Life without Gravity.
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I'm not sure what to tell you...I've never purchased this product, and my buds seems to firm up nice on their own??
Looks to be kelp and vitamin b1 or something...nothing you can't easily recreate. I would try to use it on half your room, adn then not on the other..and watch how similar they look/taste/smoke, etc..
You'll quickly find that money would be better spent elsewhere I believe.
Looks to be kelp and vitamin b1 or something...nothing you can't easily recreate. I would try to use it on half your room, adn then not on the other..and watch how similar they look/taste/smoke, etc..
You'll quickly find that money would be better spent elsewhere I believe.
Gravity seems to produce results when used with any nute regimen for sure I hope to hear everyone's input on this- I know gravity makes buds more dense and not just increasing yield but I am kind of doing something similar.....
I've been trying to play around and create an organic mix to substitute as a bloom booster but I'm not using an organic base. Basically, I'm just trying to dramatically increase yield with adding only organics. ( I'm using mild strength floraduo w/ floralicous/floranectar/also hygrozyme ) So far a mix of sunleaves seabird guano 10-10-1?, sunleaves jamaican bat guano 0-10-.5, and technaflora soluable seaweed extract 1-0-22 seems to be where its at. So far I would say it's all about tweaking the nitrogen level just right for each particular strain, but you got too add some N imo. With P and K it seems there is a large forgiving range between enough and too much. I thought I over did the N with this Blue Dream but maybe not....it probably will go an extra week than usual but def added some poundage... I don't use CO2
I've been trying to play around and create an organic mix to substitute as a bloom booster but I'm not using an organic base. Basically, I'm just trying to dramatically increase yield with adding only organics. ( I'm using mild strength floraduo w/ floralicous/floranectar/also hygrozyme ) So far a mix of sunleaves seabird guano 10-10-1?, sunleaves jamaican bat guano 0-10-.5, and technaflora soluable seaweed extract 1-0-22 seems to be where its at. So far I would say it's all about tweaking the nitrogen level just right for each particular strain, but you got too add some N imo. With P and K it seems there is a large forgiving range between enough and too much. I thought I over did the N with this Blue Dream but maybe not....it probably will go an extra week than usual but def added some poundage... I don't use CO2
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Emeral Triangle
Fortuna, CA 95540
Product Name:
Humboldt County's Own Gravity Flower Hardener 0-.1-0
Here's the analysis submitted by Emerald Triangle to the Washington State Department of Agriculture.
Available Phosphoric Acid (P2O5) - 0.1000%
1/10th of 1%.
And it is a Phosphate-Containing Fertilizer Material
Pretty expensive source of Phosphoric Acid but YMMV
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Emeral Triangle
Fortuna, CA 95540
Product Name:
Humboldt County's Own Gravity Flower Hardener 0-.1-0
Here's the analysis submitted by Emerald Triangle to the Washington State Department of Agriculture.
Available Phosphoric Acid (P2O5) - 0.1000%
1/10th of 1%.
And it is a Phosphate-Containing Fertilizer Material
Pretty expensive source of Phosphoric Acid but YMMV
CC
For me same strain grown side by side, one in hydro with gravity and purp max, the other in soil with all organic. soil was still more dense and just as frosty.
think its a bit of hype tbh.
think its a bit of hype tbh.
Zendo
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The answer would be : Kelp/Soft Rock Phosphate/ B1
And shiny label that says humboldt on it...</snerk>
If you haven't done simultaneous SBS grows with clones of the same size from the same mother, in addition to all other variables being kept constant, then you really don't know if the product works or not.
I hear lots of hype about these products, I've NEVER seen someone do a scientifically valid grow experiment that shows any evidence to back up the claims made by the manufacturer.
i got rid of bushmaster and gravity . both didnt do me any good.
Let's just say I assume it works by the many grows I've seen and done with it and with out it. I assume nitrogen works by the same deductions. I haven't done a clone test with salt but I assume it doesn't work.
The shit works on the strains I've used it on. Overuse will result in overly dense weed.
I don't use kelp. Never tried it. I've done fine without it. Perhaps because I use Gravity. As a little goes a long ways, I'm not sure the cost is significant when compared to kelp. Though kelp might be a more natural delivery method.
