Best Yield Organic Recipe?

[Lazyman]

Yeah - so what?

Most prevalent does not translate into a broad-spectrum insecticide.

You're lack of experience in ornamental pesticides falls under "everyone and their brother knows" - pretty standard for stoner science.

CC

I NEVER said Floramite was a broad-spectrum pesticide, did I? You know why I didn't say that? Because I KNOW it isn't! You think you found yourself some dumb stoner that doesn't know what he's doing, and you're gonna teach him a lesson, and make an example of me, right?

Wrong. I research the hell out of everything I use, including pesticides, weeks before I start shopping for them. I use them sparingly, below recommended doses and at carefully-selected dates on the calendar. Then I have it lab tested to make sure it's not present in the final product. Maybe you do the same, but I doubt your tremendous ego would allow any silly gas chromatograph or mass spectrometer to prove you wrong.


Whatever, I'm through with you and your ignorance. You hose your plants with anything you want twice a week, have fun. I've got plants to grow.

 

[supermanlives]

when is this train gonna crash

 

[mad librettist]

Then I have it lab tested to make sure it's not present in the final product.

may we see a redacted sample report?

 

[Lazyman]

what's in the trichomes 2 months later?
what about combinations?
what about when it's burned?
are there other agents in the product that can leave a residue and what happens when it burns?

I take it you're unfamiliar with how a gas chromatograph works, but in layman's terms, it heats a sample to a set temperature and measures the gasses that come out of it. In the case of weed, that's heating it to over 450*F in order to measure all of the cannibinols, which also vaporizes anything that is sprayed on the sample. If no pesticide gasses come out of the heated sample, it means that pesticide is not present. They specifically look for Avid and Floramite at Steep Hill.

 

[hup234]

do you think neem or other organic bug killers would show up in g.c.

 

[Bullfrog44]

Lazyman, do me a favor and test some BHO. I will send money for the test. Or better yet, how do I get in touch with these people?

 

[mad librettist]

I take it you're unfamiliar with how a gas chromatograph works, but in layman's terms, it heats a sample to a set temperature and measures the gasses that come out of it. In the case of weed, that's heating it to over 450*F in order to measure all of the cannibinols, which also vaporizes anything that is sprayed on the sample. If no pesticide gasses come out of the heated sample, it means that pesticide is not present. They specifically look for Avid and Floramite at Steep Hill.

Discerning consumer to Lazyman: I am not convinced.

 

[Lazyman]

Discerning consumer to Lazyman: I am not convinced.

If you don't believe the lab then what on earth would it take to convince you? Here is their page on pesticides:

http://steephilllab.com/services/pesticide-screen/

I have some pdf's of the reports, let me see if I can redact some info off them and I will post it here. I don't have a scanner so I can't print em and do it manually...

 

[Lazyman]

do you think neem or other organic bug killers would show up in g.c.

I don't think so, it says:

The residual pesticide screen used at Steep Hill Lab detects the presence of pesticides that are most commonly used in cannabis cultivation; Organophosphates, Carbamates, Pyrethroids, and Avermectins.

Neem comprises mainly triglycerides and large amounts of triterpenoid compounds, which are responsible for the bitter taste. It is hydrophobic in nature and in order to emulsify it in water for application purposes, it must be formulated with appropriate surfactants.
Neem oil also contains steroids (campesterol, beta-sitosterol, stigmasterol) and many triterpenoids of which azadirachtin is the most well known and studied. The azadirachtin content of neem oil varies from 300ppm to over 2500ppm depending on the extraction technology and quality of the neem seeds crushed.

 

[GanjaSnake]

Wasn't this thread about the best yield in an organic recipe? Why did it get hijacked by some hydro guy?

 

[GanjaSnake]

I find the whole hydro/soil argument to be stupid! I grow in soil, organically. Not for any other reason then I know what I'm doing.

I have a tiny setup 3' x 2' and run only 2 plants at a time each about 40 days apart give or take under a 600W HPS. I harvest 1 plant at a time.

