If it doesn't Shatter, it doesn't matter! Tribute to Jolly Rancher Amber Glass Thread

[strictlybongz]

I'm not big on the shatter term either, lets just say stable? I'm not concerned with whats commercially available or marketed, what you described is a physical change of state in your oil over time, which IMO implies that it may have not been completely purged and the microbubbles of potential solvent try to escape giving the oil its opaque appearance and granular consistency. Some people are also under the opinion the flavor degrades more readily in budder as well as increased rate of decarboxylization compared to to stable oil.

 

[medicalgreen]

I'm not big on the shatter term either, lets just say stable? I'm not concerned with whats commercially available or marketed, what you described is a physical change of state in your oil over time, which IMO implies that it may have not been completely purged and the microbubbles of potential solvent try to escape giving the oil its opaque appearance and granular consistency. Some people are also under the opinion the flavor degrades more readily in budder as well as increased rate of decarboxylization compared to to stable oil.

I think you have to make it, in order to understand it better. The physical change in state over time, does not imply it may not have been completely purged, as you stated. You would not believe that if you made this stuff yourself. It's been through several solvent filtrations and purges, and the breakdown is because it is no longer stable, but not because there are solvents in it.

 

[decarboxylator]

"if it leaves an ash, it ain't worth the cash" is the other version of this thread title.

 

[Gray Wolf]

"if it leaves an ash, it ain't worth the cash" is the other version of this thread title.

We vaporize our oil, rather than smoke it. If you don't have vaporization equipment, you can vaporize oil by waving the flame over it while drawing, vis a vis touching the flame to it.

As noted, burning to ash isn't a good thing from an overall health standpont.

 

[decarboxylator]

We vaporize our oil, rather than smoke it. If you don't have vaporization equipment, you can vaporize oil by waving the flame over it while drawing, vis a vis touching the flame to it.

As noted, burning to ash isn't a good thing from an overall health standpont.

dang it gray wolf. I was trying to be funny. LOL, great thread. Gray Wolf, I see you all over giving the concentrate lessons, and I've quoted you several times. Rize up!

 

[decarboxylator]

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[kcjnz]

can you link the full article?

 

[jump117]

From a professional chemist:

Quote:
Butane is a wholly polar solvent and easily takes up all polar compounds including waxes and concrete oils but is very poor for chlorophyll.

It seems to me, a professional chemist makes a mistake, calling butane completely polar.

 

[vapeman24]

It seems to me, a professional chemist makes a mistake, calling butane completely polar.

Yep, butane in non-polar, but not completely. Solubility in Water: 6.1 mg/100 ml (20 °C)

 

[decarboxylator]

can you link the full article?

no. This is from a conversation with a friend, and he very quickly wrote this. Followed by a part explaining the minor polarity of butane, which I must have left out. If you're on fbook, hit me up and I will add you to the extract artists group where this conversation occurred.

 

[Rednick]

activated charcoal missed?

Just don't use the granualized/powdered stuff. I never got a hold of proper encased carbon, so it dissoved all the tiny particles of carbon into the antifreeze, and the coffee filter was not fine enough to seperate, so I ended up with some black trash.
In the patent he uses activated carbon inline after filtration, so it was probably a case of the wrong carbon, or contact time too. As I just added it to the beaker and swirled.

But as GW said. I'm not giving my Tithe to the carbon gods. Separatory Funnel loses maybe (time, quality), but no telling what carbon may grab.