Is it worth the switch? Other than density, I'm not looking for other benefits.
I've been using gravity for a while. I think it's funny when people refer to it as a phosphorus supplement. They just don't know how agricultural labeling works.
Bottom line, we don't have any idea what is in the bottle. There's no way to know without stealing the recipe from the company, because in addition to not being required to list all the ingredients, they are actually legally required to leave off all "non plant foods" as determined by some gov't agency.
I use the product just as flowering is waning to reinitiate that vigor. The result is that kind of "flower on flower" stacking and more new white hairs later into flowering. This seems to bring the density you're after.
If you want to get big thick dense buds my suggestions are these:
1. Initiate flowering earlier using a supplement like AN Bud Blood. It's no mystery that these budding initiators are proven and effective and used by many growers.
2. Incorporate the use of both cold and chemical kelp extracts. Use in a foliar spray with a small amount of Fulvic Acid (and a drop of Ivory dish soap) The combination of the three, directly to the undersides of the leaves at lights on during the first 3-4 weeks of flowering will keep your internode distance tight. The Fulvic acid will help the plant break down the starches it produces to help generate more energy for bud development.
3. Use a mixed spectrum of a high wattage. Everyone knows that the more light and, more specifically, PAR the plant has access to the larger and denser the flowers will become. Under lit plants are fluffy, so get your air cooled 1000w reflectors down nice and low to an even canopy for the final denseness.
Nothing else I could think of.
Bottom line, we don't have any idea what is in the bottle. There's no way to know without stealing the recipe from the company, because in addition to not being required to list all the ingredients, they are actually legally required to leave off all "non plant foods" as determined by some gov't agency.
I use the product just as flowering is waning to reinitiate that vigor. The result is that kind of "flower on flower" stacking and more new white hairs later into flowering. This seems to bring the density you're after.
If you want to get big thick dense buds my suggestions are these:
1. Initiate flowering earlier using a supplement like AN Bud Blood. It's no mystery that these budding initiators are proven and effective and used by many growers.
2. Incorporate the use of both cold and chemical kelp extracts. Use in a foliar spray with a small amount of Fulvic Acid (and a drop of Ivory dish soap) The combination of the three, directly to the undersides of the leaves at lights on during the first 3-4 weeks of flowering will keep your internode distance tight. The Fulvic acid will help the plant break down the starches it produces to help generate more energy for bud development.
3. Use a mixed spectrum of a high wattage. Everyone knows that the more light and, more specifically, PAR the plant has access to the larger and denser the flowers will become. Under lit plants are fluffy, so get your air cooled 1000w reflectors down nice and low to an even canopy for the final denseness.
Nothing else I could think of.
I use gravity, no doubt in my mind it works.
Ive being growing same pineapple express I sprouted 2 years ago. I root prune the mom every month, she has been in a 6" square put her whole life.
I've used gravity on one PE and one PE with out it. They were put into flower exactly the same time. The PE that received gravity had nugs touching the ground and the other PE just had large nugs. The gravity PE nugs were hard as rocks, literally.
I have never seen such drastic results from so little. I used it for only 14 days, last two week of flower. 2 TSP in 5 gallons in RO/DI as stand alone.
I had to upgrade my fan and air movement because it made my nugs so dense I was pron to bug rot.
Just my own results, but between the PE with gravity and the PE with out gravity; the PE with, weighed 8 grams more. That isn't just one plant figures. On average plants with gravity weigh 8-12grams more.
I think that is impressive in terms of return on investment.
Ive being growing same pineapple express I sprouted 2 years ago. I root prune the mom every month, she has been in a 6" square put her whole life.
I've used gravity on one PE and one PE with out it. They were put into flower exactly the same time. The PE that received gravity had nugs touching the ground and the other PE just had large nugs. The gravity PE nugs were hard as rocks, literally.
I have never seen such drastic results from so little. I used it for only 14 days, last two week of flower. 2 TSP in 5 gallons in RO/DI as stand alone.
I had to upgrade my fan and air movement because it made my nugs so dense I was pron to bug rot.
