2x4 tent and tray, House and Garden + Botanicare, coco, 11-2 gal
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I know how you feel these last few runs. My results took a tiny step back and then I almost lost my veg to a whole slew of mistakes and problems. I am finally back on track as well.
Just remember always start with ph when there is a problem and u know your are feeding and flushing properly.
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I know how you feel these last few runs. My results took a tiny step back and then I almost lost my veg to a whole slew of mistakes and problems. I am finally back on track as well.
Just remember always start with ph when there is a problem and u know your are feeding and flushing properly.
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SirSmokalot-What up bro!Yea shitty but what can you do other than live and learn I suppose. My grow looks pretty sweet so far, but I don't wanna pull the trigger early....They could turn out shit like everything has been, but I've changed a few things and they do look healthier and frostier than I've seen in some of my past grows.
Guyute54-Hey my friend! Hope all has been well for ya, glad to see you stuck your head inside to say hi!
So I'm just bumpin my thread a bit, since it's really starting to look nice and frosty!
Guyute54-Hey my friend! Hope all has been well for ya, glad to see you stuck your head inside to say hi!
So I'm just bumpin my thread a bit, since it's really starting to look nice and frosty!
Nice. 
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Lebniis-Hi there....I think you should be at least getting 1-2 oz per plant bro.
Thanks dudes
Day 44 of flower, planning to go about 60-63....Things could be better. I'm sure the root aphids arent helping, next crop I'll get some of those predatory nematodes I've heard about. No mites or thrips though, and thats awesome! Many of the Alien Dogs are yellowing along with the GDP, all are in the center gaining the most light, but are probably the least healthiest. Not sure what to think honestly, PH, too much or to low of food? The other ladies look good.
Alien Dog
GDP
Bubba
Chem D, I think I spot hermie flowers...so shes not happy?
Platinum Kush, lotsa nugs but kinda tiny...Needs more light for sure.
Stardog, I'm likin this one!
Stay tuned to see if I crash and burn, or actually pull some decent nugs out of this harvest! lol
Thanks dudes
Day 44 of flower, planning to go about 60-63....Things could be better. I'm sure the root aphids arent helping, next crop I'll get some of those predatory nematodes I've heard about. No mites or thrips though, and thats awesome! Many of the Alien Dogs are yellowing along with the GDP, all are in the center gaining the most light, but are probably the least healthiest. Not sure what to think honestly, PH, too much or to low of food? The other ladies look good.
Alien Dog
GDP
Bubba
Chem D, I think I spot hermie flowers...so shes not happy?
Platinum Kush, lotsa nugs but kinda tiny...Needs more light for sure.
Stardog, I'm likin this one!
Stay tuned to see if I crash and burn, or actually pull some decent nugs out of this harvest! lol
I have faith in a dank harvest!
My last round had the green crack looking the same with the yellow leaves like that from bout week 2 onward. They smoke fine. Prob coulda been fatter
My last round had the green crack looking the same with the yellow leaves like that from bout week 2 onward. They smoke fine. Prob coulda been fatter
KUSHEATER1
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greenatik
Member
i always seem to miss your threads cali until ur almost done 
looks great though! seems like things are getting back on track. the key to flood with coco is flushing once a week thru the top 5.8-6.0 tap water. also i wouldn't go below 5.8 ever for any reason, 6.0 is prime calmag absorption. feel free to stop by my sour grape thread to see how I get down with the floodndrain
peace brotha
looks great though! seems like things are getting back on track. the key to flood with coco is flushing once a week thru the top 5.8-6.0 tap water. also i wouldn't go below 5.8 ever for any reason, 6.0 is prime calmag absorption. feel free to stop by my sour grape thread to see how I get down with the floodndrain
peace brotha
KUSHEATER1
Active member
looking dank
Hey cali, in all your shots the coco looks dry, pretend you are in hydroton and water them more often. I never let the top dry out.
greenatik
Member
/agreed
letting the coco dry will cause more PH problems then your feed being off. the only time I let the coco dry out at all is right after a transplant, to force the plant to explore.
also ive noticed that since upping my watering frequency to 3 floods a day, the rez holds its ph much better. if the coco is dry and you flood them, they will retain a bunch of water, emptying your rez and dramatically changing the PH
to the OP;
I got some advice on here once that a fellow grower had a sudden swing in pH from his source water. So I checked mine when I was having problems like yours and what do ya know?? Normal pH from tap was 7.5 and when mixing with RO 50% pH came out 7 even.
The day that I checked pH from tap was 6.5!! mix with RO and was down in the 5s THEN add nutes and was in the 4s... I was like WHAAAAT!!!!
So now just straight TAP, nutes, Silica for pH^ Problem Solved.
