lost ALL the flavor/odor, why?

[moresntoil]

Hey, my buddy just finished up some ultimate(dp) that he ran dry for the last 1-2 weeks, other than that he did them the same as he did the first couple, which came out with a pine flavor that everyone loved.
These last and final 4 for some reason did not smell nearly as strong, and even worse ALL the pine flave has been lost, or any flavor for that matter.

I know not too many people say much good about that strain..........and i havent said much about how they where grown but would rather not get into details.....
So with that said, in general.....

* ...what causes flavor loss? or odor?

thanks for any info!

 

[MMJcali]

improper curing seems to be the most encountered cause for flavor/odor/potency loss.

what method was used during cure?

 

[THC123]

bad after harvest treatment


growing a plant is one thing , harvesting and storing/curing is something entirely different

The best wat to retain the flavor is to dry the buds on the stems with all the small leaves on and then removing them before you smoke or before storing


or you could try simon's method

 

[moresntoil]

they were handled and dried the same way all his buds are dried, cut n hung for 7 days with 55-60%hum, 65degf, fan blowing at 11wks. trichs 60% clear..

they r not cured yet, but have NO flavor, have always had flavor even before cure.

 

[teh_piper]

So they have just been dried for 7 days?

That is quite curious, indeed, no taste or smell to be had. Never had that happen. Usually my buds are stinkin' hard from week 4 of flower til the day they are incinerated.

What might help is a pic or two of the dried bud shots and the plant throughout flowering. Atleast so we have an idea the quality and health of the product we are talking about

The only other reasons that come to mind other than what has been mentioned is an unhealthy plant, immature buds(picked way to soon) or a weak strain

 

[pip313]

My former caregiver has NYCD that went from the strongest to the weakest smeller in town, no exaggeration it was the best in town now its garbage. I would also like to know what caused this "genetic drift" as I have been calling it so I can advoid whatever enviromental factors that caused him the trouble if it was enviroment.

It was a real bummer though imagine having somthing as good as kksc turn into frosty ditch weed.

P.S. there were a lot of harvests before it turned to crap and a lot of harvests after. And you can frustration in his face when he tells you He can't figure out what happened that he hasn't changed his grow style in 10 years and uses the same nutrients but no longer has the envy of the area.

 

[jd4083]

Improper drying is almost always the culprit. Curing to a lesser extent, but many (most?) modern hybrids bred for bag appeal are arguably just about as stinky as they're going to get after a proper dry before they even see a jar...they simply get better with age.

Could be that you dried too fast or it could simply be the genetics...some strains never really get the funk even after a proper dry and long cure...

 

[Budley Doright]

My former caregiver has NYCD that went from the strongest to the weakest smeller in town, no exaggeration it was the best in town now its garbage. I would also like to know what caused this "genetic drift" as I have been calling it so I can advoid whatever enviromental factors that caused him the trouble if it was enviroment.

It was a real bummer though imagine having somthing as good as kksc turn into frosty ditch weed.

P.S. there were a lot of harvests before it turned to crap and a lot of harvests after. And you can frustration in his face when he tells you He can't figure out what happened that he hasn't changed his grow style in 10 years and uses the same nutrients but no longer has the envy of the area.

I had a sour diesel cutting like that....

it was so stinky you could smell it across the room....


then after several generations it went to hell.....


At one time I would have agreed with you about genetic drift but today Im more of the opinion that its a virus related situation....

jmo....

 

[lokes]

It's not genetic drift, that much I know. A proper flush and cure will do wonders.

 

[Yes_I_Am]

yeah maybe he didnt flush this one as well as the last

 

[303hydro]

I have never had a stinky plant lose ALL ITS FLAVOR from a bad cure. Sounds to me like the plant was not fed enough and/or picked early. Without more information all your gonna get is some " shot in the dark" answers. Tell your friend to use some guano in his next run, it will bring back the pungent stank.

 

[moresntoil]

well i think we figured it out. being the paranoid person my friend is he desided to add his "own" activated carbon filters around the exsisting carbon filter, im talking 18lbs of activated carbon, first run was very stinky without any filter, so he was worried the one filter he bought would not get all the stink out of the exhaust (very close neighbors). sooo... he added 18lbs of homemade activated carbon "around" the "real" filter.

plants where flushed fine
plenty of nuits
they where not to early
could not have been a genetic drift, they were not clones but all from 10 fem seeds
plants where very healthy, each of the 5 pulled 6-7 zippers, quite frosty(nice)
very well may be a weak strain

*......so could all this activated carbon have "sucked" the flavor right out of these lovely ladies??
thank you for all the input

 

[moresntoil]

Hey, my buddy just finished up some ultimate(dp) that he ran dry for the last 1-2 weeks, other than that he did them the same as he did the first couple, which came out with a pine flavor that everyone loved.
These last and final 4 for some reason did not smell nearly as strong, and even worse ALL the pine flave has been lost, or any flavor for that matter.

