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Hovz

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doc: hey cool shit i'll go check it out, gotta make a couple big updates :D but then fo sho, thanks for stopping in hope you create a new indica/sativa frankenstein or some shit lol :peek:

nameless: oh i hear that--here is to just a few weeks from being on solid financial ground (big fucking knock on wood). and no worries on saying the same shit.. think about what people really talk about with their good friends, for example. it is usually the same shit. what they did today, what they might do next week, blah blah. sure it is fun to talk about new stuff, but even if you just talk about the same thing over and over hey it is still fun to talk. :D which brings me to my second no-so-direct point... why wait for the perfect grow to post a thread? if i would have done that, i would never had done one lol posting the thread and learning my mistakes as i made them or had others point them out to me, or had others steer me from the path i should have stayed on... all that stuff, the "experience" of running a real-time thread, all conglom-o-rated (word? ha) into my current level or skill set or whatever. it all adds up. i would recommend throwing your thread up at whatever point you are currently on.. of course, some folks don't like to run real-time grows/threads for security reasons, which is smart if that is your wish. (nothing like letting the entire internet know when the right time to come steal your shit is --"hey i'm harvesting tomorrow, just going out of town for the weekend then all is coming down" lol that kind of facebook advertising can get people in trouble so some avoid the risk completely by not posting real-time.. that makes sense to me. guess i just live on the edge :blowbubbles:) anyway, thanks for the kind words my friend and always a pleasure to have you stop by -- "my fans" hehe that makes me laugh. i hope chicks out there have "i heart khaleel's garden" t-shirts or bumper stickers or some shit :yes:

hovz: hiya bro, good to see you hope things are going well for ya. i'll give you a detailed rundown, but all the answers to all your questions can be found in the last few pages of my thread (don't even have to go all way back to the beginning lol), which i would highly recommend you going over even with my quick summary. the more details the better, :smoke:

the soil mix:

Happy Frog or Fox Farm Ocean Forest (FFOF), it doesn't really matter either one will work great. HF is cheaper, but FFOF comes in a bag that is the exact same size as the Pro Mix (should be pictures of the bag in my thread, it is made by OMRI, lmk if can't find a pic i'll post a link). mix equal parts soil and Pro Mix. make sure you don't buy the home depot shit pro-mix. find the pic in my thread or ask cuz you need to make sure it is the right stuff. add chunky perlite until it makes up about 30% of what is there. that's it. lol here's the nute regimen:

veg -- take your clones and either go to 16 oz cups or bags no bigger than 1 gal. the more roots present, the bigger container you can go with confidence. if you do cups, just use soil mix and no wormcastings or anything. if you go to 1/2 or 1 gal bags, put a couple handfuls of wormcastings in there (doesn't have to be scientific, you can do half wc's and half soil and they won't burn that is why i love them for nutes you can't fuck it up and the girls LOVE them).

ok. here is something i may not have hit on much, but i will pass it on. get this stuff called "Oregonism" microcorrihaze. (you know how to spell it.) it is a light blue label. expensive, but you only need a teaspoon per gallon of soil (you mix it in the soil, not the water). just put it in the dirt, after you put a few handfuls on the bottom and before putting the plant in the new container, mix it in with the wormcastings, when you transplant to the bag. the stuff smells funky, and is a super fine powder that from what i understand is little tiny bugs and shit that break down the nutrients better in your soil and keep it a good environment. this stuff makes a difference, so i use it. if i can't explain i just don't care. lol

watering in veg -- add nothing to the water except a teaspoon or so of blackstrap, unsuphered molasses. this is to help the little microbes have something to eat and get to colonizing and shit in the soil. i use a tsp or there abouts of molasses ALL THE WAY THROUGH. the only time i don't use it is when i do a complete plain water rise around six weeks in bloom, just before starting the flush. (you saw a pic of this from last week, where they are all lined up in the laundry room, i think..) *** do not water more than once a week in veg, unless you have some serious air flow going and they dry out fast as hell. i am not kidding. while in veg, these girls need to be working their roots' ass off trying to find water. that is their number one job. not vegetative growth, which is the cart, not the horse. only water when they start to look limp, when the leaves are actually starting to droop and the bag is as light as if nothing is in there. then give them a good soak til you see a bit of water coming out bottom. (if they are super super dry, the water will run off more so do it in two smaller soaks instead of one big one.)


