omg what if a bill like this passed?? and Cali actually defended its people against the Federal Corporation of America??? it would make me proud to be an american again
The Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Act of 2012
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It should allow every one 25 plants a year... and then you should be able to get a business license and grow more.... i mean they dont limit wine to 25 grape lines per year.
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guest86120975
I still like my idea better than legalization (for now, anyway).
Yes, this would be great. But, I'm not confident that 5% more of the vote can be swayed.
Right now, I think the best solution is to vote on an act which implements a MANDATORY MAXIMUM penalty of 6 months for ANY non-violent marijuana offense, with the exception of sales to minors and growing on property that you don't have permission to grow on (ie- national parks). Also, causing environmental damage could be a special offense added in the amendment.
Yes, this would be great. But, I'm not confident that 5% more of the vote can be swayed.
Right now, I think the best solution is to vote on an act which implements a MANDATORY MAXIMUM penalty of 6 months for ANY non-violent marijuana offense, with the exception of sales to minors and growing on property that you don't have permission to grow on (ie- national parks). Also, causing environmental damage could be a special offense added in the amendment.
just have multiple non growing people have some mail sent to your address, and have them declare they live there if there is ever a problem. oh officer 7 people live here....
of course if that law passes how much effort do you think they will be putting into busting you. plus you can still have your med license. Also on top of that you would have state protection from the fed. so just grow 12 huge trees at a time. They wont know if you have 12 huge trees in your house before that. Trees are great too cause you get super huge arm sized colas.
You can grow in your own home and ONLY plant numbers are at issue. Well if this passes they will have no right to enter your home and count plants.
There is no BULL SHIT 5'x5' rule. It is also per adult. If they pop into your house and you have 50 goining in flower hopefully there are two adults living there, but if this shit really passes what you do in your home won't matter because there will be HUGE commercial ops going. Home grown will not be able to compete on scale, only quality. If you want more than 25 you can grow more same as grapes for wine, but they will want a piece of the action if you are an admitted commercial grower.
I can't find anything wrong with this. Warrants to enter homes based on suspected cannabis cultivation should drop to ZERO.
I love this plan.
I think well more than 5% of the vote could swing towards this proposal. It is WAY better than prop 19. Prop 19 had a huge amount of haters from this very community. I see those haters (myself included) turning to champions of this proposal.
I have great respect for the people that are putting this on the ballot!
maybe I missed it, wheres the parts regarding federal views/laws? I see that they prohibit state LEO from cooperating with feds, however nothing regarding feds themselves (DEA).
you can regulate it like wine all you want, thats how I feel it should be treated, as a crop. However if its still schedule 1 federally, shit will still hit the fan.
I think this so far looks way better than 19 ever was, I still think the focus should be on shifting federal policy, THEN shifting local/state policy.
I know I know,,,, baby steps. We've had MMJ for over a decade and people are still getting jailed regularly though. Federal policy must change.
you can regulate it like wine all you want, thats how I feel it should be treated, as a crop. However if its still schedule 1 federally, shit will still hit the fan.
I think this so far looks way better than 19 ever was, I still think the focus should be on shifting federal policy, THEN shifting local/state policy.
I know I know,,,, baby steps. We've had MMJ for over a decade and people are still getting jailed regularly though. Federal policy must change.
How can shit hit the fan? Who do you think will be on the federal juries? Could it be California residents? If this passes NO fucking jury will convict a Californian for growing plants. It takes a UNANIMOUS guilty vote to convict. NO chance in hell the feds can get a conviction when ALL the jurors have friends and family smoking and growing.
The part about the species ruderalis, indica, americana, etc... needs to be taken out.
we stoners talk about indica and sativa, but they are all the same species these days in the Linnaean system.
"useful" lettuce = lactuga "sativa"
"useful" cannabis - cannabis sativa
we stoners talk about indica and sativa, but they are all the same species these days in the Linnaean system.
