Stadium......

[Nitelife]

Yo Laylow,i been looking into nutes and such for my 1st ebb&grow and from what i been reading is the K.I.S.S. method using maxibloom for the only nute.(keep it simple stoner)
I know you useing coco if i remember right,but what do you think?Or what have you heard about this if anything.?I figure you might know a little about alot when it comes to growing styles be it soil or hydro.
I would like to have a decent grow 1st time around.Don't have to be the greatest just good to decent and i'll be happy lol.But being a noob justa tryin to get a good grasp b4 i begin.
Thanx man and again GOOD LUCK on the POTM Poll.

 

[laylow]

Well I won't say it was an easy decision. Some of those shots are incredible! Some of em made my mouth water.

But I think it would be really cool for a stadium grow like your to win. Then considering that it's a picture of the first run with a new setup? It's a no-brainer. You're in the lead with 42 votes.

Good luck Laylow

thanks ST

Gotta say Heath and I called bullshit on AN`s marketing program from the get many yrs ago......We also triedta tell folks nutes are nutes regardless , but crazy ass claims of crazy ass yields started comin in , no doubt from Big Mike`s lackey`s he paid to advertise , and sales rocketed from mostly the Canadian consumers that had easy access and evidently deep pockets.......

GH 3 part rocked my world for over 15 yrs with very lil additives , and I assure everyone there IS no magic ta plant science ......juice is juice.....all bout da NPK.....

Bloom boosters work with some strains and burn up others , so it`s all strain dependent and dialing in said strain`s needs and requirements for the end result.....

LL....5 Grand fer juice ?......LMFAO......

Peace....Freds..........

will have the price for the SP tomorrow will let you know i dont think they will be as cheap as you can get them but im sure they wont be to much as long as they are cheaper than the 10L Airpots ile be happy to pay it

AN shit does work but its not worth the money as you said nutes is nutes its just the formula... ive used loads of new shit in this grow and nothin has jumped out thats made me think wow.... until tonight does it to me every time Shooting powder.... buds have started to foxtail over night honestly i can see the buds are bigger in 24 hours the shit amazes me every time its unreal...... bear in mind i have used new products such as Get power to bloom, Carbo load, dtchpro explode... shit looked them same as usual suppose the proof will be in the puddin.... but yeah 5K for nutes what a joke lol

Yo Laylow,i been looking into nutes and such for my 1st ebb&grow and from what i been reading is the K.I.S.S. method using maxibloom for the only nute.(keep it simple stoner)
I know you useing coco if i remember right,but what do you think?Or what have you heard about this if anything.?I figure you might know a little about alot when it comes to growing styles be it soil or hydro.
I would like to have a decent grow 1st time around.Don't have to be the greatest just good to decent and i'll be happy lol.But being a noob justa tryin to get a good grasp b4 i begin.
Thanx man and again GOOD LUCK on the POTM Poll.

first off thanks very much for the VOTE

so your trying out ebb and grow - ebb and flow - flood and drain right?

im not familiar with the K.I.S.S have had a few people mention it to me even one on this topic somewhere i think.... anyway if i was moving to full hydro i would look at 4 main nutrient distributers... 1) canna as i use a lot of canna products they are easy and fullproof... 2) house and garden, i really like H&G there shooting powder and Dripclean is a must no matter what way or method or feeding regime you are using... 3) advance nutrients, again very good but well over priced... and last up 4) Dutch Pro, im wanting to do a full run with there gear as the "take root" and PK "explode" is what i have just used...

My coco feeding regime has products from all 4 companies and some... if i had to give you a simple feeding regime to follow i would say this

you will need a base nutrient to start with im using canna coco A&B... i used to use it at what the bottle said 40ml per 10L... this is way to much i now use it at 20ml per 10L....

as your in hydro you will need grow and bloom... a small bottle of grow will do say 1L but get 5L of bloom this sould last you a while..

for Veg and first 3 weeks of flower either Dutch Pro "take root" or House and Garden Root Excellerator at full strength...

Canna Cannazyme start to finish every water at full strength...

House and Garden Drip Clean start to finish every water...

Middle to late flower, Either Canna PK13/14 or House and Garden Top Shooter or Dutch pro Explode.... try for Explode if available if not the others will do...

