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it should be distributed inside unrolled condoms, like a spent load...
jizzle
it should be distributed inside unrolled condoms, like a spent load...
Worthy males are rare, there is a big difference in a male that is good enough to make beans for you and your friends to grow and enjoy, and world quality genetic material. Then you can count on complaints cause somebodies beans weren't any good, regardless of their skill set.
Sam87
Member
Yup, the males are the hard work. It's like Coke selling their secret recipe to the masses: Once you do, there's no more money to be made.
Anybody can find great keeper females. A good, true breeding, world class male is a a completely different beast. Building a stable of them is a lifetime of work, and no one is about to give that up.
Anybody can find great keeper females. A good, true breeding, world class male is a a completely different beast. Building a stable of them is a lifetime of work, and no one is about to give that up.
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Milhouse
I agree with it being the "secret recipe" but if someone found a "holy grail" male, it seems that they could also make a healthy amount of money selling pollen while running a grow room of males!!! That would be crazy! It would be like Coke releasing the recipe to the masses but they are the only supplier of the key ingredients so you can make their great product but you have to buy the ingredients from them!
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Mountain
What's a 'holy grail' male? I mean does he turn any fem into something great? Is he dominant or recessive in crosses? Does he add structure, yield, resin production, potency??? Who is he?
A Skunk #1 male kept by Sensi Seeds; shared to Greenhouse, MSN, and a few other seed banks; is still considered to be the thoroughbred male , which breeds 'true' in lineage.
i.e. when crossed the display in lineage is 25% Skunk #1 Dominant , 50% half half hybrids, and 25% Skunk #1 Recessive plants.
Hope this helps
i.e. when crossed the display in lineage is 25% Skunk #1 Dominant , 50% half half hybrids, and 25% Skunk #1 Recessive plants.
Hope this helps
well, if they sell you ten 10 seeds, 5 of em could easily produce pollen?
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Milhouse
A Holy Grail male depends on the individual breeder! I do think a HG male characteristic is that the most positive attributes from that strain are passed to the offspring. If I was looking for a c99 male, I would want it to pass along its short flowering time, aroma, potency but not necessarily the plant structure (weak, floppy stems) and yield. I havent grown alot of c99 and the yield wasnt bad but if I had a C99 male, the yield would not be my biggest concern, would leave that to the female in the cross.
That is very interesting Docleaf!!
I am sure in the not too distant future, there will be pollen sellers in the marketplace. Like Hundred Gram Oz said earlier, people are already selling it, just not openly.
There is definitely a market for this product, i think a HUGE market!! I feel there are alot of people out there that would like to make their own crosses and do not want to take the time to grow out a male, pollinate females, grow those seeds out, just to possibly be disappointed in the overall cross. There are tons of people on this site with standout mothers they keep in their garden! Why wouldnt anyone want to cross that mother to a standout male at some point!!
Anyways, sorry for the longwinded response, thought it was a good topic up for discussion.
That is very interesting Docleaf!!
I am sure in the not too distant future, there will be pollen sellers in the marketplace. Like Hundred Gram Oz said earlier, people are already selling it, just not openly.
There is definitely a market for this product, i think a HUGE market!! I feel there are alot of people out there that would like to make their own crosses and do not want to take the time to grow out a male, pollinate females, grow those seeds out, just to possibly be disappointed in the overall cross. There are tons of people on this site with standout mothers they keep in their garden! Why wouldnt anyone want to cross that mother to a standout male at some point!!
Anyways, sorry for the longwinded response, thought it was a good topic up for discussion.
I think when it comes down to it those who wish to take on the tasks of breeding, and pollen chucking are few and far between. I bet 85% of customers are interested in only one thing and that's buying the seeds that produce primo smoke..
The majority of Breeders want to protect their profits. They want to sell you a product, but not the tools needed to make that product. IMO the same reason why some of the larger companies are now pumping out ALL female seeds. you want more, you buy more $eed..