I have watched my friend struggle in his 10' x 10' room running ebb-n-flow tables. He constantly battles bugs, temperature problems, and deficiencies. Overall, I have grown more than him over the 3yr period I've known him. He runs 12 plants per table with a 1kw HPS above each table. I have no doubt that if he was dialed in he would out produce me hands down, but that's not even the point here.

I have a life, and as such I don't want to spend all my time in the garden. My system simply works and I only have to visit a couple times a week. The bud I've grown is up there with the best by all accounts and I find no need to change a thing!

As for a soil recipe...

1 pt EWC
1 pt compost
2 pts perlite
3 pts Pro-Mix or Sunshine #4

Add in amendments and let it sit a bit... works like a champ.

 

[guest2012y]

when is this train gonna crash

Woot woot!

 

[soil margin]

Wasn't this thread about the best yield in an organic recipe? Why did it get hijacked by some hydro guy?

Because every time someone asks about getting good yield from soil, some hydro fanatic insists on chirping in and telling everyone they could be getting more yield from dro.

Listen chem guys, we know we could get more yield by filling our crops with pesticides and chemical ferts, but we actually care about our medicine and the people who will be using it. I don't want to give a cancer patient some bud filled with shit that I wouldn't want to touch with my bare hands. I don't want to smoke shit that has been sprayed with man-made chemicals designed to kill living organisms.

Getting lots of bud from a grow and getting lots of high quality organic bud without chemicals are two entirely different things and should not be discussed in the same context imho.

 

[B. Friendly]

sure your soil is one thing in a puzzle of webs.
but I'll put it this way, the reason organic growing is superior to synthetics is simple:
do you really expect that by giving vitamins to a child they will grow as well as from solid food,
put another way if you think that giving a booster in flower at week 5 or later to Pound out your yeild you're delusional. a healthy soil with everything in it will give a Super Sized Yeild... the plants yeild is determined from day one, and synthetics do not carry any of the trace elements that make the difference...

Here's a good mix forum http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=169364

my advice grow a couple using promix and any brand you like
then do a few organic grows letting your soil get better and better
personally switched to organics and my yeilds are the same, but the taste, high, smell, colours... are all enhanced


my girls can go longer, do not begin to die as early, shoot faster in veg and weigh more at harvest because I use organic soil...

 

[supermanlives]

i grow organic for 2 reasons. 1, i recycle all my soil roots included so i throw away nothing . second is i like the final product taste better. i have had tasty hydro tho but in side by side tests in my garden organic wins .

 

[supermanlives]

can we please get this thread back on track . why not start a new thread where you can insult each other as much as you like

 

[guest2012y]

If you get a good high yielding cut from any of the big producers and have your shit dialed in 100%...it is very possible to get 2lbs per 1k in organic soil. I've done it.

I recently donated some herb to a couple dispensaries and was curious how it compared to what they had to offer. No comparison,my herb blew the doors off all they had from both shops....and it wasn't even my best cut. Everywhere I go I hear the same thing,"this stuff is way better than what I've been getting"....I hear it so much I'm like "yeah,I know..it's organic"
I keep the best for family and that just stomps the hell out of anything....Like the Mens Warehouse commercial..."I guarantee it"

 

[Weird]

I've done side by side grows as well (documented on the 8KW grow in my sig) and found that once cured, the end products were identical, there was just less of the organic hydro side to smoke.

A lot of it comes down to experience. I've been a commercial grower for 9 years now, and have harvested many grows and countless plants, using every system and nutrient type you can imagine. My herb is smooth, burns to clean white ash, and is very smelly and flavorful. Even my organic buddies can't find a thing to complain about with it.

you got just over a pound per light in a vertical grow and you are using that grow to gauge your smoke

try a new baseline and stop lowering the bar for everyone else based on your experience

 

[vonforne]

it is beyond me how some of you can get a thread like this closed.