up the rights) while they continue to get as much out of oil as they can

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

It's not really that new, I've seen numberous examples of this the past several years. They're sneaky about it too, companies selling things like peanut butter, margerine or any semi soft substance that conforms to the shape of it's container will often times incorporate an indented bottom to the container such that the container appears to be the exact same size but due to the indention there is actually less of the product in the container. Another ploy is to change the shape of the container all together and promote that the change is to make the item more space friendly in the refrigerator or freezer. Since it's a new shape container though consumers tend to assume it's the reason it seems like there is less when in fact there really is less.

I know what you're talking about. I know I have a cheap wine when the bottom of the bottle is flat, lol.

And Miracle Whip's new ad campaign talks about their "cool" new container. Then they get a few tweens to dance around like they just overdosed on MW.

Yeah!!! Maybe that'll get em to forget we doubled the price.

 

[hunt4genetics]

Speaking of Dance...

Sign of a collapse #4,221

When it's illegal to Dance.

Quick call Kevin Bacon!
See yall at the Jefferson Memorial this Saturday at noon.

peace.

 

[HempKat]

the cia and ap, great sources gramps lol. omountain you cannot possibly be serious, maybe you're too old to remember school but it's just an indoctrination tool for the system. it seems like you gobbled up all the shit they shoveled down your throat up and made it your own. i am honestly in awe at how ludicrous your post is. MONEY DOESN'T MATTER, PEOPLE DO. so tired of hearing about peoples precious taxpayer money and how it's being "wasted" on "lesser people". fucking wake up

What's really stupid about the "They're wasting my tax dollars on..." arguement is that it's not yours, it's the government's. You could do away with Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, Etc but you'll still be paying as much if not more in taxes as you ever did. Income Tax was supposed to be temporary to fund the Civil War. Once the politicians saw how much money they could get an manipulate though they decided to amend the constitution and make it permanent. Once the government gets ahold of money they seldom give it back. Unless of course you're one of the 5-10% of the population that holds 90% of the wealth. Because if you are one of those people you're part of the group that is the hand inside the puppet.

 

[Grimr3efer]

WAKE UP

WAKE UP

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The old mind control, pop control conspiracy is getting a bit tired, even with the John Birch Society. But shock jocks still hang on to the fact it's poison.

So is every proportional substance on earth, including oxygen. We could poison ourselves on every chemical and or amendment we feed our plants.

The key is level. The substance you diss is only toxic at the rate you... uh, didn't happen to elaborate.

Of course you realize we have "we're being poisoned" articles by the millions. One might argue that some of these articles poison perception.

The only reason fluorine went on the paranoia radar is because our water infrastructure is governmental, not private-sector. If it was the other way around, the fluorine lobby would be crying that the remnants of JBS are thwarting their free-market rights. SCOTUS would rule 5-4 that selling and distributing fluorine constitutes freedom-of-speech. (Part of that's true and part is jest. Can you tell the difference?)

Instead, whatever amounts to a fluorine lobby deals with doctors and statistics, not controversy and spin. This is probably a great indication that fluorine warriors aren't making much of an impact with public perception.

Please tell me yer not suggesting collapse is due to fluoridated water?[/QUOTTE]

Look at where it comes from. It is a byproduct from making nuclear bombs. It is basicly a waste product. First read about the Manhattan project. So much flouride they dont know what to do with it all. And any amount of a cumlative ppoision is not good for you at all. Flourier is cumlative substance. Once it enters your body it will go with you to the grave. So don't give me the billshit about tiny amounts are okay. Your nuts abou us being paranoid that govt has control. Its fact its poision bottom line.

 

[robbiedublu]

It's not really that new, I've seen numberous examples of this the past several years. They're sneaky about it too, companies selling things like peanut butter, margerine or any semi soft substance that conforms to the shape of it's container will often times incorporate an indented bottom to the container such that the container appears to be the exact same size but due to the indention there is actually less of the product in the container. Another ploy is to change the shape of the container all together and promote that the change is to make the item more space friendly in the refrigerator or freezer. Since it's a new shape container though consumers tend to assume it's the reason it seems like there is less when in fact there really is less.

No Shit. Anyone go buy a "half gallon" of ice cream lately?

 

[SpasticGramps]

As we approach June 30 and the end of QEII we can take a moment to reflect on what the markets will look like without free easy money. And let me tell you they look like shit. Everything is selling off and QEII hasn't even ended yet. There is some serious pain coming.