ok, once they get to around 3-4 weeks in veg (or less, whatever size you want or whatev works with your system), you will be watering up to 3 times a week. this is when you transplant. i also take the opportunity to clone whatever i want, cuz once i transplant to bigger bags i clean up the bottom 1/4 of vegetative matter. the little growth tips and fan leaves at the bottom, i don't want them in my bloom room so they get cut the fuck off lol. helps with making feeding and water time easier with plants really close together when you are going for a full canopy, it makes the nutrients head towards the top half of the plant where the real light and action is, it creates a much better airflow underneath your canopy to keep the buds healthy, and also makes harvest a much easier task cuz you aren't trying to trim a bunch of little wispy bullshit bottom-dweller nugs. as for overall weight, i actually believe the plants like the trimming and respond with more overall weight. just the way they work, at least for me.

ok transplanting to bloom. from your 1 or 1/2 gal container, go to 3 gallon containers. with my soil mix and feeding schedule idk why it just works best. 5 gal bags never dried out fast enough, and i didn't get any additional root growth into the 5 gal area after tranplanting from the 3, so it was a waste. tried staying in 1 gallon or 2 gal bags and the girls loved it, but was just too much watering for me. 3 gal is the perfect medium, i found.

so you have your 3 gal bags, and you have your above soil mix (FFOF or HF, Pro Mix, and CHunky Perlite). do the same thing as you do for 1st transplant into veg, including the wormcastings and Oregonism microhaze stuff. you want enough nitrogen to get through the first week or two of bloom/stretch.

i noticed a lot of good growers fill the bags up to the very top, with soil. i tried this after years of not doing it. it was not for me. there may be a reason, but the way i top-feed with wormcastings and guano (bloom), i like an inch or two of room to work with on top. also makes watering easier cuz the stuff doesn't run off when you are giving them a good soak. for what it is worth.

ok, the first watering in bloom i don't add anything still except molasses. after about a week in bloom, they will be ready for the next watering. this is when i do the first round of Budswell guano. i'm using the good stuff now. the jamacian or whatever is probably good too but i'm with Budswell at the moment. lol two handfuls of the stuff on top layer of soil, and mix it in.

additives for water in bloom:

bushmaster: this stuff is a lot stronger than i thought, and i always thought it was strong. this harvest only got 2 doses of the bushmaster, in weeks 2 and 3 of bloom. i wouldn't recommend any more than that, and in fact i may only do one dose with the next one. idk if you want to be safe, just don't use it on your first run. i am back and forth on this stuff.

snowstorm ultra: cannot go wrong with this. use it from first guano feeding until start final flush. follow directions on bottle.

kool bloom: also like this. use in concert with the snowstorm ultra, same timeframe. also go light end of directions on bottle.

gravity: last two feedings of bloom, during the flush after you already rinsed out the nutes. yes, i still like this stuff and use it.


important steps. week six, or whenever you are about to stop using nutrients to begin your flush, you need to put each plant near a drain and put water through (i just use plain tap water for this part--all other water is ran through a brita filter, which PH's my tap water perfectly, then into a resovoir where it gets bubbled and serves as cloner).. anyway, put water through until all the shit comes out. i'm talking at least four times you soak the top of the container until standing water is there.

letting the plant go the full run. i have a very hard time with this part lol i want to smoke that shit as soon as week 7 is here. but i'm starting to see how to tell from the leaves when the plant is ready. avoid fucking with microscopes and shit. the leaves will start to get "cripsy"... point up, with the serrated edges reaching high, and the whole fingers get firm and crispy.. idk that is the best i can do other than to say watch trichs for amber, like you can learn anywhere blah blah

drying that shit. don't put it in a jar until the stems snap. not snap and still have some strings holding on. SNAP. a couple extra days hanging will do no harm to your buds before going in a jar for final cure, but a couple too few days and your whole harvest is fucked. you cannot get chronic, the best quality f'ing cannabis, by jarring it up before it was able to dry over about a week. speed it up any way and it just won't be as good. slow it down more, and it will be fucked.


holy shit, hovz, you gotta buy me a beer lol i just wrote forever. gotta go mow the lawn, then put some wormcastings down (shit works great on your lawn too, and is a non-toxic fert so won't kill your pets or stain your sidewalk). .. then come back in to post some sweet pics and an early harvest for the upcoming 4/20 :D

to be continued...