Just my own results, but between the PE with gravity and the PE with out gravity; the PE with, weighed 8 grams more. That isn't just one plant figures. On average plants with gravity weigh 8-12grams more.
I think that is impressive in terms of return on investment.
I use gravity, no doubt in my mind it works.
Ive being growing the same pineapple express I sprouted 2 years ago. I root prune the mom every month, she has been in a 6" square put her whole life.
I've used gravity on one PE and one PE with out it. They were put into flower exactly the same time. The PE that received gravity had nugs touching the ground and the other PE just had large nugs. The gravity PE nugs were hard as rocks, literally.
I have never seen such drastic results from so little. I used it for only 14 days, last two week of flower. 2 TSP in 5 gallons in RO/DI as stand alone.
I now use it during my flush, @ 2TSP per 5 gallons of water. The results are just unquestionable IMO.
I had to upgrade my fan and air movement because it made my nugs so dense I was pron to bud rot.
Just my own results, but between the PE with gravity and the PE with out gravity; the PE with, weighed 8 grams more. That isn't just one plant figures. On average plants with gravity weigh 8-12grams more.
I think that is impressive in terms of return on investment.
Check these plants out:
One has gravity
The other doesnt, Ill let you decide
Both plants are clones off the same mom grown at the same time.
Ive being growing the same pineapple express I sprouted 2 years ago. I root prune the mom every month, she has been in a 6" square put her whole life.
I've used gravity on one PE and one PE with out it. They were put into flower exactly the same time. The PE that received gravity had nugs touching the ground and the other PE just had large nugs. The gravity PE nugs were hard as rocks, literally.
I have never seen such drastic results from so little. I used it for only 14 days, last two week of flower. 2 TSP in 5 gallons in RO/DI as stand alone.
I now use it during my flush, @ 2TSP per 5 gallons of water. The results are just unquestionable IMO.
I had to upgrade my fan and air movement because it made my nugs so dense I was pron to bud rot.
Just my own results, but between the PE with gravity and the PE with out gravity; the PE with, weighed 8 grams more. That isn't just one plant figures. On average plants with gravity weigh 8-12grams more.
I think that is impressive in terms of return on investment.
Check these plants out:
One has gravity
The other doesnt, Ill let you decide
Both plants are clones off the same mom grown at the same time.
organicterra
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Kelp foliars in veg.
Top dress fish bone meal and k mag in flower.
Water with humic acid and aloe vera juice.
Bright lights, good soil.
=Big Rock Hard Nugs (strain dependent)
Top dress fish bone meal and k mag in flower.
Water with humic acid and aloe vera juice.
Bright lights, good soil.
=Big Rock Hard Nugs (strain dependent)
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Wow! Nice plants!
Just think what a bit of 0.1% of Phosphoric Acid would have added, eh?
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Just think what a bit of 0.1% of Phosphoric Acid would have added, eh?
CC
You don't have any idea what you are talking about. I addressed this in my post above.
Comments like this are laughable.
I hope it isn't your intention to spread misinformation. Gravity contains, much, much more than phosphorus and it is NOT a phosphorus supplement. Even if Emerald Triangle wanted to list everything in the container they couldn't. Do not think you have a clue what is inside of the stuff, or how it works, if you have never had the testicular fortitude to use it yourself.
Why couldn't they say "derived from kelp, malted barley extract,....?" I've certainly seen these sorts of labels on other products.
I don't know what is in it or how it works. This is exactly the reason I wouldn't buy it or use it. If I'm going to use something on plants that people are going to smoke (me mostly), let alone pay $25 for 8oz, I want to know what is in it and how it works. Trust us isn't good enough.
Additionally, given that this particular company produces a number of supplements, all of which they claim will produce better, more resinous, and heavier flowers, it becomes very difficult and time consuming to evaluate merits of individual products. How exactly do you know that the it is the Gravity that is producing the rock hard buds as opposed to the Snow Storm or the Sonic Boom? If the gravity produces rock hard buds wouldn't they be even better with the Sonic Boom and Snow Storm? I suspect if you asked the company they would say that the need to be used together for best results.
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