Is Nature smarter than Me?

[Dudesome]

Whenever there is a debate about what's better for the plant when it comes to Yield&Quality increasing techniques there is a very hot saying that I keep on hearing more and more often lately:

"NATURE KNOWS BEST"

Now while I do not doubt that saying as a self-contained saying for a second I still keep on asking whether that is a correct saying when it comes to the yield and quality case.

Now lets elaborate a little here:

First of we need to think about what nature is really up to.

In my personal and humble opinion a Ganja seed that has sprouted from soil in the wilds has One and only One main objective: Survival.
Throughout it's whole life the plant will grow its powerful roots to feed, lengthen its stem and produce more and more leaves to get that light and eventually pollinate or get pollinated to produce it's breed(which is also an action of survival as the matter of fact).

Now when it comes to men cultivating that same plant there is a one core difference between the objectives. Men want RESULTS.

Nature does not want results. The plant is programmed so that it grows optimally. Nature is never results oriented. Nature is optimum oriented.

Just think about sensimilla for instance. There is rarely if ever any sensimilla in nature. Male and female seeds in nature have 50-50 ratio chance.

Also you can rarely see nights outside that have 100% darkness followed by.
There are also no timeswitchers for sun to make a strict 12-12 cycle.

Now I am not here to say that men need to do everything in their own way when it comes to cultivating.
There is a great mechanism that nature has provided us with which works very well. We just need to find those little windows of opportunities that help us to improve that what we desire be it Yield, High, taste, or whatever that is we're looking for.

The plant has been cultivated for over 10000 years so far, so correct me if I'm wrong by saying that it should have adopted to over hundrends if not thousands different treatments to extract very different benefits throughout that whole time.

With great respect to Cannabis Botany and Advanced Growing Science forum from which I have already learned something and Hopefully will learn much more.

Dudesome. A young, but dedicated bud grower.

 

[ScrubNinja]

High, man. The way I look at it is: The plant's goal is reproduction. Man's goal is to get high. The plant evolved so it would get man high, and man would do most of the hard work, heheh. Have you seen Botany Of Desire? It goes along similar lines.

If you wanna get deep, any distinctions we have between man-made and nature are COMPLETELY FICTIONAL and totally an invention of man's twisted mind. Tribes of apes (probably) go to war on each other. Beavers cause environmental damage. Nature even kills itself with stupid ideas like powdery mildew and venomous snakes. We are all nature even if we perceive that we're somehow above it or not part of it.

This internet connection, the space shuttle, hydroponics, mobile phones. All of it is a natural progression.

Point being that the latest high THC Rez strain or whatever is a totally natural progression of cannabis and look how successfully it is reproducing! I hope I made some sense. None of this was based on any kind of facts, just opinion. Peace.

 

[VerdantGreen]

im not sure that 'intelligence' is something that we can attach to nature - but nature most definitely knows what it is doing, probably better than man trying to better nature in many cases.

that said, in many ways man has improved on nature - well grown crops can and will always yield more than their natural equivalents due to genetics and environment - and it's not always at the expense of the planet.
one has to provide the optimum conditions so that the plant can fulfill its best potential i guess.....

VG

 

[Dudesome]

This internet connection, the space shuttle, hydroponics, mobile phones. All of it is a natural progression.

Point being that the latest high THC Rez strain or whatever is a totally natural progression of cannabis and look how successfully it is reproducing! I hope I made some sense. None of this was based on any kind of facts, just opinion. Peace.

Hey there, mate!!

Very well wrote. I salute to your opinion and actually share it partially.

Yes Evolution is the key process of nature.
And it doesn't matter if the plant evolved by it's self in the wilds or with the help of our fellow men. As long as there is evolution, there is nature involved be it man-made or not.

Yet in this state of things, I need to correct myself with the distinction between the goals of men and nature.
I should have probably spoken of the distinction between the goals of the Wilds and goals of the Cultivator, for I honestly doubt that the plant would have evolved in such a manner be it left alone in the wilds for 10000 years.

Respect. Dudesome

 

[headband 707]

im not sure that 'intelligence' is something that we can attach to nature - but nature most definitely knows what it is doing, probably better than man trying to better nature in many cases.

that said, in many ways man has improved on nature - well grown crops can and will always yield more than their natural equivalents due to genetics and environment - and it's not always at the expense of the planet.
one has to provide the optimum conditions so that the plant can fulfill its best potential i guess.....