Cant thank you enough for posting that up this should make it really easy for me to go off of. The only shitty part is that i might have to leave for 3-4 days for my new job so i might have to grab some Trompf Blumat's. Once again i can't thank u enough for posting that.
 

Khaleel

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i think i should win an icmag award or something for longest ramble/post.. lol but glad you were able to make some sense of that. basically everything i do is in there, even if you have to sift through all the words :smoke:

good luck and ttys
 

Yes4Prop215

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yea watch out for bushmaster that stuff is powerful, a friend killed a few trays with an overdose....i would stay away from it all together, plenty of other better finishers that wont burn like Bloombastic or Catalyst, even thogh when using FFOF and perlite i find that the plants really dont need that much extra....i only apply a half dose feeding of a standard flowering nutrient like tiger bloom, or the ones mentioned earlier, and thats it. shit i even get nute burn when attempting a half dose once in flower....the FFOF Is packed with nutes you dont need much extra...at least with my OG kush, some other strains like the nute bump.
 

Khaleel

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yea watch out for bushmaster that stuff is powerful, a friend killed a few trays with an overdose....i would stay away from it all together, plenty of other better finishers that wont burn like Bloombastic or Catalyst, even thogh when using FFOF and perlite i find that the plants really dont need that much extra....i only apply a half dose feeding of a standard flowering nutrient like tiger bloom, or the ones mentioned earlier, and thats it. shit i even get nute burn when attempting a half dose once in flower....the FFOF Is packed with nutes you dont need much extra...at least with my OG kush, some other strains like the nute bump.

hiya prop, yup i am gonna do a side by side on a couple cherry haze x tw's, one with bushmaster applied twice during initial bloom (it's not a finisher bro, it's a height-stunter/bushifying agent.. i think. ? (ha "bushifier," i rule) anyway, gonna see if it is worth it but def taking her out of the main nute regiman. not that i had bad results or anything over the last few harvests... especially considering how many strains i have going which are getting the same feeding schedule. as for the bushmaster, i'm not gonna use it for 5% or whatever weight. now if it ends up being 20%, that's a dif story. :gaga: i'll let the side by side do the talking. and i think you are right on the nutes while using FFOF.. like i said, i only run the wormcastings in veg and that's it. i've even forgotton that shit completely and only used the FFOF, and of course they were fine. in bloom, just the snow storm ultra for trichs and the kool bloom for density. and i won't switch from guano, ever, i don't think. there's just something in the flavor and texture of smoke from organics, man... it's meatier when plants get to feed off animal shit, what nature intended :D ha though i know the six week rinse/flush is huge, must be cuz all the top-feeding builds up over time even if you go light.. anyway, thanks for the post my friend, always appreciate input :thanks:
 

Yes4Prop215

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^koolbloom for density huh? i gotta look into that....one of the areas ive been wanting to fix is to dense up my nugs a bit, they arent airy but kinda light. my buddys always been using kool bloom but i always wrote it off as some generic hydro nutes....is it high phosphorous that makes the buds denser? i think thats what i heard...

this last round i barely added anything...just some earthjuice catalyst and some tiger bloom with a few sprinkles of open sesame...got good shine and smell but yeah i would like some more density...

all these damn nutes, i like to keep things simple as possible. need a couple more years experiance and side by sides to iron out a few unneeded nutes. i was lucky to hear about the bushmaster from a friend who fucked his crop up.....keep it lit man il be followin your grow..
 

Rob547

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Just noticed you mentioned not buying the Home Depot Promix... the .5cf bales or whatever they have recently? Was considering buying one or two, just wondering why you said to avoid. thanks man. glad this thread is still rollin :)
 

