i will either make alot of friends orfoes i used to gow outdoor than i went to a place angot locked in to the indoor scene,, i met and married agirl fom the highlands of south columbia for the last three years have been growin weed at 2700 to 4000 metrs in the andes to me theweed is better than any 12 euroe grm buds i cn buy im amsterdam,, i get 1 dollar agram what i see is most companys selling 100 dollars seeds suck and suck a gen for selling seeds for highland growers biggest problem germ rates hermies and bortytus the most consistent seeds have tried were given from cannabiogen and ace and bodhis nepalis are performing the best from seed vendors ,,,,,, i have tried allist its so long it will take some hours to write what i really wont to no if you breeders and growers have evr breed nand growwn in high allitudes over 2900 meters on the eqador,, and the clone only varietys they all seem to loose evrything after many years whats the highest thc sativas and indicas in the west iam finding the f1s fromland races are blowing away the others in a highlandsgrow i have tried many varietys i dont thank 1000 waighters came canpete with the eqatorioan sun
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old school land races vs modern day elites and seeds
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I agree, Ive grown and smoked indoor and outdoor weed long enough to know...
But I believe the tide is slowly changing - with the increasing interest in landrace strains from growers, I think the days of 120 Euro hashplants that grow like sativas with barely any resin on them are dying out...
Less people are buying into clone only/elite hype and realising most of the best seeds on the market are in fact NOT overpriced dutch polyhybrids...
People are getting bored I guess, and want something different, OR perhaps they
have found a deeper issue concerning the edgy/disorienting effect of many hybrids
(especially when grown hydro)
They are turning to the generally more uplifting but balanced effect of landraces,
similar stuff that fueled the hippie movement which is interesting (in more ways than one if you look into it)
It has been well proven in my experience and many others that landraces out-perform hybrids outdoors (what hybrid vigour?)
Better disease/pest resistance etc...
I rather smoke import brikweed than hydro thanks lol..
But I believe the tide is slowly changing - with the increasing interest in landrace strains from growers, I think the days of 120 Euro hashplants that grow like sativas with barely any resin on them are dying out...
Less people are buying into clone only/elite hype and realising most of the best seeds on the market are in fact NOT overpriced dutch polyhybrids...
People are getting bored I guess, and want something different, OR perhaps they
have found a deeper issue concerning the edgy/disorienting effect of many hybrids
(especially when grown hydro)
They are turning to the generally more uplifting but balanced effect of landraces,
similar stuff that fueled the hippie movement which is interesting (in more ways than one if you look into it)
It has been well proven in my experience and many others that landraces out-perform hybrids outdoors (what hybrid vigour?)
Better disease/pest resistance etc...
I rather smoke import brikweed than hydro thanks lol..
Interesting thread. I live at low elevation, so can't speak to high elevation growing, but I agree, landrace and less hybridized IBL's are making a comeback. I still think Hybrids have their place, but enjoy the renaissance of old school cool...
C
charlie garcia
Hola Russkya
Glad you are on the road again and still. Also glad some seeds and hybrids made it well over there. Its very extreme growing conditions and even in those places like you say botrytis can be an issue and locals can have their crops destroyed due climate, too rainny and too cold for too long even there sometimes fucks lots of crops. Highland is that, extreme climate at day and at night. Always remember a trip to Equator, never had such cold feeling, so extreme frost came in just 5 minutes even digital camera couldnt work that time.
Debate is hard to talk, hard to compare, is indoor versus outdoor, is regular conditions versus extreme conditions, 8 weeks versus longer cycles too. I would valorate both aspects but if you ask for private tastes, some would like indicas effect, others sativa motivating effects. In this sense I prefer last for sure, much more motivating effects which make you feel alive. From uplifting hashes to weeds. Fact is I build a quick tolerance to indicas, there is a point they dont hit me anymore and need to cut this with sativa to feel up again or I would live in a dark and bored cloud all the time. But is choices and tastes, each has one. And often you cannot choose due your circunstances. Anyhow, am not objective in the effect issue, I prefer motivating weed, weed which moves my ass off the sofa and gives you energy, creativeness and even sometimes wishes to participate in these forums lol
You dont even need the edgy spectrum of some lines all the time but few tokes can make you smile and change your mood very well too. All depends, again, many subjetive variables.
