Mini trees n flip flop idea...

[~Shhh~]

I don't frequent this section to often so if this has been covered already then excuse me...

Plant numbers are fast becoming an issue in my part of the world so I've hung up my SOG gloves and am looking into mini trees. After reading the legend Heath Robinson's tree/ RDWC grows along with a few others I see there are many ways to skin the proverbial cat when it comes to larger plants vertically.

I'm wondering if I can run a system like the one so eloquently detailed below lol.....

X = Plant. 0 = Light


..........0...............0.............
.......X......X......X.....X..........
....................0....................
.......X.......X......X.....X.........
..........0................0............

Plants would be feed via simple drip feed system, using coco chow/ perlite mix. You guys think I could squeeze this into a 2.4m x 2m tent with the correct cooling/ extraction? It's one of those tents that opens all the way round so access wont be an issue and I plan to use cages or similar to be able to remove individual plants for pruning etc.

From what I read the bulbs needs to be 30cm (1ft) away from the plant. So in an 2.4m(8ft) long tent if the bulb is like 0.5M away from tent on each side and the plants get no wider than 2ft in any direction all should be well? Or no??

What I'd like to try in bloom as electrical use is also an issue, is to use a flip flop to run the outside 2 lights every 2 hours then switch those off, and run the opposite outer pair 2 hours and so on and so forth. So I'd only be using a total of 1800w at once but getting possibly get the benefit of 3000w?

So what do you guys think can this system work in this space? Will the flip flop be a waste of time? If not do the intervals need to be shorter/ longer to make it more efficient? What size container would you shoot for......

Any help or advice you can give to make the transition from sogger to mini tree hugger, lmfao, easier would be much appreciated....

A reminder of I gotta leave behind

 

[~Shhh~]

35 views and no comments? Common guys... Is the idea that bad? lol

 

[DHF]

Was gettin to it Bro....I get bombed with pm`s daily , so after I saw the thread last night , I was pondering the situation in such small quarters using so much light.........

If yas were in a square 6 x 6 , the plant placement would be 3 containers in each "V" for a total of 12 plants using the 1800 watts continuously for 50 watts per sq ft , but in a rectangle it presents the problem of 8 plants growin into each other and competing for light and environment if grown too big before flip and end of stretch.......

It`s all strain dependent though .....It`s possible yas could grow more hybrid type plants that don`t bush sideways as much with bare bulbs hangin , and stretch straight up as they grow out ftw......but.....

With more indica dominant varieties that don`t stretch much but rather grow sideways into each other , yas could run into problems and not be optimizing all those lumens since they couldn`t be dropped down amongst the plants as needed in such a small area till end of cycle........

Good luck Bro....DHF.........

 

[ratdawgie]

Something I have been considering re: VERTICAL is how few bulbs does it take to cover a given number of plants with a full coverage on all sides... for example: 7 BULBS; 6 PLANTS each has 3 bulbs surrounding it... just a thought....gonna run a tub w 6 small plants w 1 down center and 6 others surrounding. Adjust bulb and distance to size of area and bulb intensity,

X X
O
O O
X X X
O O
O
X X

 

[ratdawgie]

Doh....spacing screwed up on the post
really challenged at computer formatting
picture: 6 plants in a circle evenly spaced. 1 bulb in middle and 6 bulbs around such that each plant is surrounded by a triangle of bulbs: 6 plants.. 7 bulbs

 

[ratdawgie]

7 lites six plants ea all side coverage

7 lites six plants ea all side coverage

Heres a paint...hope this works...sigh

 

[~Shhh~]

Hey DHF, cheers for replying... sorry to be a bug lol, I concede I'm a lil impatient sometimes, damn idea was naggin at me :/

I get what your saying there, seems the 6'x6' would make it easier lighting up everything with adequate lumens. Strain wise I'm not sure what I will be running and whatever I do choose will need to not bush outward to much for the reasons you highlight, guess THAT'LL BE TRIAL AND ERROR SOMEWHAT - fookin caps lock!

In light of the spacind issue in a rectangle running set up above, would be better to stack 2 x 600's on top of each other and have 1 more 600 in between the 2 stacks like below because of the rectangular shape?

........X....X............X....X.....
......X...0...X...0...X...0...X....
........X....X...........X....X......