Khaleel

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Just noticed you mentioned not buying the Home Depot Promix... the .5cf bales or whatever they have recently? Was considering buying one or two, just wondering why you said to avoid. thanks man. glad this thread is still rollin :)

hey rob, good to see ya stoppin in! :D well, the home depot promix is a different promix than the stuff i use... i tried the home depot stuff once and it had all kinds of bugs and flies in it. was a mess. the "promix" i use and love is made by OMRI and is in your hydro store, not your walmart/home depot garden section. here is a pic:

http://www.gardenharvestsupply.com/ProductCart/pc/catalog/0470P_M.jpg

very good stuff. good luck, thanks for post :wave:


yesprop: yup, this is the part i hate about growing--the academic stuff. yuck. i left that world behind for this one, and now i gotta think about shit here too? lol ah well, if it must be done... :D kool bloom does seem to put a much fatter nug out, denser etc. i know my friend Tonatiuah uses it too, and if you haven't seen his thread then get there immediately cuz he just posted a new one. can see results for yourself. :yes: i always liked the kool bloom. i'm not sure if it is the phosphorus or potassium that makes them denser, but i think it would be the K (potassium) since it is the end of cycle nute as opposed to the phosphorus (don't hammer me on the science of that guys, i'm just generalizing..). but shit if you are after final density, nothing beats Gravity. i love the stuff. after one dose i could see a difference in the weight of my flowers, no kidding. use it during your final flush, just one or two doses and no more. be sure to follow directions on bottle, it is only like 1 ml per gallon or something if i remember correctly.. :nono: but it works miracles. especially with wispier strains like the cherry haze x tw. hardens that shit up good. bushmaster i'm still undecided. have to wait and see what the side by side does. if i ever get around to it lmao thanks for post pizzle, cheers

starting to see some noticeable changes as they round the bend. oh yeah. :kitty:
 

Yes4Prop215

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^yea my friend swears by koolbloom and gravity, il give him a few nugs of OG kush for a small bottle of each to test out on the next run....

i couldnt find your homie Tonatiuah's thread..can you post a link. thanks.
 

Tonatiuh

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thanks for the shout out leel...

prop,i use the powder maxi bloom and kool bloom,shit works fantastic bro.i used fox farms nutes for years and switched to these because of the simplicity.especialy runnin a perpetual harvest,mixing all different nute sollutions for every group is a PITA fasho...

here goes a link to a bomb ass read and how to keep it super simple.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=191645

noob or vet thats a good thread bro.

you can peep my thread in my siggy,the dedication one.

didnt mean to jack ur thread leel,just tryin to help the man out.
...as you were.... :muahaha:

peace-T-
 

Khaleel

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prop -- there you have it, T just saved me from having to say all that haha (thanks for taking the initiative tona!)
 

Smoking Gun

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Hey there K, looking fantastic as always. I have to say the Cherry's seem to grow a bit longer and thinner from clone as opposed to from seed. I love seeing your room so jam packed with plants, if you put any more plants in there you will need another light.

Also, OMRI does not make your Pro-Mix, OMRI is an grading scale for determining if a product is organic or not. Its kind like a USDA organic rating, just way more strict. Pro-Mix is a brand name, the issue with Home Depot stuff is that it can sit outside all winter giving the last bugs a home to lay their eggs where they will be incubated until spring. Even in the spring the bales are all outside, as opposed to hydro stores who keep their product inside and on shelves.

On the topic of bud density, it is the phosphorus that will help you gain density. Plants use the phosphorus to help build up more mass, the potassium helps your flavor and aroma. It also seems to help trigger the flowering response, so that is probably something to do with hormones of the plant.

Sorry to hi-jack the thread like that, but just thought I could help a bit.
 

Khaleel

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Hey there K, looking fantastic as always. I have to say the Cherry's seem to grow a bit longer and thinner from clone as opposed to from seed. I love seeing your room so jam packed with plants, if you put any more plants in there you will need another light.

Also, OMRI does not make your Pro-Mix, OMRI is an grading scale for determining if a product is organic or not. Its kind like a USDA organic rating, just way more strict. Pro-Mix is a brand name, the issue with Home Depot stuff is that it can sit outside all winter giving the last bugs a home to lay their eggs where they will be incubated until spring. Even in the spring the bales are all outside, as opposed to hydro stores who keep their product inside and on shelves.

On the topic of bud density, it is the phosphorus that will help you gain density. Plants use the phosphorus to help build up more mass, the potassium helps your flavor and aroma. It also seems to help trigger the flowering response, so that is probably something to do with hormones of the plant.

