Clone issues?

[TripleDraw27]

Hey guys.

3rd grow, 1st time trying to clone.

I am using this Botaincare 25 unit cloner. I am not a good DIY'r. So I opted for this.

The enviroment. Brand spanking new tent 2'7x2'7x5'11. This tent will eventually be my veggie room. Anyhow its real clean, the only thing that has come into contact with the room is my Cloner and clones of course. lol

Heres my hang up.

I followed Botaincares directions with the Aqua sheild and Power clone. Added a little less then what they recommended to the res.

Everyday I have been misting these clones with regular water. Arrowhead to be exact < Prob not the best idea?
Temps in that room are 78-80 degree's with a 50% humidity
Here is whats going down.

I am getting a fucking white powder on some of these leaves. In past, dealing with PM, doesnt seem to have the same consistency. But what do I know? Which is why I am here in the Infirmary.

ATM i am in a denial lol, I wanna think its maybe the solutions i put in the water, or the Arrowhead and its splashing and then drying on the leaves? I just dont see how this could be PM, when the Mother is my most vigorous, healthy looking lady. Also in a very clean brand new tent.

This white stuff, washes off with mist and comes back which scares meh! It looks like a salt build up that I get on my wetsuits when I dont wash them out lol.

Ok Dr. Cannabis please help. Here is a couple of shots.


this last photo has really bad lighting. The leaves have this spotted look which is not there in person.

 

[TripleDraw27]

Hmm looking at these, its hard to pick up. Going to take a couple more, brb.

 

[TripleDraw27]

This photo is much better.

 

[compost]

I thought you didn't need to mist the leaves daily when using that cloning method? Also if you are gonna be misting on a daily basis don't just use straight tap water. Mix in some neem oil into the rotation and help keep bugs and PM at bay.

 

[lokes]

Your clones look great. May be seeing some spider mite damage but that's jumpin the gun. Usually mites have brown spots from Chlorophyll loss.
Let em go another node or two and hit em with neem.
they are green and happy, can't complain about that.

 

[TripleDraw27]

Thanks dudes for getting back to me.

I feel so noob, do I have to mist the tops everyday? Shoots, didnt even think about that. I have been doing this 3 times a day. Morn, noon, eve lol.
And, okay will do the neem as well.

Lokes- the burnt brown? That appeared I suppose with my constant misting the leaves. Im thinking I may have been trying to give more love than needed? lol

And the mite thing. Since last grow, been fighting stupid little flyers. This is the only bad guy I have dealt with.

I am curious to what photo you see this? The 3rd in my first post? Those spots are actually the white shit, just my IBigBrotherphone camera and bad lighting.

But what about the whitey on my girls? Is this something that occurs with any form of hydro stuff? Build ups?

All their mothers, 3 to be exact. I have treated with neem sprays and bayer advance ( once) since babies.

Thanks you two again for getting back to me

chachie.

 

[Stress_test]

You hit the nail on the head Buddy. +REP

I thought you didn't need to mist the leaves daily when using that cloning method? Also if you are gonna be misting on a daily basis don't just use straight tap water. Mix in some neem oil into the rotation and help keep bugs and PM at bay.

Yeah man sometimes I use a 120 site Aerocloner that I built if I need a lot of clones for a dispensery, and I never mist after going into the cloner.
I take my cuts.
Soak stems in "Lilly Miller" vit B1 plant starter while cutting (1 Tbs/gal water).
Dip tops in neem oil (1 Tbs/gal water).
Place in cloner until rooted. Usually around 15-20 days.

Later on after they've rooted I begin a molasses and aspirin foliar mist regime.

Personally though unless I have over 25 clones to root, I use a DYI wick cloner.

I find it is faster, cheaper and quieter to operate and so far it's 100%... knock-on-wood. And any idiot can do it even if stoned with the same results if they follow the simple 1-2-3 directions. I wish I knew who to give the credit too because it is a truly ingenious idea, but was posted by an unregistered guest.
I have cut clones for years, thousands, maybe even 10's of thousands. I've tried and/or used just about every cloning method, technique, apparatus and contraption ever conceived of, and I've never found an easier more reliable method. Or a less expensive one. Check out the $4 Walmart cloner.

 

[sudsandbuds]

howcome no one has asked how long its been since you cut em? in those cloning systems you use it usually takes at the VERY least ten days. one thing i do is split the stem of the clone. i think it may help with the roots developing faster. but that could be wrong!

Good luck!

 

[TripleDraw27]

howcome no one has asked how long its been since you cut em? in those cloning systems you use it usually takes at the VERY least ten days. one thing i do is split the stem of the clone. i think it may help with the roots developing faster. but that could be wrong!

Good luck!

4 days since I cut Suds. I forgot to mention that.

Do you guys think I should just hit the reset button? And do the following. Cut, split stem, neem, then insert into cloner, and not mist.
Or just ride this out.

And ty Stress test for feedback. That cloner, I got 50% off. Buddies shop closed down. It was an easy choice for me. Plus I am not sold on this method as I said my first go at it. I just need to find a Vampire, so I can clone for thousands of years too

 

[Stress_test]

LOL...
Ride it out friend. 4 days and you're sweating it?
Haha don't get me wrong but relax, smoke a bowl and admire em all day. But try and do it from afar for awhile.
Too much love and excitement is almost always detrimental to em.

howcome no one has asked how long its been since you cut em? in those cloning systems you use it usually takes at the VERY least ten days. one thing i do is split the stem of the clone. i think it may help with the roots developing faster. but that could be wrong!

Good luck!

Because it doesn't matter.

Regardless of age; it is unnecessary to mist clones with the Botaincare 25.

