Life without Gravity.

[h.h.]

So far I've received only a few good answers and a lot of comment by those who have never used the product. We have established that it works. Kelp extract seems to be the best answer as to why.
The question is, is it better than kelp or maybe not as good? Has anybody used both on separate grows?

 

[h.h.]

Oh yeah,
without
and without.

Ditto, nice plants.
I've seen beautiful plants that don't stand up in density to gravity. Can't really tell from a picture.

 

[mad librettist]

So far I've received only a few good answers and a lot of comment by those who have never used the product. We have established that it works. Kelp extract seems to be the best answer as to why.
The question is, is it better than kelp or maybe not as good? Has anybody used both on separate grows?

well if you want to discuss it here, expect all kinds of responses.

including really good advice on being a smarter consumer.

 

[h.h.]

well if you want to discuss it here, expect all kinds of responses.

including really good advice on being a smarter consumer.

That's why I brought it here.
It isn't good advice to knock what one hasn't used. It is only following the trend of hating fancy labels.
. I used to call it the anti establishment establishment.
To use either Gravity or kelp, I have to spend money. They are both commercial products sold at the hydro store. Forget the name, forget the label. Colored ink costs only slightly more and I see it on all kinds of products. My floor sweep comes in a bag with 3 different colors and all kinds of pictures.
What I want to discuss is alternatives and how they stack up against the product. I don't care who is the biggest soil snob. Only who is the most soil intelligent.
Let's not bicker over bull shit.

 

[h.h.]

Speaking of following trends...I transplanted some clover from the yard in my DE. It's doing well.

 

[headees]

I used it as a foliar in the second week of flower to stop the stretch in a vert setup. It worked but caused the plants to have twisted, gnarled leaves, and this was at less than half of the recommended dose. Despite the appearance they were healthy and end product was good. Ive heard of other people having these leaf disfigurements, not sure what is in the product but I would bet its not just kelp and phosphoric acid. Not sure how much more dense the nugs were, but I think using it later in flower is how you get the super dense nugs. I just wanted to stop verticle growth, which it did.

 

[mad librettist]

That's why I brought it here.
It isn't good advice to knock what one hasn't used. It is only following the trend of hating fancy labels.
. I used to call it the anti establishment establishment.
To use either Gravity or kelp, I have to spend money. They are both commercial products sold at the hydro store. Forget the name, forget the label. Colored ink costs only slightly more and I see it on all kinds of products. My floor sweep comes in a bag with 3 different colors and all kinds of pictures.
What I want to discuss is alternatives and how they stack up against the product. I don't care who is the biggest soil snob. Only who is the most soil intelligent.
Let's not bicker over bull shit.

Well maybe try to see it from my perspective for a second.

This "gravity" product, and many others like it all fit a pattern. The bigger picture is a massive swindle that relies on association with a product that sells at a very inflated price on the black market. Further, we have noticed that the "fortune teller" principle seems to apply: if a fortune teller is wrong 8 times out of 10, there are 2 people out there absolutely convinced of her powers.

Then we see side-by-sides that claim to show a difference in bud density, when all they show is one plant bent over and another one not bent over.


Maybe you won't change your mind and decide to save your money for a big bag of rock dust, but lots of people read this and I'd like to see these nute companies suffer a bit.

For your clover transplants, I recommend the seaweed extract from KISS, occasional compost, occasional crab shell meal, and occasional fish hydrolysate.

 

[pinecone]

To use either Gravity or kelp, I have to spend money. They are both commercial products sold at the hydro store. Forget the name, forget the label.

I don't know what size grow you have and whether you can benefit from buying in bulk. If you can and kelp is a suitable substitute, it is way cheaper than Gravity. I recently asked about a 50lb bag of kelp meal that I bought in another thread and the discussion came around to pricing. It seems that 50lbs of kelp meal can be purchased for anywhere between $40 and $60 from farm stores. 50lbs is a lot of fucking kelp; more than I'll ever need indoors.

What I want to discuss is alternatives and how they stack up against the product.

I don't have the instinctive aversion to hydro shops or bottled products that many here do and I would like to discuss alternatives to Gravity, but the lack of information in the Gravity labeling makes it pretty much impossible. You almost need someone who wasn't satisfied with the density of their buds, decided kelp (or something else) was the answer, and then started using it with improved results. I've personally never felt like bud density was any sort of issue, but then again I use kelp.

Pine

 

[h.h.]

Well maybe try to see it from my perspective for a second.