Sorry to hi-jack the thread like that, but just thought I could help a bit.

lmao i wonder how many people out there are looking for "OMRI" brand pro-mix cuz i told them... lol oh well, that's why i try to post a pic of the bag too :D thanks for letting me know my friend, much obliged. like telling someone their zipper is down or they got a booger hanging out (which i consider the mark of a true friend). and great to know on what makes dense and what makes stinky. :canabis: always a pleasure g, thanks for the heads-up!
 

Khaleel

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way too many words on this page and no pics!!!!!!

here's a couple montages from memory lane.

the bubba kush reveg project. from seed, to flower, to little flower clone, back to veg :D


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didn't take a pic of the little bud clone as i took it.. wasn't really sure it would make it lol but here it is after rooting in the clone tray and being in a cup for a week or so. really started reveging quicker than i expected


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can't wait to get this mama up and killing it!!
 

Khaleel

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ok, here we are rounding the bend. seeing a good deal of amber trichs already, which is nice (oh that's what those look like lol). gave them the last dose of gravity/molasses this morning, so pretty much just waiting until they dry out nice and well probably end up being around fri/sat/sun.. then she's chop time. :D

here's a few random pics from lights out last night, day 54 at 12/12. good thing i have a filter. wow. :yes:

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here's the second half of the bloom room, between week 2-4. got about twice what i am harvesting now. next month should be a fun show. :smoke:


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some cherries doin their thing along the wall :canabis:

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and the killer chem x tw 2, i just love this gal already, she smells quite lovely and puts off a real healthy vibe, is still early just a week or two i think (sorry didn't check lol)

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peace for now,
 

Tonatiuh

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nice bro,them amber trichs comin in,:woohoo:
i take mine when they first start to get amber,like 5% of them only or so,not much..i like the high right around there,to me it seems like when i took them a litlle bit farther a couple times...like when ALOT of the trichs had gone amber(trying to see how much potent it would get)...it had started to go bad or somethin,like it wasnt as killer as when i take it w 5-10 % only amber....idk bro,you know me,i aint no scientist or no chit like tht but i just know what my head told me.
ok well this sfd makin me want to write a mf chapter in ur thread so imma peace out before i start hijackin :laughing:
peace-T-
 

Khaleel

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nice bro,them amber trichs comin in,:woohoo:
i take mine when they first start to get amber,like 5% of them only or so,not much..i like the high right around there,to me it seems like when i took them a litlle bit farther a couple times...like when ALOT of the trichs had gone amber(trying to see how much potent it would get)...it had started to go bad or somethin,like it wasnt as killer as when i take it w 5-10 % only amber....idk bro,you know me,i aint no scientist or no chit like tht but i just know what my head told me.
ok well this sfd makin me want to write a mf chapter in ur thread so imma peace out before i start hijackin :laughing:
peace-T-

dude anytime you wanna drop some knowledge in my thread you have an open invite :gaga: lol seriously, i always appreciate tips and especially from those with gardens like yours mang. :yes: good to know, i actually was thinking you let it go longer so i'm really glad you said that. they might actually start coming down on wed or thu, cuz they are right around 1-5% right now... sooooo stinky. that cherry haze.. just rub your finger on a bud and your whole finger is smeared with what looks like oil/water it is so crazy. and just reeks to high heaven of fruity pebbles.. viper is like a jar of turpentine all shaken up with a few pine needles or something. love this shit. the g-13 is on the way out the door, cuz even though the colors are lovely it just doesn't produce, smell, or havethe hit i am after. (later bitch you now my ex!!) haha the bubba x dc 2 is a big producer and so crystally.. i'll see how these two plants end up to decide whether i keep her. i already have the super strong BK x DC purple monster (1) in veg so idk if i wanna keep two phenos but these do look lovely lol ah choices. good to havce em :D

thanks for post and kudos bro, your harvest looks bomb :joint:
 

Khaleel

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here's a few more pics on the color of the trichs.. lmk what you guys think :wave:


viper x tw, right, bubba kush x dc, left, both at day 54

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Khaleel

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icmag doesn't seem to be letting me go in and delete my old pics.. hmm. well, that is probably fitting. i have one more pic available. i pulled all the bitches down yesterday at day 56. :smoke: looking absolutely fantastic. i'll post one more dried shot, then probably decide on whether to delete my entire album and start anew or what.. hey if i do throw some coin together to mail into icmag, anyone know the address?
 

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