John Taylor: "Next Year Is Going To Be Truly Miserable" And QE 3 Will Come

As usual, FX Concept's John Taylor (not the guy with the inflation rule, or the guy with the bass guitar) does not sugarcoat his views, and as disclosed by his latest outlook on the world, things, especially if there is no QE3, are about to get much worse: "Next year is going to be pretty miserable." The reason: the same one that caused us to predict, correctly, late in 2010 when we mocked Goldman's call for a US economic renaissance, namely that with the Fed blowing its wad on QE2 at a time when fiscal "consolidation" was about to become the norm in Washington, that the impact of monetary policy would have an increasingly less pronounced impact. We are surprised by how few people still get it: that cutting deficits at the same time as monetary easing is ending, will be an unmitigated disaster for the economy, and, yes, eventually the markets: "I'm afraid that the cutting the deficit means cutting final demand. It means the economy is going to slow. It might not be a bad thing to cut the deficit, but unfortunately, when you cut the deficit, you're going to get a slowdown. The more you cut the deficit, the worse it's going to be." As a reminder, DC hopes to cut up to $4 trillion in future deficits. And this is happening as the president is entering the fight for his second term. Basically, his only reelection chance, now that Europe is fully austere and China is tightening is some miracle out of Japan (which will not happen), or, cue surprise, the Fed, and QE 3. Ironically, the only hope left for the administration is that "this time it is different" and the Fed can get it right. Which it can't. But it won't stop it from trying. Taylor agrees: "QE 3 will start or not? No. No more? Well, eventually it will start I would argue. I think the fed has to really see the economy printing minus numbers first." So there's the benchmark: contraction, or at least collapsing growth. Which is precisely where we are now. Yes, QE3 is a certainty, and when it is announced, to borrow a phrase, hide your kids, hide your wife, and certainly hide your gold.

Full CNBC video interivew in link.

 

[Closet_Grower]

#1 sign collapse is on the way-

people keep discussing the "drama" and "bullshit" regarding government and taxes and health care and blah blah blah, somewhere it went to toothpaste I think?... at least Obama isn't being mentioned much thank god...

...When really, now is the time to connect with Mother Earth and yourself. If money will mean nothing soon then what really matters in all this?

People around the world, but especially in the USA are completely dis-connected from the reality of the universe, and their natural being. Spending too much time focusing on the matrix around them. Being completely reliant on your government and mainstream news media to tell ya how it is.

I think people need to turn off the TV, close the papers, dont worry about the 35% of taxes going to blah blah who gives a flying fuck cause you live you die and you cant take this shit with you.

Spend time with your family and friends discussing REAL topics. Enjoy this planet, go fishing, hiking, swimming, partying, travelling, chilling, straight kicking it, or any number of activities you have a passion for.

Connect with your higher being,connect with Mother Earth, claim your sovereignty, and drop the EGO.

Find out whats really important in your life. For you. Awaken.

CG

 

[Weird]

when major sports cant meet payroll and CEOs forgo bonuses ill start to worry

 

[SpasticGramps]

The Mets are having a tough time with payroll. Kind of anyway.

CEO will never forgo bonuses. They are backstopped by the taxpayer. See 2008 meltdown. Why forgo a bonus when some other dumb sod has to pay for your mistakes?

 

[BornToBeWild]

When some dumbass presidents wife can introduce a food circle, not a pyramid that has been teached for what 50 years??? She said most people don't understand the food pyramid damn lady I was 8 and could understand it. As unc always said though if there was a collapse we growers can grow our own food, some can distill own whiskey, some can hunt good food. Then the rich bastards that sit on a chair all day would have to buy from us but would pay huge taxes

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Look at where it comes from. It is a byproduct from making nuclear bombs.

More correctly, it's a product of mining phosphors. Some phosphors are radioactive. But nuclear bomb fuel is uranium and plutonium. Are you familiar with the nuclear industry?

Mining = bomb making is not unlike pap smear = abortion.

Worried about radiation?

An x-ray, chemotherapy and flying in a plane will give you big doses. Check the charts for radioactive exposure. I don't believe you'll find a chart that even lists fluorine.

It is basicly a waste product.

So was gasoline when we burned oil for lamps before electricity.

First read about the Manhattan project. So much flouride they dont know what to do with it all. And any amount of a cumlative ppoision is not good for you at all. Flourier is cumlative substance. Once it enters your body it will go with you to the grave.

Not unlike Mercury.

So don't give me the billshit about tiny amounts are okay. Your nuts abou us being paranoid that govt has control. Its fact its poision bottom line.

Are you "remnants of the John Birch Society"? No? Then logic suggests you not take my comment (about John Birch) personally.

Do you ever think about radiation while holding your cell phone against your brain? Never mind, don't answer.

Speaking of "billshit", do you think fluorine is a sign that collapse is underway? If not, drink bottled water and start a fluorine thread. I'll pile it full of info from science and medicine, not conspiracy theories.