As far as your hybrids perform well, your selections get nice resistance to elements am sure lines will succeed as well if grown under other less extreme conditions. They do alone, root system and feeding is much more efficient etc. But you always have to select, always, lines can lose their fire in few steps if not paying attention to some traits and effects. A friend from Mexico talked about how some old ppl there grew some long lines, harvested in february, and how with the time they ended up never reaching flowering, just growing taller and taller and for this reason were not used anymore, they lost them in their climate which seemed favourable at first. Other times you even had some brilliant F1 while F2 may turn mediocre! so is not that simple like matching two lines and thats all. Favourable traits and expressions, short time viability and long term viability are an issue. In other aspects often F1's have such vigour cant compete with others. Some will overpass expectations with little luck which is your goal.
Glad you are having fun, and get a perspective of how things turned out with the time to achieve some interesting conclusions
sorry for such large rambling
cuidate, best
kaiki
Glad you are on the road again and still. Also glad some seeds and hybrids made it well over there. Its very extreme growing conditions and even in those places like you say botrytis can be an issue and locals can have their crops destroyed due climate, too rainny and too cold for too long even there sometimes fucks lots of crops. Highland is that, extreme climate at day and at night. Always remember a trip to Equator, never had such cold feeling, so extreme frost came in just 5 minutes even digital camera couldnt work that time.
Debate is hard to talk, hard to compare, is indoor versus outdoor, is regular conditions versus extreme conditions, 8 weeks versus longer cycles too. I would valorate both aspects but if you ask for private tastes, some would like indicas effect, others sativa motivating effects. In this sense I prefer last for sure, much more motivating effects which make you feel alive. From uplifting hashes to weeds. Fact is I build a quick tolerance to indicas, there is a point they dont hit me anymore and need to cut this with sativa to feel up again or I would live in a dark and bored cloud all the time. But is choices and tastes, each has one. And often you cannot choose due your circunstances. Anyhow, am not objective in the effect issue, I prefer motivating weed, weed which moves my ass off the sofa and gives you energy, creativeness and even sometimes wishes to participate in these forums lol
You dont even need the edgy spectrum of some lines all the time but few tokes can make you smile and change your mood very well too. All depends, again, many subjetive variables. As far as your hybrids perform well, your selections get nice resistance to elements am sure lines will succeed as well if grown under other less extreme conditions. They do alone, root system and feeding is much more efficient etc. But you always have to select, always, lines can lose their fire in few steps if not paying attention to some traits and effects. A friend from Mexico talked about how some old ppl there grew some long lines, harvested in february, and how with the time they ended up never reaching flowering, just growing taller and taller and for this reason were not used anymore, they lost them in their climate which seemed favourable at first. Other times you even had some brilliant F1 while F2 may turn mediocre! so is not that simple like matching two lines and thats all. Favourable traits and expressions, short time viability and long term viability are an issue. In other aspects often F1's have such vigour cant compete with others. Some will overpass expectations with little luck which is your goal.
Glad you are having fun, and get a perspective of how things turned out with the time to achieve some interesting conclusions
sorry for such large rambling
cuidate, best
kaiki
ijim
Member
Some of the best sativa's Ive had came from the mountain regions of Michoacan and Oaxaca in Mexico. You always knew exactly where the cannabis came from because the kilo's were wrapped in local newspaper. I still grow with them as my base genetics but after 40 years or so they have been bastardized. First by indica's I used to find around George Washington's Mount Vernon. Was just good dope then didn't have a clue about genetics.
Try Mexican Land Races most are from the mountains. Good luck.
Try Mexican Land Races most are from the mountains. Good luck.
Most hybrids are not meant to grow up that high.. the seeds you're growing that work are near impossible to grow indoors, but work really well outdoors, and are adapted to deal with the extreme conditions the great outdoors can throw at you..