House and Garden Shooting powder last 2 weeks "essential for maximum swellage imo"

so in short

Base nutrient of your choice
Take Root
cannazym
drip clean
explode
shooting powder

they are what i grow with no matter what if i have none of the other add ons thats my base feeding regime hydro or coco... the rest of what i use is all here in this thread... hope you understand everything ive put down anyting else just ask...

i know this may look a lot but if you follow what i have said and you have everyone at ICMAG if you get stuck... you will have a bumper crop straight up.... all other factors being spot on... make sure you get an EC and PH Pen

 

[megayields]

K.I.I.S method of nutes is rock bottom cheap....and has everything your plants need....screw AN......overpriced water IMHO. kISS works great for CoCo.........nice work Laylow...good luck on POTM.

 

[laylow]

K.I.I.S method of nutes is rock bottom cheap....and has everything your plants need....screw AN......overpriced water IMHO. kISS works great for CoCo.........nice work Laylow...good luck on POTM.

do you believe this statement mega? everything??... shocked you would say this... i mean for a start i know you use Drip clean... not sure about your feeding regime other than the Dc is Maxibloom what you use... no knocking it as i have not ever used it but to say its everything a plant needs is a bold statement...

I have used root excelerator for years... before that i was using rhizotonic... i done some side by sides and the rhizotonic didnt compete with H&G excelerator.... im no using Take root which is pretty good shit also im going to do a side by side to make my mind up once and for all..... BUT my point is without root excel my root system would not be as good... less roots.. less uptake... less plant mass less end product... in my opinion....

again some people dont have problems others do... me myself if i dont use dripclean no matter how i shift my feed shedual about, the amount i water or how frequent i allways get a cla/mag or some other lock out def allways every single grow.... Drip Clean...... not no more.. again another product i cant do without....

there are hundreds of PK boosters i have used PK13/14 from my very first grow and have tried grows with no PK and the yield suffered... aside from that House and Garden Shooting powder in the last 2 weeks is unbelievable... i challenge anyone to try this product with 2 identical plants in the last 2 weeks of flower... shits unreal...

Silicon... if i get a plant and bend the the main stem in my fingers to crush and tear the stem silicon will help repair that plant a lot quicker than a plant that had no silicon... i use grotec Silicon at half recommended strength....

Cannazym... for me this is more of a preventive than an essential... i genuinely believe if i didnt use this product there would be a very good chance i could have some sort of root problem... i have to water every day and in this current grow it has been possible but there is always that one day you couldn't get there and when you do get there for a water the plants are a little over dry.... this is when you kill lots of roots without realising... without cannazym to break them roots down you could potentially get root diseases... it also breaks down salts and has some beneficial bacteria.. could you get away with not using it??? Yes... BUT if you get root rot of lockout because you made an error you will be kicking yourself you didnt just pick a bottle of this up...

all the above is my personal choice and for my own reasons i have stated im not saying plants wont grow with just maxibloom but then i have grown good outdoor plants on tomato food... i sure as hell know if i used just tomato food in this stadium i would not be where i am in the POTM on the greatest growing site on the internet lol.......

 

[megayields]

I not only believe it I use it....for me it works fine for base nutes.....do I use drip clean,caal mag, MOAB, Sweet (carbs).....absolutely. I can only comment on what I've tried and what has totally changed my grow......KISS method is the foundation I build on now.

 

[megayields]

Oh yes I also use Cannazyme.....in fact it was YOU who clued me into that zym.

 

[Nitelife]

so your trying out ebb and grow - ebb and flow - flood and drain right?

LMAO! Yes i was useing it on myself last nite when i was asking you the questions,
for me it was ebb=Bud and the flow=Beer Sorry bout that.

TY so much for the input LL very informitive,but when i bought the sysytem the dude at the hydro place also sold me nutes for it.(bad move on my part for not lookin here b4 hand)But i will use what he sold me and give it a try,hope for the best..But i did take notes to your reply and go for that if my resaults are not good with the hydro dude's mixes.
NP on the vote man i felt you did a BANG UP job on you stadium so it was a easy choice .
Best of luck to ya, lookin forward to your harvest,weight and smoke report.
Again Thank you Sir for your time to reply.