"useful" lettuce = lactuga "sativa"
"useful" cannabis - cannabis sativa
Only part I see wrong so far is it says Cali not MIch. Or federally.
Blowing up houses will be foolish child's play, our friends will be blowing up farms and warehouses!
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guest8905
this was my first take but after reading and thinking more I tend to agree. We r in rome so why not try to adapt to the roman shit........
i like its protection from leo. Also like plant numbers as they benefit both the home growers, mom and pops as well as setting up an industry where people could get into it with out feeling like they operate in a grey area of the law, as today is.
out of all the things ive read (ie porp19, lots of city ordinances for medical, the new hga thing for humboldt,) this def has a good vibe going for it, but allows those guys that really do want to go big a way. I live in the norcal wonderland and was bred here. Driving up and down the 101 around sonoma you see a lot of nice large scale vinyards which are nice and have there place, especially if they are large scale and somewhat sustainable. But you also drive and see very small quant winerys that are very very small but the stuff is (from what i hear, stickky only puff mon) it is some of the best wine in the world.
So i realy see this as a good step, althoguh I wonder how likely it will be to see it up to the voters booth. I hope it gets there.
ajc0k
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Now we're talkin.. hahah.Blowing up houses will be foolish child's play, our friends will be blowing up farms and warehouses!
How can shit hit the fan? Who do you think will be on the federal juries? Could it be California residents? If this passes NO fucking jury will convict a Californian for growing plants. It takes a UNANIMOUS guilty vote to convict. NO chance in hell the feds can get a conviction when ALL the jurors have friends and family smoking and growing.
I get the whole jury nullification type approach, however a judge, before accepting ANY juror, would ask them if they could convict someone for violating federal law, if they did indeed violate a federal law, regardless of any state laws authorizing such acts. Its black and white in the CSA that cannabis (even mmj) is illegal.
sitting there saying 'naw I couldn't do it man' and the judge would be fine with that, "you're excused now, next potential juror please." Eventually you'd get a jury of people that in a federal court, would convict someone of violating federal law. Would it happen every day? even regularly? probably not, however if one person is jailed for what should be legal (as far as state law is concerned) its an unfortunate speed bump, however I don't wish that on anyone, much less would want to risk it myself. "Legal" and "fear of prosecution" shouldn't be anywhere near each other.
the imbalance between state/federal law is what will cause rifts because although it would be completely 100% legal and regulated under state law, its still 100% illegal under federal law.
Not everyone and their mother thinks weed should be legal, a decent majority yes, however these are the same people (jurors) that convict medical patients of BS charges as of today, prop 19 had what, close to 46% approval? thats 5 1/2 jurors out of the 12 that support legalization, yet still say "guilty" when it matters as of right now. I know you could get a jury to nullify in Nor Cal because truly everyone and their brother has ties to the canna industry, but that's not universal across the state, much less the country.
of course the feds SHOULD recognize the 10th amendment and states rights, however they don't as of right now, so why would that change? DEA loves low hanging fruit.
I'm all for legalization and I've always been one to compare the cannabis industry to the wine/beer industry. They absolutely should be treated the same.
this is a great step yes, however we are far from "legal" as we (probably) all envision it. The ONLY way to get to the utopia of full on legalization would be to dramatically shift federal policy. Would still vote yes on this and any other well written piece, just pining for true legalization.
I know, I know. baby steps.
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draco
it makes sense and therefore hasn't a chance.
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guest86120975
Once again, the vote we need is to create maximum penalties for non-violent marijuana offenses of 6 months in jail/probation. The legalization vote isn't ready yet.
Non presidential voting cycle saw less than 10% participation from the young. Unfortunately or not the voting percentage will be much higher in a presidential election year. Should be easy to swing towards the pro side with much more younger vote and a way better proposal.
As for specific fears or concerns, looking at a white woman twice, etc. I'll leave that up to the individual.
