Psychedelic trippy heart racing sativa?

[inquest]

What's up Oldhaole? I've heard Hawaiian is some real nice stuff, too! I would imagine with the volcanic soil, it would taste amazing as well! All the great, well respected wine regions are volcanic.

I had read a while back, I believe in Di Wee Dalats thread, that some sativa growers have noticed flushes of potency happening in between the flushes of new flowers that sat's often produce. The theory is that the new flowers dilute the density of older more mature/potent flowers. Have you noticed any such phenomenon?

 

[crunkyeah]

@Oldhaole - I'm sure the sativa based strains there are just as you say, the only problem is like you said.. those genetics don't easily reach the mainland. I've tried sprouting seeds of the fabled Maui Waui but they didn't even germ for me. I don't know if it was the breeder or old stock that did it, but a couple of other more 'fresh' seeds started at the same time flourished and had no problems whatsoever. But the MW just didn't seem to do anything, the seed husk would crack and then they just didn't do anything. I think for now I'm just going to look into high elevation strains, as those strains are exposed to more UV.

Granted, if I had the opportunity to grow out some Hawaiian sativas I surely would, but those genetics aren't available to me so I have to pass them up. Also, most of the time any strains with Hawaiin genetics are hybrids that include indica genetics and I'd rather not go there.

I know it's totally unrelated, but I've heard that there is such a thing had a Hawaiian indica. Know anything about that?

@inquest - I've heard the same thing from a couple of growers I know that have grown out a couple hazes. I was curious if this was the case too. I don't see why the older flowers would just lose the thc content or potency but I haven't really had the luxury of a fine sativa so I wouldn't know. Hopefully someone can shed some light on this.

 

[RaNgEr RiCk]

I know this is in the Ace thread, but I was looking at getting my hand on some Hawaiian Snow seeds from Greenhouse. Even though ive heard some bad things about the company, I would still really like to try this strain.

https://www.seedboutique.com/Produc...enhouse-Seeds-feminized-Hawaiian-Snow&Type=PD

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

@Oldhaole - I'm sure the sativa based strains there are just as you say, the only problem is like you said.. those genetics don't easily reach the mainland. I've tried sprouting seeds of the fabled Maui Waui but they didn't even germ for me. I don't know if it was the breeder or old stock that did it, but a couple of other more 'fresh' seeds started at the same time flourished and had no problems whatsoever. But the MW just didn't seem to do anything, the seed husk would crack and then they just didn't do anything. I think for now I'm just going to look into high elevation strains, as those strains are exposed to more UV.

Granted, if I had the opportunity to grow out some Hawaiian sativas I surely would, but those genetics aren't available to me so I have to pass them up. Also, most of the time any strains with Hawaiin genetics are hybrids that include indica genetics and I'd rather not go there.

I know it's totally unrelated, but I've heard that there is such a thing had a Hawaiian indica. Know anything about that?

I have had the same issue. My girl's mom went to maui and drove out to an actually secluded area. She said it took her quite a long time to drive there and it was a windy road, but when she got there she was about to score enough weed for a full joint and got a roach as well tossed in with it. It cost her $50! She got 6 seeds from it though. I recently tried popping them and only 1 germed, but had slow growth and didnt do anything after the tap root I was looking foward to a tasty trippy sativa too!

 

[oldhaole]

Ranger...You're right. This is an Ace thread....and I'm about to hijack it. Big time.

As we say here....No can. Dat poho. Poho = all f**ked up.

I'm going to start another thread titled Hawaiian Sativas. I will be happy to answer your questions there.

 

[thighrod]

A big hit of BHO from pretty much any sativa will propel many to temporarily leave this planet.

 

[inquest]

@Oldhaole, Sweet bro! I'll be watchin that thread for sure!! Where in the forums do you plan to put it?

@Crunk, It's not that the mature flowers lose potency, it's that the new not-as-potent flowers are in the mix. Kinda like if you were to mix in your trim/fan leaves with your buds, the overall potency would be somewhere between the two. And Hawaii would be one of those high UV-b locales.

 

[crunkyeah]

@thighrod - What does BHO mean? Pardon my ignorance but I haven't seen that before.

@inquest - I do agree they probably get more UV-B than a strain grown outdoors here, but I have to question whether they get more UV-B that a high elevation strain. Hawaii is at sea level. High elevation strains are (I'm guessing here) 3000 feet and above. Because of the way we receive UV from the sun, higher elevation strains should have more UV exposure because the UV rays don't have to travel as far to get to the plants(they have less obstructing their path). It is my belief that UV-B and THC-V has some correlation to each other. While Hawaiian sativas do sound pretty grand(I've ALWAYS wanted to try one since I started smoking), I think for the most psychedelic, trippy, narcotic sativas that high elevation strains are more tailored to what I'm looking for.

 

[Rinse]

Hey crunkyeah, IMO high elevation is not essential to 'delic weed, although it helps.
More to the point, will you be growing the weed at a high elevation?

Ive smoked plenty of seriously strong sativa that has been grown lowland - as long as there is strong enough sunlight to fully activate the resin!

My thought being that full spectrum sunlight = full spectrum cannabinoids.