I got some advice on here once that a fellow grower had a sudden swing in pH from his source water. So I checked mine when I was having problems like yours and what do ya know?? Normal pH from tap was 7.5 and when mixing with RO 50% pH came out 7 even.
The day that I checked pH from tap was 6.5!! mix with RO and was down in the 5s THEN add nutes and was in the 4s... I was like WHAAAAT!!!!
So now just straight TAP, nutes, Silica for pH^ Problem Solved.
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SirSmokalot-YOO BRO! Sweet news then, yea I think I fucked em up on PH in the beginning, a bit too low but now they are looking sweet! Glad to see ya around
KUSHEATER1-Thanks dude!
greenatik-Yo man, yea I think sometimes PH'ing to 5.6-5.7 didnt actually help, I figured the PH would rise a bit and sit at 5.8 in the pots but I think its obvious that my plants suffered from a whack PH in the start and the cal mag didnt get in enough. I hear you on the watering and flushing more often, thanks for the good tips and I'll check your thread!
Third Coast-Thanks for the comments, will do!
one Q-I hear you about the silica for PH^, got buddy that tells me to do the same. I use silica in the start to thicken the branches and get the plants more sturdy/drought resistant. At about 4 weeks I stop the silica though, as far as I know they just don't need it after week 4 flower...
Day 50 of flower and things are looking, stable. Some plants still look wicked dank, some look like they need some tlc but are getting bigger and frostier. For bud boost I am using MOAB, it says use in the last two weeks but I started it at half strength during the 7th week and will give one more feeding of MOAB at half strength tonight and tomorrow. After that I will be flushing with a low solution of A and B aqua flakes. PPM will be at about 400-500 in this coming 8th week, then lower to 200PPM during the 9th week. The last few days I'll flush with straight RO water.
Alien Dog
Star Dog
GDP
Chem D
Didn't grab any good Kush shots. I will get an assssload of shots in during harvest though, and I'm sure a few of those will be good
KUSHEATER1-Thanks dude!
greenatik-Yo man, yea I think sometimes PH'ing to 5.6-5.7 didnt actually help, I figured the PH would rise a bit and sit at 5.8 in the pots but I think its obvious that my plants suffered from a whack PH in the start and the cal mag didnt get in enough. I hear you on the watering and flushing more often, thanks for the good tips and I'll check your thread!
Third Coast-Thanks for the comments, will do!
one Q-I hear you about the silica for PH^, got buddy that tells me to do the same. I use silica in the start to thicken the branches and get the plants more sturdy/drought resistant. At about 4 weeks I stop the silica though, as far as I know they just don't need it after week 4 flower...
Day 50 of flower and things are looking, stable. Some plants still look wicked dank, some look like they need some tlc but are getting bigger and frostier. For bud boost I am using MOAB, it says use in the last two weeks but I started it at half strength during the 7th week and will give one more feeding of MOAB at half strength tonight and tomorrow. After that I will be flushing with a low solution of A and B aqua flakes. PPM will be at about 400-500 in this coming 8th week, then lower to 200PPM during the 9th week. The last few days I'll flush with straight RO water.
Alien Dog
Star Dog
GDP
Chem D
Didn't grab any good Kush shots. I will get an assssload of shots in during harvest though, and I'm sure a few of those will be good
how long till harvest??Yo yo, lets go over some things then....
hieagle420-I hear ya brotha, and it used to be as simple as that haha. Now I find myself going over every little thing that could possibly be wrong, and am still coming up short.
TRA1NWRECK-Sup dude, I used cocos A and B for about a year and a half and it worked great! I wanted to try some other lines and went for canna which worked but I wanted H & G back since I really think I got the best results with their line....I followed Sirsmokealots threads pretty well and he used H & G Aqua Flakes with amazing results. The reason IMO to use Aqua Flakes is because I actually do run a bit of a hydro setup, its ebb and flo and I have a reservoir that sits with nutrient in it for no longer than a week. Since using AF I thought I should change back to cocos A and B to see if it brought back my good results so I have a set of cocos bottles waiting til the AF is done. The thing is if you look as the ingredients for both AF and Cocos they are really, really, similar. I hear you on the 5ml through veg and 6ml in flower since I also hear that H & G has "hot" nutrients, but my plants are like bushes and I've been wondering if they need more???
Khaleel-Yo dude what up! Glad to see your checkin in, I'll try to make it by your thread in a bit!
Kindman69-What up man, you've got some great advice. I will bring my H & G a bit down cuz I hear they are hot all the time, I just figured they needed a boost right after transplant. I've been using drip clean for about 2 weeks now. The plants were super flushed at the beginning, I didnt even take pics cuz I thought they were gonna die. I was giving them pure RO trying to flush whatever it was I put in that I thought fucked em up, but in all reality I think I was over-flushing. So now that I have transplanted they are putting in new growth and looking better. I have just switched to flower a few days ago. On to offgassing, I have grown a couple of very quick flowering plants in my tent and they came out dank, but I do think they were starting to experience maybe a salt build up or off gassing toward the end since all of my others strains that flowered longer did really poorly, which could of again just been salt build up from improper flushing. Thanks for the comments and please stick around, I'll try to explain everything I do so you can see what I fuck up on and stop me! Gonna check my tubes when my light is on tonight and see if they are made by NGW, I read a thread on NGW tubing that had chemicals that fucked growers with off gassing. If that aint it, then I duno what to do....
