SquekyTuba
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sorry i kind of chopped it in half with tweezers haha but what is this?
sorry i kind of chopped it in half with tweezers haha but what is this?
Symphilids...advice would be nice
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Any references/cites you can provide to support this?
madliberated
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that's not a symphilid. it's not what I saw either, which probably also wasn't a symphilid.
lol.
what you have there is a half a bug.
I doubt he's gonna find anything for you. bt strains are very narrow in scope. the strain that kills caterpillars is not the one that does mosquitoes in. Why would either kill symphilids?
maybe there is a win-win possible, like finding a cordyceps fungus that eats symphilids and leaves behind a marketable product?
SquekyTuba
Member
I think i have a copper deficiancy but why? The seedlings about 2 weeks old why would there be a copper deficiancy?
Mad; is that really you or has someone commandeered yer name?
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Mountain
LOL!
Here's a nice pic of a symphylan (class Symphyla). About 1/8" to 1/4" long. These are funny critters...the better the soil tilth/structure the greater the problem they will be. Tilling your soil in an attempt to reduce their populations/favorable soil enviro also reduces their possible enemies/beneficial predators. Also...
Dunno about the cordyceps thing but seems they are susceptible to fungi. Maybe find the 'right' fungal strain and drench the infected soil? Either way these are strange critters and will attack annuals and perennials, hard to till around those, alike. I really don't think any indoor grower needs to worry about these pests though especially if they are not recycling soil. I offered a hard core organic grower friend into recycling, composting and such the chance to take on some symphylan infected soil and see if his healthy soil would take care of them and he said no.
SquekyTuba
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Do you think this is what was in my soil? Its not the same color but it looks very similar. And can anyone tell me why my plants leaves are curling up?. I cut off 2 leaves that had very brown tips but i can see one leaf is losing its green color and it looks sort of yellow and white at the tipLOL!
Here's a nice pic of a symphylan (class Symphyla). About 1/8" to 1/4" long. These are funny critters...the better the soil tilth/structure the greater the problem they will be. Tilling your soil in an attempt to reduce their populations/favorable soil enviro also reduces their possible enemies/beneficial predators. Also...
Dunno about the cordyceps thing but seems they are susceptible to fungi. Maybe find the 'right' fungal strain and drench the infected soil? Either way these are strange critters and will attack annuals and perennials, hard to till around those, alike. I really don't think any indoor grower needs to worry about these pests though especially if they are not recycling soil. I offered a hard core organic grower friend into recycling, composting and such the chance to take on some symphylan infected soil and see if his healthy soil would take care of them and he said no.
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Mountain
Then probably not a symphylan and maybe just a plain ole centipede? Symphylans are translucent...they spend their entire life cycle under ground.
While I did snag that off of WikiKnowsEverything from what I understand they are pretty much colorless.
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Mountain
You've already got another thread going in the Infirmary section here at IC about this problem. This thread was about symphylans which is not your problem IMO. Good luck on figuring out what's going on with your plants.
SquekyTuba
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no ones helped me n the infirmary. Everyone tells me its overwated but i honestly let it dry out for a week because the pot is big in proportion to the plant. So it is not that i do not think. Copper deficiancy is the only explanation but it makes no sense. My ph is 6.0 i think i might be taking it wrong how do you guys measure the ph of your soil?
madliberated
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lol its me, madliberated.
I'm going to request a little name change or something, in case the old lady gets ideas before i am fully madliberated.
They would be a a bitch at my place. My soil has lots of worms and is gonna be recycled ad nauseam. I am installing a living mulch which seems to be taking.
the thing I saw was light colored but not that light, more like a dire gnat larva. good or bad, it got tobaccozapped.
I'm going to request a little name change or something, in case the old lady gets ideas before i am fully madliberated.