This "gravity" product, and many others like it all fit a pattern. The bigger picture is a massive swindle that relies on association with a product that sells at a very inflated price on the black market. Further, we have noticed that the "fortune teller" principle seems to apply: if a fortune teller is wrong 8 times out of 10, there are 2 people out there absolutely convinced of her powers.

Then we see side-by-sides that claim to show a difference in bud density, when all they show is one plant bent over and another one not bent over.


Maybe you won't change your mind and decide to save your money for a big bag of rock dust, but lots of people read this and I'd like to see these nute companies suffer a bit.

For your clover transplants, I recommend the seaweed extract from KISS, occasional compost, occasional crab shell meal, and occasional fish hydrolysate.

I do see it from your prespective and do agree whole heartily. I'm looking for life without Gravity. Just don't want to cut off my nose...
Don't knock the pictures. You just can't tell from pictures. There is a difference. Perhaps a difference I can overcome by using kelp. That's what I'm here to find out.
The clover isn't getting fed. If it doesn't live, it's compost.

 

[vonforne]

You don't have any idea what you are talking about. I addressed this in my post above.

Comments like this are laughable.

I hope it isn't your intention to spread misinformation. Gravity contains, much, much more than phosphorus and it is NOT a phosphorus supplement. Even if Emerald Triangle wanted to list everything in the container they couldn't. Do not think you have a clue what is inside of the stuff, or how it works, if you have never had the testicular fortitude to use it yourself.

CC knows more about growing than you could possibly learn in a life time.

What is laughable is that you have the ego to go with the price tag of something we can make for pennies and get better results.

Becareful who you insult here and enjoy the forum.

V

 

[organicterra]

Ditto, nice plants.
I've seen beautiful plants that don't stand up in density to gravity. Can't really tell from a picture.

Thanks,
You're right, it's hard to tell density from pictures. But, those flowers are as tight and hard as they could possibly be. I really don't see how they could get any denser.

OT

 

[mad librettist]

I do see it from your prespective and do agree whole heartily. I'm looking for life without Gravity. Just don't want to cut off my nose...
Don't knock the pictures. You just can't tell from pictures. There is a difference. Perhaps a difference I can overcome by using kelp. That's what I'm here to find out.
The clover isn't getting fed. If it doesn't live, it's compost.

If you concentrate on keeping a healthy clover bed, your cannabis will be healthy. If your clover is P deficient your cannabis will be too.


You are also testing whatever as a foliar if you water with a sprayer.


Anyway, go with the KISS seaweed extract and whatever fish hydrolysate you can find.

 

[OjoRojo420]

Hello,

I've been using phosphoric acid as PH down for the present grow and surely can see denser bud development:

So I concur with the benefits of phosphoric acid during flowering (nitric acid would be better during vegetative stage).

Adding any Gravity would seem redundant and expensive.

Ojo

 

[h.h.]

Thanks,
You're right, it's hard to tell density from pictures. But, those flowers are as tight and hard as they could possibly be. I really don't see how they could get any denser.

OT

I believe you on density.
Maybe they could be harder. Not that you'd want them to.
Overuse of Gravity can result hard to burn rocks. Overly dense.
I gather, from your previous post, it seems that perhaps kelp is all I'm after.
Actually, I kind of knew that. Just looking for different alternatives.

 

[h.h.]

If you concentrate on keeping a healthy clover bed, your cannabis will be healthy. If your clover is P deficient your cannabis will be too.


You are also testing whatever as a foliar if you water with a sprayer.


Anyway, go with the KISS seaweed extract and whatever fish hydrolysate you can find.

I just watch the cannabis. That's my thinking though where I have it in the starter box. It gives me something to watch.

I don't know what size grow you have and whether you can benefit from buying in bulk. If you can and kelp is a suitable substitute, it is way cheaper than Gravity. I recently asked about a 50lb bag of kelp meal that I bought in another thread and the discussion came around to pricing. It seems that 50lbs of kelp meal can be purchased for anywhere between $40 and $60 from farm stores. 50lbs is a lot of fucking kelp; more than I'll ever need indoors.



I don't have the instinctive aversion to hydro shops or bottled products that many here do and I would like to discuss alternatives to Gravity, but the lack of information in the Gravity labeling makes it pretty much impossible. You almost need someone who wasn't satisfied with the density of their buds, decided kelp (or something else) was the answer, and then started using it with improved results. I've personally never felt like bud density was any sort of issue, but then again I use kelp.