VG

It is certianly an interesting hypothoisis do plant posses intelligents? I enjoyed the" Botany of Desire" because it made you think... Personally I think we underestimate plants and what they do and do not know. Thier is an energy there and I'm sure most large growers would argee with the symbiotic relationship between man and plant. peace out Headband707

If the success of a plant is to spread it's seed then cannabis has been the most successful plant of them all lol.....

 

[Dudesome]

im not sure that 'intelligence' is something that we can attach to nature - but nature most definitely knows what it is doing, probably better than man trying to better nature in many cases.

that said, in many ways man has improved on nature - well grown crops can and will always yield more than their natural equivalents due to genetics and environment - and it's not always at the expense of the planet.
one has to provide the optimum conditions so that the plant can fulfill its best potential i guess.....

VG

Thanks very much for touching a very interesting concept that will not occur naturally! The process of selection!

That is just another proof, that at some points men adopt some things for themselves very well and as ScrubNinja said it is by no means an unnatural process.
As long as it evolves - it's all Nature.

 

[Dudesome]

I enjoyed the" Botany of Desire"

I have not read that book, but most deffinitely am going to now.
thanks

 

[headband 707]

I have not read that book, but most deffinitely am going to now.
thanks

It's a video you can find on the web for free,,, enjoy lol peace out Headband707

 

[Dudesome]

cool, going to check it out!

 

[Microbeman]

In 2027 the year of our great change, scientists did a complete mapping of all pharmacological components of the cannabis plant, mostly in an attempt to discover the active molecules in relation to tumour atrophy. Surprisingly it was discovered that plants having produced seeds had 10 fold more of the anti-cancer (anti-tumour) molecule.

 

[Palatial]

Along with Botany of Desire, I would also check out The Secret Life of Plants. Shit will blow your mind.

 

[Honkytonk]

Nature is cruel.
Nature is wasteful.
Nature is indifferent.
Nature is the enemy that organisms need to fight for survival.
Organisms adapt to their place in nature or die.
Adaption ensures survival not optimal function.

 

[trichrider]

technology may be a natural progression in your mind, in my mind it is mans laziness that has created technology...if laziness is cultivated by producing machines to do the work, then laziness will prevail in the concept of future.

mans interference with and dominance over nature is what causes problems that man must wrestle with to control...think Ebola...or Aids...these naturally evolved? I wonder.

mans egotistical waving of arms and shouting "I am man" is nothing short of blasphemy.

nature rules all, will be here after we are all long gone, and will not rejoice in our abscence.

 

[wco68]

i'll have to check out the others but The secret life of plants was good

 

[Microbeman]

Nature is cruel.
Nature is wasteful.
Nature is indifferent.
Nature is the enemy that organisms need to fight for survival.
Organisms adapt to their place in nature or die.
Adaption ensures survival not optimal function.

and nature's cruelest joke of all, just to create this wastefullnes of which you speak, is us.

 

[humble1]

If you have to ask the question the answer is yes.

 

[Dudesome]

Nature is cruel.
Nature is wasteful.
Nature is indifferent.
Nature is the enemy that organisms need to fight for survival.
Organisms adapt to their place in nature or die.
Adaption ensures survival not optimal function.

cruelty and indifference are subjective categories of men.
it's childish to say that a predator eats it's prey out of cruelty

no offence though. just a personal point of view

 

[Dudesome]

In 2027 the year of our great change, scientists did a complete mapping of all pharmacological components of the cannabis plant, mostly in an attempt to discover the active molecules in relation to tumour atrophy. Surprisingly it was discovered that plants having produced seeds had 10 fold more of the anti-cancer (anti-tumour) molecule.

excuse me ... what year? oO Interesting information nevertheless even if it hasnt yet happened xD

 

[headband 707]

In 2027 the year of our great change, scientists did a complete mapping of all pharmacological components of the cannabis plant, mostly in an attempt to discover the active molecules in relation to tumour atrophy. Surprisingly it was discovered that plants having produced seeds had 10 fold more of the anti-cancer (anti-tumour) molecule.

Wow that is interesting !!!! peace out Headband707

 

[Microbeman]

excuse me ... what year? oO Interesting information nevertheless even if it hasnt yet happened xD

Sorry. I thought you were someone else.