Maybe, someday when I can plant some seeds outdoors without worrying about losing my freedom, I'll be able to appreciate the strains you're rocking
Maybe, someday when I can plant some seeds outdoors without worrying about losing my freedom, I'll be able to appreciate the strains you're rocking
hi russkya
If i lived where you do, i think the last thing i would be doing is trying to buy hybrid seeds from anywhere. I see a lot of bricked baled weed come from somewhere south of the mexican border,(( who knows where), more than 100 lbs every few weeks. Much of it, maybe 75% is mediocre, but some of it blows away anything in amsterdam or oaksterdam for that matter.
Just a few weeks ago, i saw a 20lb bale of mouldy brown brick that was chocked full of seeds and every seed mature. 20 seeds per joint!.... and the shit is more potent than anything sold on the internet from any company from any country.. I chunked off 1/2 oz and collect a few hundred seeds out of it for myself. I cant imagine the potency if it was grown unseeded .
And thats not unusual russkya. Ever 3rd of 4th load i see is straight up whoop ass! Brown pressed ugly killer dope that mr. nice or serious can only dream of. I would forget searching hybrid breeders and wander around central america for awhile buying local weed until you find something like this stuff im looking at. If any breeder had some of this stuff they would win every award going but you cant buy it from seed botique.
If i lived where you do, i think the last thing i would be doing is trying to buy hybrid seeds from anywhere. I see a lot of bricked baled weed come from somewhere south of the mexican border,(( who knows where), more than 100 lbs every few weeks. Much of it, maybe 75% is mediocre, but some of it blows away anything in amsterdam or oaksterdam for that matter.
Just a few weeks ago, i saw a 20lb bale of mouldy brown brick that was chocked full of seeds and every seed mature. 20 seeds per joint!.... and the shit is more potent than anything sold on the internet from any company from any country.. I chunked off 1/2 oz and collect a few hundred seeds out of it for myself. I cant imagine the potency if it was grown unseeded .
And thats not unusual russkya. Ever 3rd of 4th load i see is straight up whoop ass! Brown pressed ugly killer dope that mr. nice or serious can only dream of. I would forget searching hybrid breeders and wander around central america for awhile buying local weed until you find something like this stuff im looking at. If any breeder had some of this stuff they would win every award going but you cant buy it from seed botique.
That sounds good man, but I hope its not actually mouldy, just fermented?
Ive been getting some very nice Cambodian (Im told its Cam) bud it is seedless though...
Heres a pic it has a foody/peppery/liquorice smell and is pretty kick ass.
Any similarities to your Mexican stuff?
BTW seedless pot is no more potent than seeded...In fact seeded is more potent by weight after the seeds have been taken out...
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up here the best smoke is ispice 33 ,, a columbian x afghani,,, kazakistan x afghan,,sugarloaf,,spade and watermelon hashplant,, they seem to do better most consistantly i dont buy the the lowland seed banks stuff people here give them to me where i learned to grow the mountains are higher than the andes up at 3700 meters nature makes the selection up at coto started out with 350 only 60 yielded and they were the varietys i listed
For real?
For real?
Is that so?
I would really appreciate some more info on this subject
Thank you
For real?
BTW seedless pot is no more potent than seeded...In fact seeded is more potent by weight after the seeds have been taken out...
Is that so?
I would really appreciate some more info on this subject
Thank you
Is that so?
I would really appreciate some more info on this subject
Thank you
Hey paulo, all the books say that sensi is the best/strongest etc but I find myself asking where these ideas come from...
The seed bracts are more potent when pregnant...
I noticed it a while ago before I started growing and more so when I started growing and crossing strains.
As soon as the seeds start swelling in the bud - bam the resin coating begins, of course this happens with sensi but its just not as strong - maybe the cannabinoids change due to seed making hormones I dont know...
Back to the books that promote sensi now this may be a long shot but were many of them not released during the advent of SEEDbanks especially around the "indica tide"...