THC-V is interesting but somewhat of an anomoly to me, too many mixed reports, I THINK but dont quote me, that sam skunkman said its not all its hyped up to be and is weak.

Good luck in your search mate.

 

[Lean Green]

Heart racing paranoia is possible with the Green Haze x Panama from ACE. I saw it cause a dude to go to the hospital with a panic attack. His pulse was 140 bpm. Freaked him the fuck out!
Also, I'm with the poster who mentioned concentrates. I like to smoke Khmer Gold or GH xP concentrate when I need a speedy effect. The KG oil is a cleaner speedy high while the GHxP extract is total obliteration!
Good luck in your quest, I'd look to the Green Haze x Thai if I was you.

 

[crunkyeah]

@Rinse - No I do not have the luxury of being able to grow outdoors. I'm stuck with having limited space and resources, for now. I was thinking about going with the CMH route, as that seems a lot more 'natural' than HPS. I do agree the best option is using the light that they're used to, but I don't have that luxury so I'll have to 'make do'.

@Lean Green - Thank you so much for that bit of information! That's exactly the kind of high I'm looking for. I've heard good reports from the Green haze x Thai but this definitely tips the scale. I know it's a bit offtopic, but would you mind explaining the concentrates for me? I honestly really have no experience in that department. Is it like hash or something completely different?

 

[inquest]

BHO is Butane honey oil, where by using butane you desolve the resins then allow the butane to evaporate, leaving behind a concentrated solution. Do this away from an ignition source!!!

The higher elevation is more a thinning the atmosphere thing vs a closer to the sun thing. Same goal though, higher uv-b. Highest point on Hawaii is 13,600ft and has an amazing telescope I'd love to visit one of these days! Hawaii is also at 20deg North meaning the suns rays are not being spread out as much as higher latitudes. Latitude 0deg vs 45deg is 1 vs 1/2 strength due to the angle of incidence of the sun. These two things add up here as elsewhere in the world to mean "bring some good sunscreen!" lol

I'm right with ya on not being able to grow outdoors as well as limited space. I think your CMH idea is a very good one! Much better than HPS. Spurr and others here are expirementing with UV-b reptile lights. I'd love to try them but to only ones that can hit 100-250 microwatts per meter squared are mercury vapor and throw too much heat for my set up..... :/ It seems there's no free lunch yet again! lol

Good luck on your quest!

 

[crunkyeah]

Huh, very interesting! I've seen those mercury vapor lights being used as well, although I haven't been able to tell first hand if it has any effect or not. Pictures can only portray so much unfortunately. To my knowledge they also produce a CFL reptile light, I've seen those used as well but same deal. Can't really tell how useful they are.

The thing that really confuses me is that UV-B is 290-320nm, and most graphs for any type of lighting only go down to about 400nm. So that leaves the 'sweet spot' completely unknown. I'll have to do some more digging to see what I can find as far as those lights and specific wavelengths go.

I found a breeder that crossed Ace's Golden Tiger to Ace's PCK, I think that's going to be the strain I shoot for. You have all the wonderful genetics there, as well as a beefy stem, good resin production, and a variety of flowering times. They're also sold in packs of 20 so there's a good chance I can find a keeper the first try!

I'm thinking about growing a few select mother plants, taking clones and doing a small SOG style vertical grow with x2 250w CMH stacked on top of each other. Maybe if heat allows I'll throw up a couple of those CFL reptile bulbs on top or around the sides somewhere to see if that has any affect on things. Anyone think this is plausible?

 

[SOTF420]

If Ace has any Malawi that would be a good place to look for this effect

 

[crunkyeah]

I am looking for the Malawi, both on the Bay and the 'Bou; nothing. I'll be keeping my eyes peeled for sure.

 

[SOTF420]

Strong stuff I had some some Malawi cob years back and it was way too strong it is said to be high in THCV. It was like smoking some psychedelic not like regular Cannabis at all.

 

[Rinse]

Golden Tiger x PCK sounds like the one, will not get too big indoors, the PCK may mellow the gt out a bit though...

Ace Malawi has plenty of THC-V.
Try email ace seeds and ask if they have any pure malawi.

 

[crunkyeah]

From what I understand there should be some packs of Malawi fem available on Seedbay, they just haven't been listed yet.

Let me ask ya this, the listing for GT x PCK says that the phenotype used was the Malawi pheno, dense spinning, psychedelic high. It also says that the PCK used was a resin soaked 9 week plant that showed signs of purple. Obviously this cross is a 50/50 sat/ind. Now, out of all the seeds that sprout, what are the odds out of 10 females that 1 of them would be sativa leaning and also have this same narcotic type high? I would logically think that 50% would be PCK leaning and 50% would be Malawi leaning, so maybe 3 or 4 girls(out of 20 seeds) would be the kind of high I'm looking for? Does that sound about right?

I am still really going for that Malawi fem on Seedbay though once it gets listed. Still curious about this GTxPCK cross as that would help bring down flowering times. I haven't really flowered out a real sativa yet, so the 10~ish weeks of flowering seems appealing before I get into the 16-20 week strains.

 

[wiseone]

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[Rinse]

I have no idea, the f1's could go either way...It sounds like they would all kick ass, but if you want guaranteed malawi then...It will be worth the wait, at least indoors you dont have to worry about shite weather...