Cannabean-Thanks bro I hope so too! Good to see ya around
ok bro. sorry i'm late to your party, couple of things cause i haven't yet read the whole thread. if you solved it good. i may have your answer....
first a question?
do you first flush your coco and balance it's PH? ok on with the basics...
1 flush by feeding drain to waste only.
2 i told you i believed it to be offgassing, more on this in a second.
3 what amounts of what (example: 8ml of a&b per gal) are you using and additives? and how often? i'm high, so if someone wrote this already, well.....
4 ok did anyone ever tell you that tents offgas your shit as well?
http://www.thctalk.com/cannabis-forum/showthread.php?24443-OutGassing-Grow-Tents
Open Letter from HydroHut to the public
In the last several months, HydroHut has been made aware of and pursued a problem with some of its Huts causing a peculiar plant yellowing leading to plant whitening in certain, sensitive plants. While the issue did not arise in all plants, or all Huts, the existence of a problem was not conducive to our product’s mission.
After several months of extensive testing, false positives and much interaction with the public regarding this matter, we have found an EPA approved compound that isn’t stable in our plastic and that causes extreme stress to certain sensitive plants. In the future, this compound will be removed during manufacture.
Our focus has been directed at how to remove this compound from the plastic and to do so in a way that we could retroactively repair any HydroHut already in the field. As of February 2008, HydroHut will be repairing any affected HydroHuts at its facility. The exact process by which we repair the HydroHuts is extensive and proprietary and it will be carried out by a trainedstaff at our locations.
We fully understand that this situation with our product has adversely affected many clients. For this reason, we are standing behind our product and are offering anyone who has been affected a way to have his/her HydroHut repaired free of charge.
Any client, be they end user or store, can arrange to have his HydroHut shipped back to our Los Angeles facility for processing, free of charge. The HydroHut will then be shipped back to the client free of charge.
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Please provide the following details in the email:
1) Size/model of affected HydroHut
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4) A name to whom/which we can address the package going back to you, the client. (We will make a good faith attempt at getting your product back to you. If nobody is at the address to accept the package three times, the package will be sent back to Los Angeles. Any further attempts to get the package to the client will be paid for by client.)
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7) If a store has new HydroHut, still in its original box, the canvas can be re-boxed in a separate box, and the canvas will be returned to the store new and folded, ready to put back into the original box. Please keep your original box at your store including all poles, hardware, and instructions. Do not send us the entire unit.
While this entire exercise may be time consuming, HydroHut is doing all that it can to rectify this problem as quickly as possible. We apologize to everyone for the difficulties incurred with our product, end-users and stores. Without a loyal standing of clients we would be nothing. It is our goal make this situation as right as we can. Thank you to everyone who has stuck with us through this difficult period.
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Follow up information provided by discussion with thanks
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HydroHuts encountered a toxic plastic issue related to some plants in their tents. The manufacturers have refused to come clean with what they did in China and asking them again for months led to no divulging of the truth. As we knew that the same machine manufactured for many brands, we assumed that other brands would come forth and admit a problem as we did, but that was not the case.
Tracking down the culprit did take several months. The culprit has been sought before, 3 times to be exact but most of those years were pre-internet days and the word did not get passed around. Let us hope that our disaster and bad fortune will now lead to everyone knowing what to look for if these toxic plant symptoms ever reappear around the world.
We at HydroHut have been well bashed for incurring this problem and unknowingly passing it on. It appeared in our product two years after we began selling our HydroHuts so definitely something was changed behind our backs, but we took responsibility.
Our recall ran most of 2008 and included arranging credit for those clients affected who returned their HydroHut to the authorized store of purchase. The recall finished on December 31, 2008. We are now selling a new, non-toxic and much improved HydroHut.
Following please find a letter with a link to the actual problem and how it was studied at 3 different points in the second half of the last century and several other links talking about the plasticizer/phthalate issue itself and those effects on plants and humans as they differ greatly.
HydroHuts USA
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http://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php...&postcount=142
HomeBox
Homebox claims its products are not affected by the Offgassing because they use a different plastic product to make their tents namely Polyethylene (PE) and claim that it is PVC based tents that are affected.