Hence the switching from seeded sativas to sensi indicas and also the moving from outdoor to indoor cultivation...
Bare in mind this is just me joining dots here
tryn2getby
Member
I have an old school Burmese....a real exotic smelln gal....she's been my daily go to for over 10yrs.....well balanced & freaky on the inside...sets me right every time
yr2
yr2
Is that so?
I would really appreciate some more info on this subject
Thank you
The resin is a protective mechanism, supposedly to protect the seeds from damage from UV rays, which are mutagens. So more resin on the bracts to protect the seeds, but less overall mass in the buds after the seeds are removed means the de-seeded bud is a bit closer to hash (more resin, less plant material) and therefor more potent. There may be differences in the content of the trichomes as well, but that's something that I'm not informed on, and it's best to remain silent and be assumed a fool, instead of opening your mouth and removing all doubt
Many thanks!
Many thanks!
I like the way you connect the dots
and you sound like my kind of guy...the one that don´t believe the Hypes
Nice one ixnay007!
This is some essential info for all my outdoor projects.
And the dots almost connect all by themselves
Maybe because of this fact where plants are mostly used for hash production locals prefer seeded plants to process. They´ve noticed through experience that seeded plants would end up giving a stronger final product then the sensi ones.
This brings some new light to my adventure in Morocco
That´s why i find this forum essential to my growing projects.
Thanks again guys
Many thanks!
Hey paulo, all the books say that sensi is the best/strongest etc but I find myself asking where these ideas come from...
The seed bracts are more potent when pregnant...
I noticed it a while ago before I started growing and more so when I started growing and crossing strains.
As soon as the seeds start swelling in the bud - bam the resin coating begins, of course this happens with sensi but its just not as strong - maybe the cannabinoids change due to seed making hormones I dont know...
Back to the books that promote sensi now this may be a long shot but were many of them not released during the advent of SEEDbanks especially around the "indica tide"...
Hence the switching from seeded sativas to sensi indicas and also the moving from outdoor to indoor cultivation...
Bare in mind this is just me joining dots here
I like the way you connect the dots
and you sound like my kind of guy...the one that don´t believe the Hypes The resin is a protective mechanism, supposedly to protect the seeds from damage from UV rays, which are mutagens. So more resin on the bracts to protect the seeds, but less overall mass in the buds after the seeds are removed means the de-seeded bud is a bit closer to hash (more resin, less plant material) and therefor more potent. There may be differences in the content of the trichomes as well, but that's something that I'm not informed on, and it's best to remain silent and be assumed a fool, instead of opening your mouth and removing all doubt
Nice one ixnay007!
This is some essential info for all my outdoor projects.
And the dots almost connect all by themselves
Maybe because of this fact where plants are mostly used for hash production locals prefer seeded plants to process. They´ve noticed through experience that seeded plants would end up giving a stronger final product then the sensi ones.
This brings some new light to my adventure in Morocco
That´s why i find this forum essential to my growing projects.