They would be a a bitch at my place. My soil has lots of worms and is gonna be recycled ad nauseam. I am installing a living mulch which seems to be taking.
the thing I saw was light colored but not that light, more like a dire gnat larva. good or bad, it got tobaccozapped.
madliberated
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I would just do an ewc/compost tea or slurry.
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Mountain
I've yet to see a forum canna grower post a legitimate case of symphylans but not saying it hasn't happened. I really think you'd have to go get some infected outdoor soil, if you could find some, and bring into your loop. Not saying it's not possible cause anything is. Outdoors in the ground easier to have problems but still a very remote possibility.
I just don't see they'd be a problem for virtually any canna grower. Tillage really helps and look what happens with soil used for short cycle growing indoors in a recycling program. Predatory mites should be in healthy soil and symphylans can't burrow so end of story really???
Root mites/aphids (phyloxera) are the evil bugs from hell and best I can figure got them from some bagged soil but still scratch my head about that infestation and how I got em. Started from seed with fresh soil/equipment in a new place and...the evil minions still showed up...lol! I did use some native soil but no reason those critters should exist outdoors where I live.
Symphylans are a non-issue IMO.
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Mountain
You let them dry out for a week? Doesn't matter how long it takes. Those big pots with those little sprouts should be light as a feather before you watered again. Even if the pots look dry lots of moisture down below especially in your situation with them little sprouts. It'll take as long as it takes.
Copper deficiency? I think not.
How did you test the pH?
First thought when I saw those pics was...too wet. Don't kill them with kindness.
What soil are you using? Did you put seeds directly into something like Ocean Forest?
I'd take cuts ASAP. If your rooting method is dailed in,you'll get roots in a week. Transplant into a new mix,hit em' with 24 hr. light and the time it takes to let that old soil dry out combined with an ongoing diagnosis of whatever the issue is could be comparable to the new cuts health vs. the sick plants.
organicterra
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I did get rid of them and used Imidacloprid. I was watching that pest issue for about a year on the forums and when I saw what I had nuked em for an experiment and worked. No way was I gonna smoke anything that was treated with Imid. I trashed that grow after the experiment and fortunately moved to a different location soon after so started over.
Those things are CRAZY. My plants looked a little 'off' so upon closer inspection saw some things crawling on the top of the pots and immediately knew what was going on and shouted a few expletives. I tapped the pots and the soil literally started foaming with critters up top and streaming out of the drain holes on the bottom.
As for an organic approach best I can figure is clone them out of existence cleaning up after you as you go along. They are nasty...and spreading through the community. Still scratch my head about how I got em. I can see the possibility of some large scale outdoor growers getting a visit from a friend that was just in an infected grow room, as these critters are HIGHLY mobile, and...ooops.
I just don't see problems with symphylans though for most any grower.
SquekyTuba
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I tested the ph with a digital rapidtest and i just put it in the soil and i get 5.8 or 6. I dont think thats the right way to take it but how should i take it? Im using Freeland potting soil that contains "composted recycled organic materials, forest products, perlite, pure worm castings (RootBooster) and peat moss (to adjust pH and moisture content. Plant directly into the Potting Soil for exceptional results. No additional ingredients are required when planting because the RootBooster will slowly feed your plant and help it get established. Retains a tremendous amount of water for its weight."I thought it was copper because the ends of the leaves are browning but this plant is not too important its just almost an experment before i get my good seeds. I think it is purple kush so i would like to try and save it. And im using 3 3500k cfls(I bought lights when i didnt know too much about lights) Now i have 10 6500k 30 watt cfls and 10 2700k clfs and i am going to grow 12/12 from seed so i will use a mixed spectrum with my next grow. Thanks for your help
I'd put my $ on rove beetles. Ferocious suckas! Even bit me.
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That's one heavy duty predator! Seriously though symphylans are tough to deal with in open agriculture.
You know I was JK about the ignoramus thing
Dude...I got a trial approved for this summer through an ag focused university so I ain't a total dork...lol! I behave well when I need to
. Hope it works out OK cause my day job needs to go.