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Lately, we have had an increasing number of customers and retailers approaching us with questions and concerns about some problems they have heard of with grow boxes. Some were simple problems like the cover material becoming brittle with use or a strange smell to the boxes when they are new (due to outgasing); other problems ranged from weird, complex to some that were a bit frightening like plants yellowing and dying within the grow boxes. Everybody wanted to know if these things could happen with an Original Homebox as well. The answer is "No."
How can we be so sure? Let me explain.
Our Homeboxes were on the market for over 3 years before the first imitations appeared. In that time we have not received one single complaint. And, we can assure everyone, that all these problems will definitely not occur with any of our products which are of the highest quality.
When starting the inventing process of the portable grow box we named Homebox, finding the perfect material needed for the cover was a huge issue for us. The demands were set fast:
• Durable and tough but not too heavy
• Lightproof
• Reflecting inside
Soon it was clear, that it had to be several materials, combined to one. Looking only at these perimeters, Polyvinyl chloride (PVC) seemed to be the best solution, followed by Polyurethane (PU), which has very similar properties. It is easy to laminate, tough and relatively cheap.
But we also had clear demands concerning the protection of:
• The users and consumers health
• The environment
Now, looking at these factors, both PVC and PU were instantly not a choice any more.
We researched a lot, and after long time and many investments into trials and tests, we found the perfect combination for our Material.
It consists of 3 layers:
• on the outside we use webbed Polyamid (PA), for strength and durability and to make sowing possible
• as a middle layer, we use black Polyethylene (PE) to guarantee that it is lightproof
• the inner layer is white PE to ensure maximum reflection and perfect ability to clean
Why did we choose to use PA and PE instead of PVC or PU? And why is that so important in reference to the occurring problems?
To explain that, let us peek a bit into material science. What are the different characteristics of PVC, PU; PA and PE?
Additional information supplied via discussion with thanks
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please take your time to look up the test report, which is posted on our website. is is also mentioned in the first post of the thread.
this test repost is done by www.sgs.com.
they are a world wide reputated neutral test lab.
the report clearly says, that our material does not contain any measurable harmfull dyes, metals, nor phtalates. well, it contains 8mg/kg barium. BUT, the hardest limit (also stated in the report) is 1000mg/kg of Barium. so we are WAY BELOW the strongest restriction out there for household goods, or even children toys.
What regulations and limits are we refering to:
read our test report, and you also get the details of what SGS is referring to, when giving limits. or what they based their test criterias on.
it is very scientific, but well, thats what is is: science. correlated to regulations from US and EU laws.
for example: pg 4 of the report: the refer the german food laws: LFGB § 64 BVL B 82.02.2 and .4
EU DIRECTIVE 2005/84/EC (Toys safety)
page 5 metals: it refers to EN 71 PART 3 (migration of elements (metals) : toys safety): the limits are given there as well as our materials test results.
i have to raise another issue: even if other tents DO NOT kill plants, they might harm the organisms being around it over long term. metals like lead, cadmium, etc, phtalates (softeners) might all migrate over long term. they then accumulate in plants (consumables??), and with that, in humans. so even though your box might not kill plants instantly, it might still poison you over the years. ever heard of lead poisoning, e.g.? worth investigating...
There full explanation along with a link to their test report can be viewed at http://www.homebox.net/dhtml/nopvc.php
This claim that PE is better than PVC seems somewhat supported by information on the Greenpeace site for alternatives to PVC.
http://archive.greenpeace.org/toxics...abase/bad.html
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Why PVC is bad news
Globally, over 50% of PVC manufactured is used in construction, in products such as pipelines, wiring, siding, flooring and wallpaper. As a building material PVC is cheap, easy to install and easy to replace. PVC is replacing ‘traditional’ building materials such as wood, concrete and clay in many areas. Although it appears to be the ideal building material, PVC has high environmental and human health costs that its manufacturers fail to tell consumers.
From its manufacture to its disposal, PVC emits toxic compounds. During the manufacture of the building block ingredients of PVC (such as vinyl chloride monomer) dioxin and other persistent pollutants are emitted into the air, water and land, which present both acute and chronic health hazards. During use, PVC products can leach toxic
additives, for example flooring can release softeners called phthalates. When PVC reaches the end of its useful life, it can be either landfilled, where it leaches toxic additives or incinerated, again emitting dioxin and heavy metals. When PVC burns in accidental fires, hydrogen chloride gas and dioxin are formed.
well did any of that sound like you? let me read a bit more of your thread. late
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Yo Oghee, thanks for the info! I definitely think it could be some sort of off gassing. I also think I have been experiencing root aphids for the past several grows, and am just now getting around to taking care of them. I gave them some bayer shrub and tree (with imidacloprid to kill the aphids) and within a couple days they showed a noticeable difference in color (more green). Hopefully this solved my problem, and if there is offgassing that sucks, and I will have to deal with it til I get some $$$ for a new tent. Thanks for the heads up bro. Peace
