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HUGE

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INDIANAPOLIS — People have no right to resist if police officers illegally enter their home, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled in a decision that overturns centuries of common law.

The court issued its 3-2 ruling on Thursday, contending that allowing residents to resist officers who enter their homes without any right would increase the risk of violent confrontation. If police enter a home illegally, the courts are the proper place to protest it, Justice Steven David said.

"We believe ... a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence," David said. "We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest."

Justices Robert Rucker and Brent Dickson strongly dissented, saying the ruling runs afoul of the U.S. Constitution's Fourth Amendment against unreasonable search and seizure, The Times of Munster reported.

"In my view the majority sweeps with far too broad a brush by essentially telling Indiana citizens that government agents may now enter their homes illegally — that is, without the necessity of a warrant, consent or exigent circumstances," Rucker said.

Both dissenting justices suggested they would have supported the ruling if the court had limited its scope to stripping the right to resist officers who enter homes illegally in cases where they suspect domestic violence is being committed.

But Dickson said, "The wholesale abrogation of the historic right of a person to reasonably resist unlawful police entry into his dwelling is unwarranted and unnecessarily broad."

The court's decision stemmed from a Vanderburgh County case in which a man yelled at police and blocked them from entering his apartment to investigate a domestic disturbance. The man shoved a police officer who entered anyway and was shocked with a stun gun and arrested.

Valparaiso University School of Law professor Ivan Bodensteiner told The Times that the court's decision is consistent with the idea of preventing violence.

"It's not surprising that they would say there's no right to beat the hell out of the officer," Bodensteiner said. "(The court is saying) we would rather opt on the side of saying if the police act wrongfully in entering your house your remedy is under law, to bring a civil action against the officer."

Thursday's decision was the court's second ruling this week involving police entry into a home.

On Tuesday, the court said police serving a warrant may enter a home without knocking if officers decide circumstances justify it. Previously, police serving a warrant had to obtain a judge's permission to enter without knocking.
 

bentom187

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WTF seriousley? well i hope they took into account that they may be injured being mistaken for a intruder or if somone decides to boobytrap it,i dont think they can call that resisting the officers. BTW i wouldnt do either,but boobytraps with fireworks and sillystring sounds fun, im sure they would shit themselves when string flies across their goggles and they cant see crap then hear all the popping going off, lol i wont be around but i think i would record it.
 

HUGE

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WTF seriousley? well i hope they took into account that they may be injured being mistaken for a intruder or if somone decides to boobytrap it,i dont think they can call that resisting the officers. BTW i wouldnt do either,but boobytraps with fireworks and sillystring sounds fun, im sure they would shit themselves when string flies across their goggles and they cant see crap then hear all the popping going off, lol i wont be around but i think i would record it.

10 buck says sillystring = returning gunfire.
 

bentom187

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my imagination is going nuts right now with practical jokes to play on them.
if you have a "grow house" or get a bait grow house ,line the entire thing with mylar and mirrors, make the call,when they charge in and raise their gun theres going to be 60 pointing right back at them. i highly doubt they would know what to do i dont think their training included fun houses. hey what can ya do there gonna come in anyway i guess,not your fault.
 

bentom187

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10 buck says sillystring = returning gunfire.

this is purlly hypthetical,and for fun. i know there going to shoot everything in sight haha. whatever mayham they cause its on them for ignoring the constution.
 

Lazyman

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I was thinking bait house with a tiger pit trap for a living room floor.

"10 SWAT officers dead in crazy botched raid" has a nice ring to it.
 

Littleleaf

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This is no joking matter,if they get away with this it WILL spread all across the US. I for one don't whant my dogs killed because some cop kicks my door down for nothing but shits and giggles. That is what they can do because of this ruling.......

Time to instal my fire sprinklers, 500gl of lighter fluid pumped into sprinklers.spit,spit spit,clink,WOOOOSH!!!!
 

Maj.PotHead

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oh shit that was a Cop i shot instead of a burgler oh FN well

and actually it's the 6th amendment {protection against unreasonable search and sezier}
 
In regards to shooting everything in sight. A cop once told me that they have a saying in the police force amongst other pigs "Shoot until there is only one side to the story".
 

Campfire

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And Big Control and their violent footmen win another one. Cower in fear, Americans, it won't be too many more years 'til they have their swat-boy thumbs on every one of their civilian victim's heads. EnForcement vs Civilians.
 

Hydrosun

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oh shit that was a Cop i shot instead of a burgler oh FN well

and actually it's the 6th amendment {protection against unreasonable search and sezier}

The 6th does protect citizens against the system by requiring a speedy trial.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

But it is the 4th amendment that this court just shit all over.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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resinryder

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This bit stood out --"blocked them from entering his apartment to investigate a domestic disturbance"
In many states leo has the right, granted to they by the courts, whether you want them to or not, to enter your residence without a warrant to investigate any domestic disturbance call. They are allowed to do this to see if anyone is harmed, held against their will, or dead. Not sure if this law is on the books in Indiana or not.
 

Hydrosun

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This bit stood out --"blocked them from entering his apartment to investigate a domestic disturbance"
In many states leo has the right, granted to they by the courts, whether you want them to or not, to enter your residence without a warrant to investigate any domestic disturbance call. They are allowed to do this to see if anyone is harmed, held against their will, or dead. Not sure if this law is on the books in Indiana or not.

That is the Exigent Circumstances exception to a warrant requirement and exists ANYTIME leo reasonably fears for the safety of a person / potential person.

This FUCK STICK court took it one step further and said EVEN IF they have NO FUCKING CAUSE OR SUSPICION you may not protect yourself in your own home.

It is a CLEAR violation of the US Constitution, not that anyone gives a fucking shit.

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