Thanks again guys
sadly I wasn't around in the hippie-era, would have loved to try al the awesome labdraces around back then
altough from what I've heard it was mostly hash here back then(the netherlands, from what I've heard only some groups of immigrants smoked weed, everyone else smoked hash)
and sadly I also haven't had the pleasure to smoke/vape a sativa landrace yet
but earlier this week I had some haze(nothing else mentioned with it so could very well be pure original haze), wich was great, the first time ever I got an effect similar to my owngrown but from coffeeshopweed(sativa-effect, if there was only indica available I would rather not smoke/vape at all or minimally then smoke/vape indica, together with friends indica's can be ok but by myself I can't even get high from it, only really sleepy and fighting to keep my eyes open)
I started growing outdoor because it's cheaper, easier and atracted me more(I rather look at and take care of just the plant then manage ferts and use calculations and shedules etc, I hate shedules, IMO outdoorgrowing is much more relaxed, doing it together with nature instead of doing a lot of work to recreate nature after you've ellimated her)
but I stay for the high, maybe the potency of indoor shopweed is better(but I'm also only growng 2 seasons, still a lot of experience to gather), but the high doesn't cut it being used to my outdoorgrown sativa or hybrid without couchlock(wich elimibates my problems with indica)
o yeah, the haze also had a very delicious taste, I would describe it as a bit hashy/spicy but someone else would probably describe it a lot different(I found that out a while ago when I mentiined to a friend that my energydrink smelled like vanilla, usually my sense of smell is bad and I don't smell such things but sometimes I have episodes with smell, and it turned out that a lot of things I think smell like vanilla dont smell like vanilla at all acording to him, for me vanilla is just a sweet smell but according to him it isn't just sweet but there's more that makes it vanilla)
only tasted it once tough
altough from what I've heard it was mostly hash here back then(the netherlands, from what I've heard only some groups of immigrants smoked weed, everyone else smoked hash)
and sadly I also haven't had the pleasure to smoke/vape a sativa landrace yet
but earlier this week I had some haze(nothing else mentioned with it so could very well be pure original haze), wich was great, the first time ever I got an effect similar to my owngrown but from coffeeshopweed(sativa-effect, if there was only indica available I would rather not smoke/vape at all or minimally then smoke/vape indica, together with friends indica's can be ok but by myself I can't even get high from it, only really sleepy and fighting to keep my eyes open)
I started growing outdoor because it's cheaper, easier and atracted me more(I rather look at and take care of just the plant then manage ferts and use calculations and shedules etc, I hate shedules, IMO outdoorgrowing is much more relaxed, doing it together with nature instead of doing a lot of work to recreate nature after you've ellimated her)
but I stay for the high, maybe the potency of indoor shopweed is better(but I'm also only growng 2 seasons, still a lot of experience to gather), but the high doesn't cut it being used to my outdoorgrown sativa or hybrid without couchlock(wich elimibates my problems with indica)
o yeah, the haze also had a very delicious taste, I would describe it as a bit hashy/spicy but someone else would probably describe it a lot different(I found that out a while ago when I mentiined to a friend that my energydrink smelled like vanilla, usually my sense of smell is bad and I don't smell such things but sometimes I have episodes with smell, and it turned out that a lot of things I think smell like vanilla dont smell like vanilla at all acording to him, for me vanilla is just a sweet smell but according to him it isn't just sweet but there's more that makes it vanilla)
only tasted it once tough
All my Landrace Iranians come from 7,000 feet elevation Toyserkan, Iran..amazing smells and so much variation...4 seasons in that part of Iran very lush
ijim
Member
That sounds good man, but I hope its not actually mouldy, just fermented?
Ive been getting some very nice Cambodian (Im told its Cam) bud it is seedless though...
Heres a pic it has a foody/peppery/liquorice smell and is pretty kick ass.
Any similarities to your Mexican stuff?
BTW seedless pot is no more potent than seeded...In fact seeded is more potent by weight after the seeds have been taken out...
I am elated to hear someone say mature propagated Cannabis is just as good or better. Been shaking my head at snobs that cry about seeds since sensimilla drifted east in the 70s.
Hi russkya ,
im not surprised you have had the experience youve had with internet seeds , they are not really so suited to where you grow ,
one can do resonably with them if the weather is dry ,
but you are way better of with local seed as you ve found ..
I also live in the tropics at an altitude ,
not as high as you ,
but i understand some of your problems ..
enjoyed the pics you showed in another thread ...
About seeded bud,
Here is DJ Shorts take on it:
"Originally Posted by djzed
I’ve found that even slightly seeded plants tend to possess greater desirability. Sometimes just dusting a lower branch was all it took to light up the whole plant. Again, requiring a subtle appreciation, but worth investigation."
Farang
Here is DJ Shorts take on it:
"Originally Posted by djzed
I’ve found that even slightly seeded plants tend to possess greater desirability. Sometimes just dusting a lower branch was all it took to light up the whole plant. Again, requiring a subtle appreciation, but worth investigation."
Farang