 

[huntingbb]

Oh yes I also use Cannazyme.....in fact it was YOU who clued me into that zym.

lol... no offense, but your regimen seems a bit more complicated than simple... For me just 3 ingredients besides ph down (I've only had an occasion to use ph up a cpl times, and prefer to let pure tap water do that work..) Check out REZDOG's Sticky: ==The Recipe==

check the ingredients:

6ml flora micro
9ml flora bloom
Kool-Bloom POWDER


And the kool-bloom is only used once per 15days or so in flowering, aaaannnnd, after the first half of flowering, its only the bloom; vegging nutes are the same, (both at 6/9).

Not sure it COULD get much simpler..

so your trying out ebb and grow - ebb and flow - flood and drain right?

LMAO! Yes i was useing it on myself last nite when i was asking you the questions,
for me it was ebb=Bud and the flow=Beer Sorry bout that.

TY so much for the input LL very informitive,but when i bought the sysytem the dude at the hydro place also sold me nutes for it.(bad move on my part for not lookin here b4 hand)But i will use what he sold me and give it a try,hope for the best..But i did take notes to your reply and go for that if my resaults are not good with the hydro dude's mixes.
NP on the vote man i felt you did a BANG UP job on you stadium so it was a easy choice .
Best of luck to ya, lookin forward to your harvest,weight and smoke report.
Again Thank you Sir for your time to reply.

God, that's an awesome ebb n flow... I wonder if you could feed the girls a lil good beer/ale and what that would do to the harvest taste....

 

[laylow]

I not only believe it I use it....for me it works fine for base nutes.....do I use drip clean,caal mag, MOAB, Sweet (carbs).....absolutely. I can only comment on what I've tried and what has totally changed my grow......KISS method is the foundation I build on now.

LMFAO... honest mega you made me laugh out loud mate...

K.I.I.S method of nutes is rock bottom cheap....and has everything your plants need

and then the next post...

I use drip clean,caal mag, MOAB, Sweet (carbs).....

and cannazym so kiss method as a base nutrient

im only jesting with you dude the last few posts made my night

 

[laylow]

lol... no offense, but your regimen seems a bit more complicated than simple... For me just 3 ingredients besides ph down (I've only had an occasion to use ph up a cpl times, and prefer to let pure tap water do that work..) Check out REZDOG's Sticky: ==The Recipe==

check the ingredients:

6ml flora micro
9ml flora bloom
Kool-Bloom POWDER


And the kool-bloom is only used once per 15days or so in flowering, aaaannnnd, after the first half of flowering, its only the bloom; vegging nutes are the same, (both at 6/9).

Not sure it COULD get much simpler..




God, that's an awesome ebb n flow... I wonder if you could feed the girls a lil good beer/ale and what that would do to the harvest taste....

whatever works for you HBB

 

[laylow]

so your trying out ebb and grow - ebb and flow - flood and drain right?

LMAO! Yes i was useing it on myself last nite when i was asking you the questions,
for me it was ebb=Bud and the flow=Beer Sorry bout that.

TY so much for the input LL very informitive,but when i bought the sysytem the dude at the hydro place also sold me nutes for it.(bad move on my part for not lookin here b4 hand)But i will use what he sold me and give it a try,hope for the best..But i did take notes to your reply and go for that if my resaults are not good with the hydro dude's mixes.
NP on the vote man i felt you did a BANG UP job on you stadium so it was a easy choice .
Best of luck to ya, lookin forward to your harvest,weight and smoke report.
Again Thank you Sir for your time to reply.

your welcome man any time i can help

 

[huntingbb]

whatever works for you HBB

tyvm - it's nice and easy

But then again... with experience comes ingredients... O:

 

[DHF]

There`s no fukin possible way ta grow in coco with base nutes only HBB , regardless of Rez`s formula with kool bloom powder....

I do see you talkin bout usin "tapwater" instead of "RO" , so evidently your calmag and additional potassium supplement that coco requires is comin from your hard water supply along with the other shit in municipal water , but you`ve gotten lucky at best IME............

Guaranteed......Ain`t NUTHIN simple bout growin in coco if you`re runnin multiple strains in 1 room.....

For me , every strain I ran reacted differently to my base nute mix with SM-90 , Silicablast , CalMag , and nothing else......so.....

Back then there was no drip clean and I was wastin juice to runoff at every setup to the tune of 100`s of gals a week just to keep shit in sync and avoid residual salt buildup as well as calmag/potassium issues.....

