Dog training

[keat]

But i dont live on that kind of property, i live in a rental apartment in a house with a yard so i cant have my dogs running as i want them.
I got certain places close around here where i walk them and let them do their pooping and such.

The older one belonged to my gf's brother and we have been taking care of him alot because he has been working a bit too much.
And now he is moving abroad leaving kids and all, so we took the dog instead than seeing it end up with some stranger around here.
We got some real WACK swedish rednecks around here, like a third of the population here's on amphetamines and the other third are alcoholics just sitting around town getting drunk.
So its just the one last third of the population who got regular jobs and take it easy.

 

[paladin420]

Sir you are gettin some good adivice and some bad. None of us can see your complete situation. Please find a local trainer. Whatever u spend will be paid back with lifetimes of protection. Don't be your own "aggressor".. Jeeze u teach fido to bite U. This is my professional opine.
Strainhunter nailed it third post.

 

[Stray]

and what's that? train your dog to be a fucking nutjob? jesus leave the fucking dog alone and grow a fucking pair...deal with your own business instead of putting your dog in the line of your fire.

 

[ladydog]

Ive visited my grandparents farm in europe many times over the years and they have had many different guard dogs. On a farm it makes sense, that dog was not a family dog whatsoever. It always lived outside in a large kennel. No one was allowed to pet them except the owner. Usually always male dogs. But I agree with others in that dogs should be your eyes and your ears only in your situation. If something ever happened your dog would probably protect you, why mess with a good natured dog, just to protect you in case something happens. If that was the case i would just buy a gun.

 

[FreedomFightr]

Honestly I feel one of the best tricks you can teach your dog is not to eat any food that is not given to her unless given by you. I feel dog's are very intelligent and they know when to be protective and when to be more laxed. They can pick up on fear from other people and will sense when things are not right. But if you want her mean all the time you must not let her socialize with anyone who comes over. But I would never raise any of my dog's this way. It's almost a disservice to your pup, cause when she bites someone you will be sued and they will make you put her down.

 

[Rednick]

And shes 6 months old, but the thing is, shes too damn happy and nice.

Puppy.
Give her 6-12 more months and PM me.
She can be trained.

Even Akitas are puppies at one point in their lives.

Right now all you will be concerned with is Obedience.
A good book to read:
http://www.amazon.com/Art-Raising-Puppy-Monks-Skete/dp/0316578398
'The Art of Raising a Puppy'. Monks of New Skete.

Deepening your bond is more important than anything right now.

 

[FreedomFightr]

I have raised many different dogs, I have had German shepherds, Dobermans, and Amstaff's. Honestly Dodermans temperament is already of a non trusting towards humans. Love her, treat her good and she will protect you to the death naturally.

 

[Rednick]

We'll the i guess she's coming out great becaus she likes barking, she likes to sit in the window barking at people out in the street.
And i must say shes not scared of many things. She's quite tough, but a bit too nice.


Maybe the dog will turn out as a dog anyway hehe

Yeah, that is the badass of the GSD.

Now, you don't want her to NOT bark.
But, you do want here to develop discretion when barking (i.e. no false alarms).

Sometimes you can say "NO", or "NO (speak, talk, barking, ect...whatever your command is). But be discretionary.

The biggest mistake people make is yelling at their dog, EVERYTIME it barks at NIGHT. Guess what? The dog stops barking at ANYTHING at NIGHT.
Sometimes you have to drag your lazy ass out of bed, and look at it too...Signals the dog picks up, too.

'Classical Conditioning' works great for dogs.
Ivan Pavlov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Pavlov


P.S. And if you really have a lot of time and money on your hands? Look into 'Schutzhund' training, big in Germany.

 

[Rednick]

I just got off the phone with M. Vick and he said that the best method is a 3 part system that works every time without fail.

1. Keep them on an irregular diet. Not feeding them consistently and wondering when their next meal will be will make them irritable. Be sure to put a pinch of gunpowder in their meals when you do feed them.
2. Beat them. Not being a predictable owner will put them on guard. If you beat them one minute and are nice to them the next, they will never know WHO to trust. (Which means they trust noone)
3. Keep them in isolation for 23 hours a day. This is a common tactic used in prisons and makes one very antisocial. It will definitely help with the meanness.

I KEED I KEED!!

Please dont take any of Vicks advice, we all see where it got him

Good luck with your new best friend. I hope she works out well for all of you and your fam.

+1

 

[Rednick]

deal with your own business instead of putting your dog in the line of your fire.

Fuck You!!!
Some dogs roll in Gucci bags, other DIE for you!
I prefer the latter. R.I.P Dakota.


P.S. Nothing scares a meth-heat more than a big dog barking, spitting at them. Fucking, they been up for three days, things looks like Cerberus to them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus

P.S.S. When 'Testing' your dog. Don't do it yourself. Her biting you is her being a puppy, but an adult I would've kicked it's ass. You are trying to train ALL its senses. Smell being the MOST important one a dog has.
You need 'Strangers' when testing. People get creative in The States with the 'Stranger' (e.g. new cable installed, solicitors, calling the cops on themselves, ordering shit via FedEx/UPS [drop in backyard], Leaving a Big Screen TV box out front for the crackheads to see, ect...)

 

[Rednick]

Honestly I feel one of the best tricks you can teach your dog is not to eat any food that is not given to her unless given by you.

