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[CC_2U]

CC1

Did you mention that you have used tea tree oil at one point? It shares a number of the same compounds as neem & karanja oils and I wondered what benefit you found in this oil.

Thanks!

CC

 

[guest2012y]

CC1

Did you mention that you have used tea tree oil at one point? It shares a number of the same compounds as neem & karanja oils and I wondered what benefit you found in this oil.

Thanks!

CC

No..I was asking if anybody has used it. It's potent stuff and I wouldn't doubt it would burn,but diluted down and mixed with protekt,yucca could be quite effective eh?

 

[SOTF420]

I hope this works out and does not turn out to be anything harmful but I wanted to just say I have never foliar fed plants because it's very un-natural and plants do not need to take in nutrients from their leaves that's what the root system is for. With the exception of emergency pest control or a preventative with neem oil or such there really is no reason to spray your plants with anything whatsoever and by doing so you really are just inviting problems. I say this with respect to those who do foliar their plants but really it's far more risk than it is benefit not to mention the potential build-ups and residue you will eventually be smoking. Just because you can't see it anymore doesnt mean it's all gone! Best of luck

 

[CC_2U]

So how do cannabis growers in Hawaii, the Yucatan Peninsula, SE Asia, et al. deal with this harmful 'water' in the form of rain?

Just curious.

CC

 

[SOTF420]

Clean natural water by way of the rain cycle & man-made foliar concotions made from organic & inorganic components sprayed all over a Cannabis plant indoors are two completely different animals. If you want to argue with someone over this, I am not the guy because the answer is abundantly clear but thanks for asking Clacky much love! Last but not least, you posted in a "quoting" style making it appear like I had said somewhere in my posting that water was harmful to plants yet I never posted that anywhere whatsoever. Accept my friendly observation on such & please do continue.

 

[CC_2U]

SOTF420

I asked this specific question because as you've probably heard it rains a sh*t-load here in the PNW. The 'Boys of Summer' are usually found on their knees and praying to the various incarnations of 'God' at the end of September to keep the autumn rains at bay until the middle of October. I'm speaking of the growers west of the Cascades.

It's always been an interesting study and it's not unique to the cannabis growers, i.e. the wine grape growers are sitting in the same pew alongside the cannabis growers.

I'd love to have a piece of the donations - LOL

CC

 

[SOTF420]

Never been an issue for me really, indoors or out but then again I grow a strain done by mid Sept outdoors. I also have never lost a plant indoors ever even in high humidity to any type of rot or mold and have never foliar sprayed my plants, I was taught at a young age not to do so there is simply no need for it.

If plants were meant to feed through their leaves then they would not need root systems it's as simple as that. They have evolved to take up what they need from the soil below and the light from above. Topping plants out into a more spread out open structure early in veg if outdoors has always been useful for me in keeping moisture out of my colas outside and even growing Sweet Tooth which can be prone to mold because of density I really have not encountered much if any just maybe a few spots rarely. Big dense top colas are simply mold magnets no matter what you spray on them, and spraying down plants is where mold & rot can start in the first place so indoors it's never a good idea unless absolutely necessary for pest control imvho and with neem being a natural anti-fungal that is about the only thing you will find me spraying on plants but never in flower. With healthy plants and proper practices early you should not need to foliar spray anything on them later on in life and DEFINITELY not in flower.

 

[CC_2U]

Never been an issue for me really, indoors or out but then again I grow a strain done by mid Sept outdoors. I also have never lost a plant indoors ever even in high humidity to any type of rot or mold and have never foliar sprayed my plants, I was taught at a young age not to do so there is simply no need for it.

If plants were meant to feed through their leaves then they would not need root systems it's as simple as that. They have evolved to take up what they need from the soil below and the light from above. Topping plants out into a more spread out open structure early in veg if outdoors has always been useful for me in keeping moisture out of my colas outside and even growing Sweet Tooth which can be prone to mold because of density I really have not encountered much if any just maybe a few spots rarely. Big dense top colas are simply mold magnets no matter what you spray on them, and spraying down plants is where mold & rot can start in the first place so indoors it's never a good idea unless absolutely necessary for pest control imvho and with neem being a natural anti-fungal that is about the only thing you will find me spraying on plants but never in flower. With healthy plants and proper practices early you should not need to foliar spray anything on them later on in life and DEFINITELY not in flower.

I'm not arguing with you on any of your points - specific and general.

My simple answer would be this: "Move to the PNW for a year and we'll have any number of topics to discuss"

Hopefully.

I know quite about anaerobic fungi in this part of the world and the various processes used to keep sh*t at bay across a myriad of crops and plants.

Experience and such. I'll continue to apply neem and karanja oils, aloe vera with fulvic acids, kelp, liquid silica and leave the musings and the hopes and dreams about other solutions for others to study and dream about.

Whatever works for others is always an interesting read but unless they're in the Upper Left Corner their help and comments are limited to just that - an interesting read which is always helpful.

CC

 

[SOTF420]

Now I definitely like the wines coming out of the PNW, and the fungus seems to actually help with some of the grapes at least by boosting the highly beneficial resveratrol levels. Plants when allowed to do so have an amazing ability to take care of things on their own and honestly if you are having major mold/rot issues you may just be growing the wrong strains when everything is said & done. I definitely have no plans to move there anytime soon though so thanks but no thanks man, I'm close enough I can just drive north when necessary Keep on keepin on and good luck with the foliars!

 

[CC_2U]

RE: Strain variables with regard to PM infestation.

A 2-word comment: Uh huh.

I realize that the usual meme is that Oregon cannabis growers just don't have a clue - usually at the hands of our 'Cali' friends. Touching, special and at times even helpful.