Then have the lights flip so the bottom light on left set of plants is on, light in middle of plants is on and top light on right set of plants then flip back so only outer 2 sets of lights flip flop while middle runs continuously if that makes sense... I figure plants near walls will receive a decent amount of reflected light and middle light will help a lot with the rest....

What say you bro? Better than 1st idea?

Ratdawgie, that set up would grow some huge beasts! I don't have the space to try anything that large but I'd like to see it done!

 

[ratdawgie]

6n7

6n7

LOL... thinking much smaller scale I guess... was going with 7 42w cfl's in a much micro-er setting... lol

Sry,,,I admit I actually use what I produce... causing some side effects... if I remember correctly...lol... does that make it a craft instead of an art?

Peace. Grow some monsters!

 

[Hydrosun]

I don't frequent this section to often so if this has been covered already then excuse me...

Plant numbers are fast becoming an issue in my part of the world so I've hung up my SOG gloves and am looking into mini trees. After reading the legend Heath Robinson's tree/ RDWC grows along with a few others I see there are many ways to skin the proverbial cat when it comes to larger plants vertically.

I'm wondering if I can run a system like the one so eloquently detailed below lol.....

X = Plant. 0 = Light


..........0...............0.............
.......X......X......X.....X..........
....................0....................
.......X.......X......X.....X.........
..........0................0............

Plants would be feed via simple drip feed system, using coco chow/ perlite mix. You guys think I could squeeze this into a 2.4m x 2m tent with the correct cooling/ extraction? It's one of those tents that opens all the way round so access wont be an issue and I plan to use cages or similar to be able to remove individual plants for pruning etc.

From what I read the bulbs needs to be 30cm (1ft) away from the plant. So in an 2.4m(8ft) long tent if the bulb is like 0.5M away from tent on each side and the plants get no wider than 2ft in any direction all should be well? Or no??

What I'd like to try in bloom as electrical use is also an issue, is to use a flip flop to run the outside 2 lights every 2 hours then switch those off, and run the opposite outer pair 2 hours and so on and so forth. So I'd only be using a total of 1800w at once but getting possibly get the benefit of 3000w?

So what do you guys think can this system work in this space? Will the flip flop be a waste of time? If not do the intervals need to be shorter/ longer to make it more efficient? What size container would you shoot for......

Any help or advice you can give to make the transition from sogger to mini tree hugger, lmfao, easier would be much appreciated....

A reminder of I gotta leave behind

I like this better

..........0...............0.............
...............X......X.................
....................0....................
................X......X................
..........0................0............

If you are talking about an 8'x8' area it is nice to have at least 3' diameter on trees. I bet you can get two lb plants for a total of 8lbs running 1800w - 3000w.

I'm a dwc bucket guy so can't really comment on coco.

If you are interested in the stacked bulbs please check out this thread.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=197502

 

[drymouth]

what it do... yo check my link in my sig I'm checkerboarding 8 lights with only 2 ballasts! I think it might help in your case as you stated electrical was an issue! and it flips every bulb to your time regimen every 2 hr, or every 3hr and so forth. I wouldn't do every hour as the bulbs may not have enough time inbetween switching to cool down.

 

[~Shhh~]

Lol ratdawgie I use it too!! just a lot more than you it seems with cfl's you do very well with that set up I'm sure bro.

Hydrosun, cheers that thread is what made me think about the stacked 6's as well as a few grows Heath Robinson done. The thing with 4 plants is less chance of hitting target if one doesn't do so well or has issues, and the longer veg period. Ideally I'd like to stay under 10, 9 max but can probably do 12 if needs be.

I make you right though in that the yield would be better than running 1800w alone. It's surely the way forward... I seen a grow a while back on OG that done this and he yielded good and so does Heath.

drymouth, just the thread I needed!! Cheers mate... I'll be along shortly to have a read.
Is that the first time your running the flip technique? Is there a length of time that the bulbs should be flipped that has been found to produce better results? Maybe I should read your thread first in case you answered this stuff already....

 

[drymouth]

I'm actually in my first run with the flip flop but so fare it's going great all plants look uniform. I've read that 2hr and up it's the most safes way to go! I've read that your bulbs could and might burn out on you, cause the bulbs need a cool down period sorta like you wouldn't plug your ballast in, then unplug it, then plug it back right in! 2hrs on, then 2hrs off in a 12hr period thats 6 times it checker boards the lights.

Note: you could do 3hrs on, then 3hrs off for a total of 4 times the lights checker board in a 12/12 period. it's prety much up to you but you get the picture....