MARLO's 2011 WINTER VERTICAL

[Yes_I_Am]

its a mega setup id be soooo proud of that if i was you bro. respect

 

[Marlo]

Just read the whole thread Marlo. Must say EXCELLENT work bro!!! I havnt been on IC for very long, but I must say this is one hell of a vert grow, and with only 2 400's! Very inspirational to say the least.

That lime Sour Bubble pheno is straight fire! Was lucky enough to sample some of PK's, and once again the Sour B has proven why it is on the top of my head stash. Lookin forward to whats to come bro, thanks for the show

Wsup Rick. Thanks homie. Glad u like the show. Its about to get good again!

The lime pheno SB is a mutha fucka. Tasty and potent as fuck. I'm not big on straight indicas, but this is some good shit. The main problem I have with it is, all the lime pheno SB's I've had have been the short stumpy ones. The taller SB's never turn out to be the lime flavor. We'll see what happens with this new one. If I ever find a tall stretchy SB (like this new one) with the lime flavor and potency, I'll be a happy camper.

Loving the wall screens, looks like it will give you more canopy space and better yields. Hope it's not too difficult to work with when that room bushes out... I'm sure you will handle it... Nice.

I'm liking it to so far. I think its gonna make things roomier, which will be a good thing imo. Takin em in and out will get kinda difficult by week 5ish. Hopefully by then I'll have all the trimming under control. We'll see. Should be fun either way

Nice looking set up. has me thinking cause I'm in devolopment right now maybe some thing like this would work for me. Just wondering If the pipe cleaners in the s shape will be strong enuff once you get some of those huge ass budz I've seen from you so far. They might not be strong enuff to hold them up. Just a thought, looking sweet Marlo.

Wsup Mantizz...The red pipe cleaner in the pic is a poor example. It just looked cool for the pic. I usually wrap one end around a branch or stem and put a twist in it. The other end of the pipe cleaner is bent into a hook. Fasten it to whatever angle you like. Works like a charm. There is metal inside these fuzzy lil babies. They're not going anywhere. Removing em is as easy as pulling off the end with the hook.

its a mega setup id be soooo proud of that if i was you bro. respect

Yes, I am. Thanks!

 

[laughingmoon]

Marlo, can you tell me what to look for in the lime pheno?

 

[Marlo]

Pretty easy to find imo. Slow vegger, really short, finishes in 60 days or less. Reminds me of a can of sprite when you stick your nose in the jar.

Have you ever checked out Pheonix's SB thread? That dude has probly grown more SB than BOG himself! Tons of info in there. Anything SB related is definitely covered in that thread.

 

[laughingmoon]

Pretty easy to find imo. Slow vegger, really short, finishes in 60 days or less. Reminds me of a can of sprite when you stick your nose in the jar.

Have you ever checked out Pheonix's SB thread? That dude has probly grown more SB than BOG himself! Tons of info in there. Anything SB related is definitely covered in that thread.

Oh most certainly. He's a nice dude with a passion and tons of BOG experience, looking forward to what he comes out with over the next couple of years.

I've got 3 SB sprouts right now, and I've flowered out one SB before which had a more coffee smell and med. veg. Hoping to find lime, as well as a nice male for pollen chucking. Wishful thinking!

 

[Marlo]

I went in there this morning to check on the stretch and look around. The only place I forsee any issues is with the 2 SB's in the back. They are pretty big and probably won't be coming out too often. I think I am going to have to do all the trimming on them alot earlier than I'm used to, or it won't get done at all. I'm going to strip the backs of them and alot of the lower growth in the next cpl days.

I was able to adjust all the branches in the room with no problems getting to any of them. I added about a dozen or so anchors in various places. This shit is easy as pie so far. Definitely my best looking canopy to date. I haven't removed a single fan leaf yet, but the room doesn't seem overcrowded at all. Gonna be interesting to see how well the stretch fills in the room.

At this rate, my screens will probably be on ebay in a week....

 

[Phillthy]

love the fencing idea. cant wait to see these ladies put out!

 

[Marlo]

Wsup Phillthy. I'm diggin it too. This shit is easy as pie bro.

I watered the plants today and only had to remove the one plant in front of the door (not pictured), and the 1st fan. Propped up the 1st 4oo on an extra hook mounted on the ceiling, and I was able to reach every single plant with only 1 foot in the grow room. There is alot more room in there without all that pvc around. I had to take out 3 screen every time I watered, and it was still kinda tight.

There are some huge fan leaves in there, which is normally not the case either. But with all the clearance in the middle, I saw no reason to remove em. They would've been growing into the lights by now in the old setup. I'll probably let them stay til the stretch is over.
Lots of headroom, lots of stretch to come.......





