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Please listen to me! Jedi mind trick them into legalization!!

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guest86120975

First of all guys, I don't have all the answers. I'm not an egotist. I'm more like a deep thinker, a dreamer. Sometimes as I go through each day, I have ideas pop into my head and later I forget what I was thinking. But this is one that has stuck with me.

I don't live in California at present (not yet, anyway). I mention CA because that's where all the attention was last year with Prop 19. I followed very closely, although, I knew it would fail.

Here's the idea I had. Instead of attempting to fully legalize in 2012, simply hold a vote on a proposition that is very simple. "No person shall be jailed for more than 6 months, nor be subject to probation, parole, or state supervision for longer than 12 months for any non-violent marijuana offense with the exception of distribution to minors or cultivating where the grower doesn't have permission (public land, someone else's private land)."

This is about taking them down from the top down, instead of the bottom up. Does that make sense? And that's it! Do that, and prohibition is done for. This would be a sort of Jedi mind trick (for lack of a better term).

Think about it this way...This would get all the votes from last year who voted yes. Then it would also satisfy those who don't want legalization for self centered reasons. And finally, it would pull just enough support from the sway voters who voted no, but who think current laws are too strict!

And guess what? 6 months jail sentence is a misdemeanor. Once this takes effect, there would be no justification for spending all the money that's spent now to round up a bunch of low level offenses.

Trust me on this guys! I've thought about it, and I can't quit thinking about it.

But alas, I know, that probably no one who runs that show over there is going to listen to me...they have their agenda's and egos to feed....but, if in the off chance one of you has a connection, will you send my idea on?
 
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guest86120975

46% support

+2% additional support due to a Presidential election year with the younger voter turnout

+1% additional support from those who were afraid of losing their cash cows

+3% additional from those who were sway voters before
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52% win!

-1% who think that this law will make it easier for children to be eaten alive by marijuana plants

Still 51%!!
 
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greenmatter

choose 1!

A. may the force be with you !

B. put that pipe down !

C. good luck with that, you may be right but getting people to listen to jedi mind tricks is like herding cats (or cats with watermelons).
 
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guest86120975

I would prefer you guys to post alternative proposals or offer an intelligent rebuttal instead of suggesting I'm smoking crack. Although, if you say "crackagraphic" out loud over and over, it does have a certain ring to it.
 

dagnabit

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some folks are just against legalization...

although your use of the term "jedi mind trick" invites a bit of ridicule.
 
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guest86120975

some folks are just against legalization...

although your use of the term "jedi mind trick" invites a bit of ridicule.


Well you're probably right about the term. But, I did say "for lack of a better term". Well, I suppose there could be a better term, I just can't think of what it would be ATM. Maybe the against legalization folks would join the Yes vote, see? Since we're not really legalizing...we just don't think years in prison is right, but legalizing it and making it more available to kids isn't the answer either ;)
 

Anti

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I wonder who is behind this sock and why they were afraid to bring this idea under their real account?

Instead of writing it as "no more than 6 months" why not simply write it as a rescheduling of marijuana-related crime to misdemeanor?
 
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guest86120975

I wonder who is behind this sock and why they were afraid to bring this idea under their real account?

Instead of writing it as "no more than 6 months" why not simply write it as a rescheduling of marijuana-related crime to misdemeanor?


Dude, I'm just someone who has been a lurker here and decided to register recently. There's no reason to suspect nefarious activity, what would be the agenda?

Rescheduling to a misdemeanor for all marijuana offenses was the original thought that I had, actually. Instead of a Jedi mind trick, we could call it the "top down" theory. That's basically what I'm proposing. It could be that your misdemeanor idea has plenty of merit, "no non-violent marijuana offense shall be considered a felony". Only thing is, I think misdemeanors can go up to 12 months time. We would have to leave sales to minors and growing on public lands or private lands without permission, a stiffer felony (especially those who wreck the environment)
 

dagnabit

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I wonder who is behind this sock and why they were afraid to bring this idea under their real account?

have you seen the way some of these people treat pro legalization folks?

some people just don't wanna get flamed to hell and gone on their original names.

you saw how the prohibition supporters acted on the 19 threads.
 