That is good advice, if you can keep up that regiment. It is hard, to fight the nature of the dog's hunger, but it can be done.
In Colombia, when people rob the upper-class homes, they buy the most juicyiest, expensive sausage they can find at the butcher. Then they pack it full of rat poison and throw it over the wall.
Death to those that aren't trained that way.
Luckily, not so common in The States, more of Eyes and Ears if anything, still got a Second Amendment right in this country.
Thanks King George!

 

[Tuggo]

K.I.S.S. encourage what you like, discourage what you don't. +1@ stray and rednick imho. If you want a dog that guards and protects more than naturally seek a prof trainer. Usually, to my knowledge, prof trainers wait until the dog is mature or about 2 yrs of age before really teaching protection. Different drills, Tuggo-war, rebite and such can be taught from day one but to the dog these are just games for fun that also aid in bonding. Which as previously stated should be one of your main goals along with basic obedience and socialization with a dog that young.

 

[keat]

Yes tuggo ur right. I read that the training isnt supposed to start until the dog is 18 months old. So at the moment its just love and obidience!

And some training for the rottweiler, but hes just a big cuddly bear! Thats the way i shall keep him until its necessery for something else.

 

[Harry Gypsna]

N.I.L.I.F. Nothing In Life Is Free.
This is what i use with my dog.. he has to earn every scrap of food he gets. It could be as simple as make him sit, then stand then sit, then lie down, or some little mini excercise prior to feeding times--he doesnt get fed until he performs. Much of his daily allowance is just given throughout the day as rewards and reinforcment of wanted behaviours.
Dont let anyone tell you a clicker can do everything---awsome tool for teaching tricks and shaping behaviours--but stiopping a dog fromeating a disgusting 3 day decomposing piece of meaty bone off the floor(some idiot takes knuckle bones on the field for his dogs and leaves em there -a pain in my ass.) or stopping the dog from knacking another dog--a clicker cant do it.
Be the boss, you cant give in, ever. Only play games you know you can win. Dont let the dog off lead unit;l you know he will com back. get a 50 foot line for some recal training. I use a gundog whistle for recall as the tone stays constant no matter how frustrated Im feeling. Its funny..my voice cant get him to come back from running to other dogs unless he isnt that interested-but the whistle spins him right round.
I use a squirty water bottle occasionally as a neg reinforcment-say if he has one of those bones of the field and wont leave it-I squirt him... Im having to squirt less and less often--dont squirt on the face though, Its really to just to snap him out of his fixation and get his focus back on you-if he goes into tunnel vision mode or stats playing "Hunt, Point, EVADE(like marley-the labrador evader)
Consistency is everything--if you dont want the dog on the furniture-then never let him up--your family all have to be in the same page and use the same commands. If he is getting on the sofa and you say off, and your wife says down-but youve taught him that down means lie down-he thinks WTF. Dont try to over work a young learning dog-- several short training sessions are more effective than a long frustrating one, and if you keep trying to work the dog when hes tired or sick of it, you will have problems in your next session with the dog not wanting to work.
Excercise is vital--no dog is going to be able to behave his best if hes full of excess energy. My Weimaraner(new 9 month old- dog my old guy died in 09RIP) needs AT LEAST 3 hours of free running alongside all the pavement pounding we do. If I only go out with him for an hour hes just getting warmed up, and if i slack off for a couple of days and he gets less that that 3 hours running/chasing balls for a couple of days in a row then I pay for it with his behaviour.
Relax when you see other dogs--most people make dog agression happen by tensing up, pulling the dog in close and wrapping the lead round their had a dozen times LOL. If you are cool-the dog will be--my guy sp far doesnt initiate any aggro with dogs-but if they start then its on which is fair enough.

 

[keat]

Great advice there harry!
Both me and the dogs are learning more and more for each day.

 

[Rednick]

Great advice there harry!
Both me and the dogs are learning more and more for each day.

See, you'll do fine, b/c you are learning that the dog 'teaches' you too.

 

[Stray]

Fuck You!!!
Some dogs roll in Gucci bags, other DIE for you!
I prefer the latter. R.I.P Dakota.


P.S. Nothing scares a meth-heat more than a big dog barking, spitting at them. Fucking, they been up for three days, things looks like Cerberus to them.

fair do's homie.....don't have to deal with meth-heads...yet lol
my experience is with gun-dogs not quite handbag pooches but our requirements are clearly different from our canine friends...peace

 

[Rednick]

fair do's homie.....don't have to deal with meth-heads...yet lol

Well when you do, shoot me a PM. Once they are up for a few days-week that dog spitting slober at them and showing his pincers, at least makes them think twice before trying to rob you.
But they are addicted and sometimes there has to be a bite behind the bark!

P.S. And I got some hounds I was thinking of working on for tracking/hunting. If you got some pointers I am all ears.

 

[Rednick]

And I forgot.
Enjoy the time you have with the puppies.
You'll look back upon it fondly, even with all the troubles they cause.

 

[keat]

My best advice is to get as many books as possible, for tracking and hunting i recon you must train for obedience and go fetch. The tracking part is a bit tougher, i have read a whole lot about it even tho im not interested in it, but its alot of training. atleast about 100-200 lessons.

Try to see if you can get your hands on some books from the military on the subject, i got 2 from the swedish military and they are great. Lots of good information.

And i recon police k9 books is just as good.