The only way I could dial my Chem D`s in was to foliar the fuck out of em with epsom salts and calcium nitrate till end of stretch before they acted right come harvey yield wise.....

Coco`s a fickle bitch , and you`re only as good as your last batch yas ran.....I got a pallet of bales that once hydrated and flushed hard before using , ended up slowly killin 1000`s of rooted cuts and prevegged plants till I caught it couple weeks later.....

PPM`s were in the 3000`s outta nowhere......That`s 6 EC at .5 conversion on my bluelab shit , so as yas can see , I was complacent with my meters and it cost me several rotations and buncha "no return on investment".......

Believe this.....Nuthin K.I.S.S. bout coco...Yas can use more expensive pre-hydrated medium like Canna and hedge yer bets , but I hadta use too much medium for that luxury , and amendments and flushing was required for dialed setups......

Maxibloom powder without cal/mag supplements and silica for stem wall strength and added potassium is an accident waitin ta happen with elite/finicky strains in coco IMO , and I`ve not used it....but....

I ran GH 3 part with the few supplements I spoke of at reduced rates and dialed shit after a few runs of each strain from monocropping and that`s the only way I dialed each strains individual feed requirements.....

As LL has said , Dripclean FTW and if he testifies Shootin Powder is the shit fer a bloom booster over all others , I`d take it to the bank.....

Nuff outta my old ass....

Good luck Bro.....Freds.........

 

[laylow]

Had some fucked up shit just now.... Stank the whole mofo street out... went in my room everything is off lights fans and worst of all Extractor and carbon filter...

Had a look at the timer and half an hour it had been like this... shit so lucky i didnt go to sleep or the next thing would have been my door coming off and carting my ass of to jail

Honestly give me the fright of my life thank god its night and not the middle of the day while i was out...

can only put it down to amperage overload... switched it all back on 2 mins later bam all off again... switched off a few fans and an oil filled rad and then one by one the lights back on and safe to say its all stayed on....:

have run a cable and extention lead for just the extractor fan so if shit goes off in the middle of the night at least the fans will keep the air clean and not stink the street out again... lmao to close 10 days to go

 

[DHF]

Amps x Volts = Watts.....Dehuey`s most likely culprit Bro.....They draw amps hard in late flower runnin 24/7....

Don`t fuck up now....Handle it....DHF.......

 

[turbolaser4528]

Gotta say Heath and I called bullshit on AN`s marketing program from the get many yrs ago......We also triedta tell folks nutes are nutes regardless , but crazy ass claims of crazy ass yields started comin in , no doubt from Big Mike`s lackey`s he paid to advertise , and sales rocketed from mostly the Canadian consumers that had easy access and evidently deep pockets.......

GH 3 part rocked my world for over 15 yrs with very lil additives , and I assure everyone there IS no magic ta plant science ......juice is juice.....all bout da NPK.....

Bloom boosters work with some strains and burn up others , so it`s all strain dependent and dialing in said strain`s needs and requirements for the end result.....

LL....5 Grand fer juice ?......LMFAO......

Peace....Freds..........

I like Canna A+B, DripClean, Pk13/14 for basics.

Maybe add an enzyme product or SM-90??

 

[laylow]

well everything run fine over night not sure what the problem was as i panicked and switched lots of things off and removed fans i wasn't using.... have hard wired the extractors now and will leave it this way until this crop is out cant take the risk of that happening again... could potentially be the end of me.. lol :

Yall know what day it is!!!!!!!!!!!.................

with tonights updates pic's im going to show you the affects of Shooting powder with some of the Fox tailing even the army's have 1/2 inch of growth out the top and that was in 48 hours......

see you tonight Gang...

 

[mmmcake]

looking forward to the new pics.

 

[bobblehead]

Amps x Volts = Watts.....Dehuey`s most likely culprit Bro.....They draw amps hard in late flower runnin 24/7....

Don`t fuck up now....Handle it....DHF.......

my dehuey has been blowing fuses and flipping circuits... today, it gets it's own circuit... The rest of my accessories were running fine before the dehuey started kicking...

The grow looks great LL

 

[DHF]

Never been a big fan of additives , but proof`s in da puddin....Glad it worked for yas....

Waitin patiently LL.......

Peace....Freds...........