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guest86120975

Yea I know how pro-legalization folks were treated, I was reading. And my opinion is...it shows weakness when they run around scared of not being able to adapt to a legal market. I personally favor full legalization with no regulations at all...but I learned a long time ago that idealism is more like a daydream...you've got to keep perspective and use idealistic realism in practice. This proposal of mine will please those who are against legalization (for whatever reason), and more importantly, actually stands an EXTREMELY high chance of winning...certainly more so than another prop 19.

And finally, most importantly, NO ONE will be in state prison for marijuana...NO ONE. Nobody ever discussed what would happen to people under Prop 19 if the limits were exceeded. What if someone has a garden bigger than 5x5? That's the dirty little secret "they" don't want you to think about.
 

Weezard

Hawaiian Inebriatti
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Slow leaks empty huge tubs.

Slow leaks empty huge tubs.

Yea I know how pro-legalization folks were treated, I was reading. And my opinion is...it shows weakness when they run around scared of not being able to adapt to a legal market. I personally favor full legalization with no regulations at all...but I learned a long time ago that idealism is more like a daydream...you've got to keep perspective and use idealistic realism in practice. This proposal of mine will please those who are against legalization (for whatever reason), and more importantly, actually stands an EXTREMELY high chance of winning...certainly more so than another prop 19. And finally, most importantly, NO ONE will be in state prison for marijuana...NO ONE.

What ho!?
A reasonable, intelligent, idea.:respect:

Well, you've seen what happens to purveyors of common sense up in here, yah?:blackeye:

Brace yerself, laddie!:covereyes:

And thanks for the breath of smart air.
:)

Weeze
 

Rednick

One day you will have to answer to the children of
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Must spread some rep, before giving it to Capt. Krunch again.
:blowbubbles:

P.S. They weren't against 'Legalization' just excessive 'Regulation'.
Anti-Prop 19, doesn't equate to Anti-Legalization.
You may have seen it as a step forward, many others saw it as two steps back.
When you can discern the difference, you can join in a real discussion.
 

dagnabit

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Must spread some rep, before giving it to Capt. Krunch again.
:blowbubbles:

P.S. They weren't against 'Legalization' just excessive 'Regulation'.
Anti-Prop 19, doesn't equate to Anti-Legalization.
You may have seen it as a step forward, many others saw it as two steps back.
When you can discern the difference, you can join in a real discussion.

my fan club in tha house!!!!

there are several who said "i am against legalization in any form"

lmao at "excessive regulation"
it dont get any more excessive than prohibition.

when you can figure that one out.....
 
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guest86120975

Okay bro, here we go. That's what I'm saying. My proposal doesn't offer the excessive regulation Prop 19 did. It just means there are no more non-violent marijuana felonies where minors aren't involved.

Therefore, MORE SUPPORT!
 

dagnabit

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Okay bro, here we go. That's what I'm saying. My proposal doesn't offer the excessive regulation Prop 19 did. It just means there are no more non-violent marijuana felonies where minors aren't involved.

Therefore, MORE SUPPORT!

it's not worth your effort bro..

you can't convince the cash crop clique..
they know everything ;)


Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed
alot of folks have become complacent with the current medical "protections" and are more disposed to suffer the evils of prohibition because they have become sufferable.
 
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guest86120975

it's not worth your effort bro..

you can't convince the cash crop clique..
they know everything ;)



alot of folks have become complacent with the current medical "protections" and are more disposed to suffer the evils of prohibition because they have become sufferable.


Yea. But remember, I said at the beginning of this post, I'm not currently living in CA...or even a med state for that matter. My plans are to move to CA, but you know I've got family matters that are holding back...it could be a few more years, and I have feelings too (so do millions of others in oppressed states). Never mind that, the cash croppers should see that they're getting what they really want under my proposal... I mean WTF, it would be a misdemeanor to grow 5,000 plants for Christ sake, why would a cash cropper not like that?
 

dagnabit

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why would a cash cropper not like that?

hurts the customer base with more players in the game?

who the fuck knows how these people think.
they go on about "regulation" while operating under strict regulation...
 

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