The majority of Breeders want to protect their profits. They want to sell you a product, but not the tools needed to make that product. IMO the same reason why some of the larger companies are now pumping out ALL female seeds. you want more, you buy more $eed..
Booyah!
Active member
I think selling the pollen would protect the breeder's profits since they know that the pollen can only make a certain amount of seeds. Just treat it like a food product, send it in insulated packaging...maybe even dry ice like the mail order meat industry uses. If anything it would give the breeder a bit more credibility once people understand that he/she's got killer male/males. If you opened a pollen bank you'd definately have a monopoly on the market
Booyah!
Active member
Besides the market is changing. Breeders are realizing that they can actually sell their breeding stock and benefit from the synergistic relationship between not just the home grower's but also the home hobby breeding market. Even when the breeding stock is sold, people will still put their faith in the breeders crosses since they usually have more experience with the lines. Just look at the new interest in landrace lines. People want building blocks.
I would think that pollen would be just as legal as seeds
I would think that pollen would be just as legal as seeds
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Milhouse
See that is what I thought also Booyah!! I understand they want to protect their profits, totally cool with me. BUT with what some people are paying (including myself) for high end seeds, I dont see people blinking an eye at high costs for the high end pollen.
People keep talking about the viability, that would come into play as a differentiator of diff companies. Obviously there would be shady companies trying to take advantage of a new market! There are those types in every industry. But the honest, reputable breeders would be there too! I am sure after some tinkering and brainstorming, there are some real smart people that could figure out the shipping issue. Where there is profit to be made, there is innovation.
Another benefit is that once a male is found by a breeder, they never have to make seeds! That is weeks, if not months saved in production and also speeds up turn around time in grow rooms. I definitely think someone will be taking advantage of this void in the market soon.
For me, I wouldnt think twice about paying $100+ for a vial of pollen (doesnt even have to be much). That would be worth it for me in order to not have to grow out and keep a male in my small grow room. Take that $100+ per customer and think of how much pollen a HUGE male could create! Just take a look at some of DG's male pics in her albums. You cant tell me that there isnt money in this niche of the market also!!
People keep talking about the viability, that would come into play as a differentiator of diff companies. Obviously there would be shady companies trying to take advantage of a new market! There are those types in every industry. But the honest, reputable breeders would be there too! I am sure after some tinkering and brainstorming, there are some real smart people that could figure out the shipping issue. Where there is profit to be made, there is innovation.
Another benefit is that once a male is found by a breeder, they never have to make seeds! That is weeks, if not months saved in production and also speeds up turn around time in grow rooms. I definitely think someone will be taking advantage of this void in the market soon.
For me, I wouldnt think twice about paying $100+ for a vial of pollen (doesnt even have to be much). That would be worth it for me in order to not have to grow out and keep a male in my small grow room. Take that $100+ per customer and think of how much pollen a HUGE male could create! Just take a look at some of DG's male pics in her albums. You cant tell me that there isnt money in this niche of the market also!!
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wiseone
You got that right. For customs to find seeds is one thing and is usually never given a second glance after being confiscated.
But I wouldn't want to be there if they found some rouge powder in a envelope. Or be at the address it was supposed to be delivered to.
Can you say hazmat suits and feds out the wazoo when they approach? esp. post 9/11
Grimr3efer
Member
Great thread... I have an idea on shipping pollen. You could ship them in gel capsules that med makers use. One gel cap could easily pollinate 1 branch and might reuse on another. Just an idea but I like it... 
420inprogress
Member
Would you be buying pollen of a p1 plant, f1 plant, f2 plant, f3 plant, ibl, etc?
How would you know?
How would you know?
Yea, if the ratios of a STUD offspring is something like 25% 50% 25%...
how many plants would you have to pollinate and grow out before you realized you were ripped off with some whack pollen?
People complain enough as it is about the seeds they get.
how many plants would you have to pollinate and grow out before you realized you were ripped off with some whack pollen?
People complain enough as it is about the seeds they get.