Anyone using the fresh frozen have anythoughts on flash freezing? Looks like they use dry ice to achieve flash freeze for sushi fish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJGCV8z1xOQ

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

First I want to say I am not trying to hijack your thread.
I do have a question for you. How can Glass have a better taste then dry sift that is 99.9% clean? What I mean is that doesn't making the Glass cause loss of any flavor? I have found Glass has much less taste then dry sift, don't you? I understand that you referred to water hash when you said bubble hash, but dry sift can be bubble hash also, when I made up the saying "It if Doesn't Bubble, it ain't worth the trouble" I was referring to dry sift, not water sifted.
Does anyone else think that Glass loses most of the terpenes during the process to make and clean it up?
Has anyone tested buds and Shatter made from the same to see the terpene %'s of both? I am sure most are gone in the Shatter.
You mention that you never liked bubble hash, never? Not even once? What can I say? I can say I have found many bubble hash water sifted that were great, same with dry sift, I have also found Shatter that was very clean and potent, but if I sprinkled some of my dry sift on top of it it is much more tasty and more potent also.
The Shatter is stronger then my dry sift, but not as strong as Shatter + Dry Sift, why? I think it is because the Shatter has much less terpenes.
BTW, I prefer dry sift for the taste, my Dry Sift is plenty strong enough, I find Shatter a bit like ethanol, strong yes, but laking the individuality that terpenes give in Cannabis and bubble hash.
Anyone have an opinion?

-SamS

If it doesn't Shatter, it DOESN'T Matter!

I just had to post this, to counteract the now infamous "It if Doesn't Bubble, it ain't worth the trouble", quote.

Personally, I cannot stand bubble hash, and never have liked it. I even started a joke thread a while back, about how much better oil is than bubble. But this thread is meant to be serious, as a dedication to Amber Glass, Jolly Rancher, Absolute Amber, ala Jump, and the many other forms and appearances of the legendary "Shatter" material.

 

[gunnaknow]

Good questions, Sam. I don't think that it's a question of which is best, it's just a matter of personal preference in the end. Thread titles like "If it doesn't bubble, it ain't worth the trouble" and "If it doesn't shatter, it doesn't matter" are obviously meant as a bit of fun and not to be taken too seriously. Personally, my favourite is actually scissor/finger hash from fresh buds because it has the freshest taste. It's just a shame that the yield is so low. The next best thing for me is BHC, or it's absolute because it's extracted from the fresh plant material. If it's from dry bud/trim then I'm happy with either sift or shatter. Each to their own though.

 

[ThirdEyeVision]

Does anyone else think that Glass loses most of the terpenes during the process to make and clean it up?

Generally yes, but I've found it to be very strain dependent. Some strains retain terpenes incredibly well.

I have also found Shatter that was very clean and potent, but if I sprinkled some of my dry sift on top of it it is much more tasty and more potent also. The Shatter is stronger then my dry sift, but not as strong as Shatter + Dry Sift, why? I think it is because the Shatter has much less terpenes.

This I have found very true. Went over a year vaping nothing but oil, and dry flowers themselves would put me into another stratosphere, cutting thru the oil buzz like nothing, and the drysift would take it to another level even. Definitely things missing in the shatter.

As an asthmatic, however, I find my lungs to appreciate the shatter in a way that cannot be matched by other methods...at least superficially. Of course I only make dry sift with a combo of 3 to 4 screens, very clean but still contaminated. I'm sure my feelings would change if I could try the 99% cleaned stuff...One day hopefully...one day

 

[UnknownProphet]

My SourStrawberryKush Errrl

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[dro510]

I just ordered a 3 gallon Vac-It pro chamber. What kind of Vac do u guys recommend? I was going to go with a 3 cfm, 2 stage that pulls to 25 microns.. Not sure if I should go with a 6 cmf.. Looked around but could not find an answer and did not want to start a new thread..

 

[Kushed_]

Yellow Jacket 93580 Superevac 8 CFM Vacuum Pump, this also comes in 6 cfm, but it is not that much less. It is an expensive pump, but you get what you pay for.

 

[Gray Wolf]

My oldest (3 years) one is a VP630D CPS Proset 6.2 cfm and our latest is a 5 cfm Robinair, both of which work well.

 

[dro510]

My oldest (3 years) one is a VP630D CPS Proset 6.2 cfm and our latest is a 5 cfm Robinair, both of which work well.

Thanks Gray Wolf was hoping u would chip in!

 

[zane78219]

Great Post, Thanks