DAY 9

 

[bobblehead]

100% better. I love it Marlo. It's gonna be so much easier training the plants like this...

 

[laylow]

 

[MyGreenToe]

Lovin the improvements bro! I just made the switch to air pots too. What can I say? They fuckin rock! Now we just need to convince you to set up some blumats, and you can end the hand watering forever...

 

[organicsquirrel]

I was just thinking about setting up a screen for my vert and the biggest thing that bugged me was that the frame/screen is going to cut down on light. I guess the screen from behind may be better for vertical. I'm glad you came up with this before I got to making my screens!

If I implement something similar I will just make screens like what you made, but that are positioned behind the plants, such that I can move individual plants. With the lazy susan it's easy to reach them all, wouldn't want to anchor them to the wall (defeats the purpose). Possibly this might extend to your situation? I guess for you the space taken up by them was a pretty big factor (your horizontal space is tighter) and moving them during rounds.

If you ever get tired of watering I find drip systems are really easy to set up and I've been running mine for a few weeks manually (I plug in the pump and watch it for a while and then unplug it) to get a feel for it. It's a lot like watering I guess but you don't have to move any plants to do it.

Gonna close this with 2 q's, 1) Air pots vs smart pots initial thoughts, and 2) What are your thoughts about the optimal light height (also do you move the lights when you take pics)?

I had my light lower initially, but I seem to be raising it up some to encourage the plants to grow up. I hate how they don't seem to be as perky (?) vs horizontal growing, but man are they bushy.

 

[Marlo]

you too.....

100% better. I love it Marlo. It's gonna be so much easier training the plants like this...

Exactly

Lovin the improvements bro! I just made the switch to air pots too. What can I say? They fuckin rock! Now we just need to convince you to set up some blumats, and you can end the hand watering forever...

I have 2 dozen blumats sitting in a drawer. I may go back to them one day. I'm cool with the hand watering for now. But these airpots are the shit. Period.

Gonna close this with 2 q's, 1) Air pots vs smart pots initial thoughts, and 2) What are your thoughts about the optimal light height (also do you move the lights when you take pics)?

Wsup squirrel
I like the airpots so far. The smart pot isn't bad, I just prefer the height of the airpot vs the shorter smartpot. And the airpot is alot more durable. I guess alot will be told after harvest and I can take a look at the roots. But these airpots are paid for, so they're staying.

Right now I leave my lights a bit higher than the plants to get em to stretch up, instead of out. The base of the light (top since they're upside down) will end up a few inches below the top of the plants when the stretch is over. Alot of the lower growth will be stripped for clones in a cpl days. I'll try to concentrate on a 28-36" canopy runnin up the walls. That's the plan at least.

 

[DHF]

I tried some airpots when they first came out , and as said they`re durable as Hell , but....in my nicest way possible to explain this......

The Smartpot rootzone`s breathe better , dry out faster , perform rootzone explosion more readily , but require more juice to optimize plant production over the course of the plant`s cycle start to finish IME....and then the airpots......

They`re plastic as in ALL nursery containers , but with cone`s and holes in the end of the cones that supposedly air prune the rootmasse`s and prevent "root spinning" like smartpots do that steals plant energy best spent creating upper plant foliage/budsites , but I didn`t see that with the smaller 1`s I was gifted to try out.....

Not saying they don`t work with the bigger 1`s that use more medium that I never tried......Only what I noticed from the SP`s doin their job , and the airpots didn`t perform as well in my setups.....

Smartpots air-prune roots , prevent "root spinning" that occurs in plastic pots , and I definitely saw increases in vegetation and budsite formation from the beginning ......

Airpots are taller , cost more and prolly last longer , but I ran smartpots for over 3 yrs , soaked em in pond zymes ta break down /eliminate dead tissue between runs , and re-used em every other run for long time with 512 plants runnin at all times .....

No spam over here , just personal first hand on-da-job trainin guys.....

Marlo....Respect.....

Hope I`m not imposing......DHF..........

 

[Dicomaco]

I was just thinking about setting up a screen for my vert and the biggest thing that bugged me was that the frame/screen is going to cut down on light. I guess the screen from behind may be better for vertical. I'm glad you came up with this before I got to making my screens!

If I implement something similar I will just make screens like what you made, but that are positioned behind the plants, such that I can move individual plants. With the lazy susan it's easy to reach them all, wouldn't want to anchor them to the wall (defeats the purpose). Possibly this might extend to your situation? I guess for you the space taken up by them was a pretty big factor (your horizontal space is tighter) and moving them during rounds.