Pine

I just keep a personal grow. A small bottle lasts me a long time so the cost is minimal.
However the cost of kelp in bulk is about the same and I could try on the veggies as well.
I pretty much need someone who has used both.

 

[soil margin]

lot of comment by those who have never used the product. We have established that it works.

1. I have used the product, dozens of times in fact.

2. We have not established that it works, we have anecdotal claims from a few growers with absolutely ZERO hard evidence, other than "Dude my buds are like rock hard bro, gravity is da bomb."

 

[soil margin]

Check these plants out:
One has gravity
The other doesnt, Ill let you decide

Both plants are clones off the same mom grown at the same time.

I can go into my garden and take pics of 10 plants, clones of the same size from the same mother. Half of them have fallen over from top weight, half of them have not. Which would totally back up your claim, except none of my plants received any gravity.

Did you ever stop to consider that perhaps there are other variables going into these conditions besides what elite chems you pick up from the hydro store?

 

[vonforne]

Hello,

I've been using phosphoric acid as PH down for the present grow and surely can see denser bud development:

So I concur with the benefits of phosphoric acid during flowering (nitric acid would be better during vegetative stage).

Adding any Gravity would seem redundant and expensive.

Ojo

Next round try using Citric acid for your PH down. It also helps convert the phosphorus in the soil for plant uptake. There is a thread by a member named Spurr. Check it out for the details.

V

 

[CC_2U]

The registrar for the product line called "Humboldt County's Own" (link to registration of their products listing various element content) was handled by a marketing company called 'Emerald Triange' in Fortuna, California. For Washington, Oregon & California they used this name - with a P.O. Box.

No problem there - another marketing firm was the registrar with EPA and the Labor Department, Eel River Hydroponics (located at the same company as Emerald Triangle) which is the mail order branch of the 'real' parent company - Fortuna Hydroponics Equipment Supplies.

The 'scientist' who is this mythical, magical, mystical marijuana maven is identified as 'The Doc' (Phillip Leavitt) - the creative genius behind the Emerald Triangle product. He has other product lines but that's neither here nor there. I'm sure they'e all as top-notch as the Emerald Triangle line-up.

The 'genius' comes from Mr. Leavitt using KELPAK out of South Africa. KELPAK is an unusual seaweed extract in that it has absolutely no color at all - crystal clear. This is the specific product preferred by the hydro kids because it isn't black like every other seaweed extract from around the world - Maxicrop, ASL, KelpGrow, Eco-Nutrients, et al.

So boiling this down you have a hydroponic store located in Fortuna, California that is often described in travel guides as "Just like Barstow but with trees!" running a number of shell games with DBAs and PO boxes has somehow turned the world of botany on its head. Right there in beautiful downtown Fortuna!

All in the process of diluting a commercial seaweed extract down to, and let me repeat THEIR numbers - not mine - not the state of Washington - but their numbers: 0-0.1-0%

I need a hankie!

They just don't know how agricultural labeling works.

I'm learning.............

CC

 

[vonforne]

The registrar for the product line called "Humboldt County's Own" (link to registration of their products listing various element content) was handled by a marketing company called 'Emerald Triange' in Fortuna, California. For Washington, Oregon & California they used this name - with a P.O. Box.

No problem there - another marketing firm was the registrar with EPA and the Labor Department, Eel River Hydroponics (located at the same company as Emerald Triangle) which is the mail order branch of the 'real' parent company - Fortuna Hydroponics Equipment Supplies.

The 'scientist' who is this mythical, magical, mystical marijuana maven is identified as 'The Doc' (Phillip Leavitt) - the creative genius behind the Emerald Triangle product. He has others but that's neither here nor there.

The 'genius' comes from Mr. Leavitt using KELPAK out of South Africa. KELPAK is an unusual seaweed extract in that it has absolutely no color at all - crystal clear. This is the specific product preferred by the hydro kids because it isn't black like every other seaweed extract from around the world - Maxicrop, ASL, KelpGrow, Eco-Nutrients, et al.

So boiling this down you have a hydroponic store located in Fortuna, California that is often described in travel guides as "Just like Barstow but with trees!" running a number of shell games with DBAs and PO boxes has somehow turned the world of botany on its head.

All in the process of diluting a commercial seaweed extract down to, and let me repeat THEIR numbers - not mine - not the state of Washington - but their numbers: 0-0.1-0%

I need a hankie!



I'm learning.............

CC

I love your delivery.........classic.

LMFAO