Not in this deal - we hillbillies in Ory-Gun may not have the national press about our cannabis and while we DO send our best and brightest down to Fortuna, California each and every year to bring back 'da truth' from 'real growers' we continue to struggle along with an eye to be as good growers like they are in 'Cali' - I remain hopeful.

Or at the very least delusional, eh? I mean how could a pack of idiots north of Ashland ever figure out really deep stuff like anaerobic fungi?

Heck we're still trying to figure out how you flush a field of hemp! With and without a pH reading on the runoff!!!!

Talk about stupid, eh?

CC

 

[GoneRooty]

Now I definitely like the wines coming out of the PNW, and the fungus seems to actually help with some of the grapes

Botrytis in grapes = noble rot, occurs when wet conditions are followed by drier conditions

 

[SOTF420]

My comment about grapes was in relation to their resveratrol content which the grapes produce in higher levels (mostly in the skins) when necessary to help protect the fruit against fungus in very cool humid conditions like those found along the coastal PNW. Vino & primo! :friends:

 

[Benuw]

Great post CC 2U, I've never had pm in fifteen years of indoor gardening until about 2 weeks ago. Not a great thing to get. Sulfur stinks. Great tip on spraying the water on when tge lights turn on to avoid the phytotoxicity issue.

 

[Microbeman]

SOTF420 & CC Coot; I can actually see the points on each side but first wish to point out a discrepency in the discussion. Sotf is talking about foliar feeding while, if I'm not mistaken, my good friend Coot, is primarily addressing pathogen prevention and treatment through foliar applications. I am, like Sotf, not a fan of foliar feeding and am dubious concerning its efficacy. I am ready to learn if mistaken.

Something else noted is that Sotf has aligned PM with 'rot & mold' It is indeed a mold, no doubt; but in those terms most equate it with wet conditions, etc. There are, as I'm positive you know, many strains of PM and the strains which go for hemp/cannabis do positively fine in dry conditions. [the same can be said for the PM on grapes; just ask some Cali grape growers] As for rain and other liquids falling on the foliage being a contributing factor, I have learned to have my doubts through a broad experience with fighting this beast. The highest success rate in eliminating PM came with very strictly applied natural growing techniques with live soil and overhead irrigation through misting sprinkler heads pumping out properly made compost tea. In a greenhouse which had endured 90% PM pressure it reversed to about 5% PM.

As for the comments concerning the prowess of the Cali vanguard growers, having been around for a while, I can attest that here in BC 'once upon a time not too long ago' we saw California dudes among the many lined up, money in hand for some BC bud and to learn from growers here.

Unfortunately some un-named big powerful government sent helicopters and mean agents with pockets full of cash to seek and destroy our fields, while convincing our government to tighten the marijuana laws under threat of trade sanctions; then boom that un-named big powerful government loosens its marijuana laws, thereby virtually eliminating BC as a competitor in the legal cannabis trade.

 

[guest2012y]

SOTF420

I asked this specific question because as you've probably heard it rains a sh*t-load here in the PNW. The 'Boys of Summer' are usually found on their knees and praying to the various incarnations of 'God' at the end of September to keep the autumn rains at bay until the middle of October. I'm speaking of the growers west of the Cascades.

It's always been an interesting study and it's not unique to the cannabis growers, i.e. the wine grape growers are sitting in the same pew alongside the cannabis growers.

I'd love to have a piece of the donations - LOL

CC

You don't know PM until you've met PNW rainforest PM. I don't give a shit what anyone says is a PM resistant type..it's 99% bullshit.
I've had types that were marketed as "PM resistant" that got PM so bad it's like they were magnates for it right out of the seed.

There are types of PM that function well in dry and wet climates...all in the same microclimate. I'd figure out what behavior anyone's particular type of PM does and then learn how to control it from there. I had one type that laughed at UV light and only spread facing the direction the fans blew from.

Good luck thinking you are going to stop it when the spores are in the air and on every non-native plant around. I won't use chemicals and don't know a single one of the higher quality peeps that would think of using something chemically scary. Best thing to do...move to a dryer climate if you want to grow big bud making IBL's. Otherwise it's a hit and miss game with cannabis types and PM in some PNW areas.

Some types are PM resistant,but none of the types that say they are. Some types even have a PM resistant pheno and a PM magnate pheno. PM resistance IMO is directly related to leaf type. The thicker leathery leaved types do very well,the thinner leaved types often get eaten alive. Also most of the big tight flower types are targets. However,some types build buds so tight that PM can't get in...that's where botrytis takes over. That's not to say that a Kali mist I have is indeed PM resistant,because there are indeed some types that do well in the face of PM.
It's genetic,it's environmental,humidity,etc.it's a # of things coming into play with our friend PM.

 

[Scrappy4]

You know i have never personally seen PM on MJ plants in MI (the great lake state). I have seen it on some zucchini in my garden in a wet summer once, and I have seen bud rot, especially outside in late sept when we can get frequent rains. And i have heard about it in damp mildewy basement grows in MI. I suppose i should not temp fate by saying anything, but so far no PM, and I must have seen a couple dozen grows and hundreds maybe thousands of plants, since we got legal in 08. We do have our issues with short growing season, plenty of hungry bugs, the po po and their blackhawks and all. I have seen freezes into June and early frost in sept, but knocking on wood, no PM......scrappy

 

[Corpsey]

these are before i sprayed anything, those liquid shiny spots must be from the AACT (1 week ago).

before spraying Baking soda...

 

[Corpsey]

6 hours later after spraying Baking Soda on em (but before spraying water)....

 

[Corpsey]

12 hours after spraying them down with water (today)....

 

[Corpsey]

thank all of you guys for your responses and opinions.

It is not just one or two leaves. yesterday when i went to go spray them with BS i found more with it. about 8.

any ideas?