I guess great minds do think a like hehe
I've been debating this exact thing in my head the last couple of days.
I was originally going to do exactly as Marlo's previous setup with the nets, but now, especially after reading the last couple of pages, I will still go for the frame, but think I will turn it around too. I think our setup is going to be very similar, if I understood you correct.

I'm going to run 2x600w, so tbh I dunno if light penetration is going to be a problem, but I guess anything that blocks light = bad

Anyways I'm working overtime these days, but my project kicks off this Saturday.

Are you starting a journal too organicsquirrel?

 

[Dicomaco]

Btw congrats on the harvest & new setup Marlo! 0.6 aint bad at all if yield isn't first priority!

My journal kicks off this weekend, I hope you will have time to chime in now and then. It hasn't been updated recently because I've been busy making all the preparations.

Btw what do you think of the idea of making your old frames just turning them opposite? Should work out a charm, no?

 

[b00m]

Looking great marlo and congrats on the last harvest too

 

[Marlo]

Looking great marlo and congrats on the last harvest too

Thanks b00m!

I tried some airpots when they first came out , and as said they`re durable as Hell , but....in my nicest way possible to explain this......

The Smartpot rootzone`s breathe better , dry out faster , perform rootzone explosion more readily , but require more juice to optimize plant production over the course of the plant`s cycle start to finish IME....and then the airpots......

They`re plastic as in ALL nursery containers , but with cone`s and holes in the end of the cones that supposedly air prune the rootmasse`s and prevent "root spinning" like smartpots do that steals plant energy best spent creating upper plant foliage/budsites , but I didn`t see that with the smaller 1`s I was gifted to try out.....

Not saying they don`t work with the bigger 1`s that use more medium that I never tried......Only what I noticed from the SP`s doin their job , and the airpots didn`t perform as well in my setups.....

Smartpots air-prune roots , prevent "root spinning" that occurs in plastic pots , and I definitely saw increases in vegetation and budsite formation from the beginning ......

Airpots are taller , cost more and prolly last longer , but I ran smartpots for over 3 yrs , soaked em in pond zymes ta break down /eliminate dead tissue between runs , and re-used em every other run for long time with 512 plants runnin at all times .....

No spam over here , just personal first hand on-da-job trainin guys.....

Wsup bro. I've only been using em a month or less, and I do notice some of the same things you mentioned. I agree, the smartpots do seem to breathe more, which causes em to dry out faster. Logic would lead me to think the roots will develop faster as well. Feeding with the smartpot is more frequent. This is probably better for ppl runnin ebb n flow, drip, blumats, etc... I'm used to watering every 2-3 days, and the airpots fit right into my normal habits.

I have some of the small airpots alsowith some clones in them. (<1 liter i think) The plants have not exploded out of them like they did in the 5 liter, but they are under T5's. I'll see how they look at the next transplant. I mainly got these to replace my beer cups, so they'll get used next time I pop some seeds.

I only have one smart pot, so my experience with them is minimal. The difference in construction is a big one for me tho. The seam is already showing signs of wear, I've had it for almost 2 months. I don't think it will make it thru a 2nd run before I'd have to re-stitch it. Handles would be nice too.
The smartpot also sits directly on the floor, which is not good for me either. I have pond liner on my floor that allows me to water freely until runoff. Even tho its only a shallow puddle, the smart pot sits in it. Its porous material will be constantly soaking in it too. I only start using the shop vac in late flower.

The airpot is built very well. They dont have handles, but I can easily grab the 1.5 gal by the lip and pick it right up. I like the taller leaner profile vs the short n fat profile of the smartpot.
The bottom of the airpot also has a 2" clearance, that brings in air and keeps my ladies out of the runoff.

I didn't have any experience with either before I made my choice. Both had great reviews. In the end, when thinking about buying something I'll be reusing for years, I felt more comfortable spending money on a plastic pot vs a fabric bag. Both great choices imo. Like you said, first hand experience is real evidence. I'll know more as i continue to use em.

Thanks for your insight bro

Btw congrats on the harvest & new setup Marlo! 0.6 aint bad at all if yield isn't first priority!

My journal kicks off this weekend, I hope you will have time to chime in now and then. It hasn't been updated recently because I've been busy making all the preparations.

Btw what do you think of the idea of making your old frames just turning them opposite? Should work out a charm, no?

I'll definitely be taggin ur thread bro. Good luck!
I think the screens are a thing of the past. The room looks alot cleaner and has more space now. But it's still early....time will tell.

 

[koyote]

Marlo setup looks killer! Just checkin your get down out has me in the garage choppin & screwin already.Im sure ill learn alot from yours.Respect

 

[StealthDragon]

lookin great as always Marlo. I can't wait to see how this one turns out.