I know not too many people say much good about that strain..........and i havent said much about how they where grown but would rather not get into details.....
So with that said, in general.....

* ...what causes flavor loss? or odor?

thanks for any info!

5 not 4 oopps

 

[Budley Doright]

well i think we figured it out. being the paranoid person my friend is he desided to add his "own" activated carbon filters around the exsisting carbon filter, im talking 18lbs of activated carbon, first run was very stinky without any filter, so he was worried the one filter he bought would not get all the stink out of the exhaust (very close neighbors). sooo... he added 18lbs of homemade activated carbon "around" the "real" filter.

plants where flushed fine
plenty of nuits
they where not to early
could not have been a genetic drift, they were not clones but all from 10 fem seeds
plants where very healthy, each of the 5 pulled 6-7 zippers, quite frosty(nice)
very well may be a weak strain

*......so could all this activated carbon have "sucked" the flavor right out of these lovely ladies??
thank you for all the input

Nope..... I guess we had the wrong idea....


feminized seeds will probably be more similar genetically than a normal seed but they are in fact individuals....


You should have taken cuttings from those first plants....


I guess you will have to buy those seeds again and hope at least one has your fab flavor.....


but this time take clones....

 

[KONY]

humidity will fuck with smell a bunch, especially if its dry in the drying room, then either dehumidifier shuts off, or the weed is moved somewhere more humid.

more importantly though smell is from the genetics. Either that phenotype was bunk, or the strain in general.

my 2 copper ones.

 

[Leroy Brown]

^Ditto

So did they stink the place up during trimming and then they lost the smell?

If so, you gotta let that shit dry out REAL good before bagging it up, made that mistake to many times, kept thinking I had to 'cure' out the last of the moisture by venting bags/jars alot after it was fairly dry. Blaming that one on the internet. Now I know better, let that shit get dry as fuck before it goes in a bag & it smells bomb, if you go to dry you can stick some fresh buds in the bags for a bit, I'd rather go to dry & still have the smell though.

I grow it, dry it, and sell it,. Period. The next people in line can worry about curing it, always smokes great at that point anyways.

 

[Green lung]

You said they were from seeds not clones.


What makes you think that one pheno will have the same smell as another pheno?




Different seeds have different characteristics.

 

[Grass Lands]

the loss of odor and potency could be a number of issues.

I've had issues like you are speaking of...one run the taste and smell were almost obsolete...went back and fine tuned my process and got my runs back on track.

the PH to the PPM's all play a part in excellent tasting and super potent herb...maybe a starting point for your friend.

I'm guessing something somewhere along the way just wasnt the same as before...or the bud would be just like before.

just my thoughts man...

 

[englishrick]

using bigger filters wont make your dry buds smell less,,,more activated carbon might make the surrounding area smell less, but your plants stink because they pump out smell!!,,,,just keep your plants pumping it out,,dont let all that juice just evaporate,,,minimize ventilation,,high humidity increase smells and tastes,,to grow "supa stinky" buds just try to make the plants retain water,,use potassium silicate to beef up the cell structure and force that plant to hold as-much water as possible!!,,,after harvest dont dry your buds to a crisp,,,try to keep things juicy,,use glass jars

most new growers just focus on flowering and drying,,propagation is a subject most people dont think too much about after they think they have achieved it sucsessfully and consistently,,,,

clonex, root media and a propagator is not exactly "high-tech"...but most growers will say "it dose the job",,,but does it?,,,hobbyists have made massive advancements in horticultural techniques over the last few years,, yet we still lag behind in some areas compared to industrial horticulture,,micro-propagation or tissue culture is a standard technique in the horticultural industry and tissue culture could easily solve allot of our propagation problems like viruses, etc,,yet still none of us hobbyist use this technique,,,so we live in hope

"good-weed" comes with allot of compromise and balance,,but "amazing-weed" comes without compromise at every stage. its like good music,,a professorial singer cant mess-up the begging of a track and call it a "perfect cut",,,everything needs to be perfect from start to finish to make that "perfect cut"

any increase in taste or smell from a specific clone will probably be brought on by "improvements" in environments from propagation to harvest,,,,

drying is very important and bad drying can ruin a good crop,,but a bad crop can never hit the high-notes just from a good drying environment,,,

 

[jm420]

I'm surprised no one mentioned DP dosn't have the best rep ,Probably crap genetics