 

[TripleDraw27]

LOL...
Ride it out friend. 4 days and you're sweating it?
Haha don't get me wrong but relax, smoke a bowl and admire em all day. But try and do it from afar for awhile.
Too much love and excitement is almost always detrimental to em.
.

Im sweating that white stuff , in the 3rd plant photo! lol

Ok smoking some now.

 

[Rowdy420]

I find the power clone juice to be very powerful stuff, its suggested to only run it for the first three days then switch to a low strength nutrient program.

Hers is my current clone juice, I have the same 25 site from botanicare. I have also found that the pump that botanicare puts in these cloners is super weak! A upgrade to a larger pump helps a lot, I bought a Eco 1056 for mine http://www.google.com/products/cata...cfMCYT20gGo1f2VCQ&ved=0CBsQ8wIwAQ#ps-sellers2 gallon H2o

Aquashield- 5 ml/ gal.
liquid karma-5 ml/gal
silica blast-2.5 ml/gal.
Powert clone-2.5 ml/gal
botanicare flower 1 -2.5 ml/gal
superthrive- 1 ml/gal

I run mine on a repeat cycle timer for 30 seconds on, 3 minute off. I think the dry time helps harden off the new cut.

You could also run 35% hydrogen peroxide at a rate of 2.5-5 ml/gal. with no nutes and get the same or similar results. This type of technique will kill all biologicals so there is no reason to add any nutrients. Lots of ways to skin a cat, so to say.

Good luck, peace

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

You don't need to mist cuttings in an aerocloner system, the cut stems of the plants have access to all the water they need. The white stuff on your leaves looks like it's salts left over from evaporation of water. One clue to this is that it is most pronounced in the depressions on the leaf surfaces where water could have accumulated. This could be from your misting them or from spray from the cloner itself which got out onto plants. As long as the stems of your cuttings are green and not soft or slimy you should be doing fine. The temps within your cloner should be in the mid seventies Fahrenheit.

 

[Herbsman_OS]

Also, if you had PM, it would look like you had talcum powder sprinkled on various leaves. Your leaves don't have that "Sprinkled" powder look.

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

I agree with Crusader Rabbit, clones don't need to be misted. Besides, it increases the chances of spreading stuff. When clones are first cut, the cut end has to absorb enough water to keep the top turgid. The top is transpiring water out through the leaves. Different things affect the transpiration rate together to make a complex system. The leaf area is one. By cutting back leaves on top, we can reduce the load on the cut end enough that no misting, or even a humidity dome, is needed. Another thing that forces transpiration is light. If the baby cuts are too close to the light, they'll try to grow, which will be evident by the yellowish color of new leaves trying to grow without roots to feed them. By balancing the remaining leaf area and distance from light, cuts can be rooted very fast without misting or humidity dome.

 

[TripleDraw27]

You guys are awesome. Hope all you guys have a good weekend !
I have taken note to all suggestions and will use each one next go.

Chachie.

 

[lokes]

Yeah Triple, you're doing fine. They look better than most. What cha cloning anyway? Somethin tasty I hope.

 

[Stress_test]

I would caution about using "ALL" of the provided methods/recipes together. You might end up with some peculiar or inconsistent results.

I have always tried to keep everything as simple as I possibly can. My experience has taught me that 90% of the bullshit and additives are completely unnecessary and usually serve only to compound and confuse problems.

The "KISS" concept really does apply in every aspect of growing. The fewer steps and additives a person must go through, monitor, and maintain; the more reliable and consistent your setup will be.

Adding all that crap that manufacturers and marketers recommend is completely unnecessary. The first aero-cloner I ever used was a 5 gal DYI bucket that I put together (similar to the one in the pic below). I used it with 100% success for a couple years and produced hundreds of clones with it: Using nothing but tap water.

Early last month I got 4 clones from a dispensary which had dates on the cups of 1/30/2011.
When I got home I realized that I had several clones of my own from the batch in the bubble cloner I posted previously. Well I'm not bragging but the clones I bought really looked pathetic. If they hadn't been the genetics I was after, I wouldn't have paid a buck a piece for em, let alone the $15 each I did pay.

I called the dispensary owner and we got to talking about his system and technique. He was using the Botanicare 165 and all the crap they recommend.
Now he uses his Botanicare cloner but without all the BS and his clones look 1000 times better and healthier.

It's so damn simple that some people just refuse to believe the differences between plain old stoned stupid simple and all the high tech crap the manufacturers will shove down your throat if you let em...
The clones in the pic were cut 2 days apart. The one on the left (mine) is the youngest.

Keep It Simple Stoners...
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[TripleDraw27]

Hey guys,

Yea im not going to use everything suggested. But I did note everything you guys mentioned.

I will definately be doing the KISS. Although they are real snuggly and I cant help loving them lol. But my lesson has been learned. Well this lesson at least

I had done alot of reading, and always mentioned was some rooting booster. I have Clonex. Thats something I did not use cause I opened my Botaincare and saw these two bottles of solution. I didnt want to go overboard.

My gut told me to just stay Kiss like. But I got sucked into using these solutions. Only once mind you.

I keep telling myself to not go in there and look at the stems. Looking everyday is killing me lol. What I do notice on the stems where I cut is, little brown. Not alarming, but new to me for sure.

@Lokes , I have 6 Durban Poisons and two OG lemon kush and 1 Oh Gee wheres my Kush?.
The Durbans in my big veg room have huge dark green leaves. Nothing like Ive ever grown before. Very nice to stare at.

 

[lokes]

Wow, Durban indoors huh? Better flip early on those beasts.