Ganja D's Outdoor 2011

[mapinguari]

Another round of rainstorms hitting with a vengence in Nor Cal this week, has to be
one of the colder , wettest winters in years ....imagine its beautiful at times & nice staying indoors, but its really been a long one & lots of outages thru these storms .

Spring will soon be here

We've been lucky not to be affected by the power outages, but we don't use any HID in our GH, and these three-week stretches with no sun are a real challenge.

Gotta think you're right, tho...soon we'll be back to days of empyrean blue!

 

[guest8905]

huh? smoking herb and tending herb go hand in hand....i appreciate taking notes , but wtf ru talking about?

My Jah, thanks for posting this, i was wondering where i was for a sec...???!?!?

 

[Trinity Gold]

huh? smoking herb and tending herb go hand in hand....i appreciate taking notes , but wtf ru talking about?

Madrus Rose, Ganja D, and I are talkin' about how if you're a stoner in the garden you get less shit done, make more mistakes, don't remember every little last detail to make things as close to perfect as possible, and are just generally prone to being on top of things less.

It also takes up time to smoke, gotta stop in the middle of work to go roll a joint then you're all high and have to re motivate yourself to go back to work and pick up where you left off and more often than not you will not be in the same rhythm nor will you be EXACTLY where you were pre smoke break...

I know in the crunch all those little half hours add up...it's more important to me to grow the best weed i can than it is to smoke that weed...even though I enjoy a fatty after work...

 

[phate]

i smoke to get motivated.... when i am sober in the garden is when mistakes start happening. i gotta be smokin while tendin the plants.

 

[NorCalMeds]

I'm looking forward to the pictures that are taken. their were some very nice ones last year.

 

[ms try comb]

Madrus Rose, Ganja D, and I are talkin' about how if you're a stoner in the garden you get less shit done, make more mistakes, don't remember every little last detail to make things as close to perfect as possible, and are just generally prone to being on top of things less.

It also takes up time to smoke, gotta stop in the middle of work to go roll a joint then you're all high and have to re motivate yourself to go back to work and pick up where you left off and more often than not you will not be in the same rhythm nor will you be EXACTLY where you were pre smoke break...

I know in the crunch all those little half hours add up...it's more important to me to grow the best weed i can than it is to smoke that weed...even though I enjoy a fatty after work...

i understand everyone is different......i dont know how long it takes you to roll a joint and smoke it.....i do it several times a day and it doesn't stop me from getting anything done....perhaps roll some in your down time the night before and smoke faster.

i certainly dont understand your thoughts on it making one less on top of it or motivated.....that just seems like the beginning of defining someone who is lazy and unmotivated to begin with.

whatever works best for each individual i suppose.

i appreciate everyones appreciation for growing better herb though......dont get me wrong.

 

[Bullfrog44]

I just take oil hits, takes about 30 secs and destroys you for hours. Then the "opps" really start happening.

 

[somoz]

Madrus Rose, Ganja D, and I are talkin' about how if you're a stoner in the garden you get less shit done, make more mistakes, don't remember every little last detail to make things as close to perfect as possible, and are just generally prone to being on top of things less.

It also takes up time to smoke, gotta stop in the middle of work to go roll a joint then you're all high and have to re motivate yourself to go back to work and pick up where you left off and more often than not you will not be in the same rhythm nor will you be EXACTLY where you were pre smoke break...

I know in the crunch all those little half hours add up...it's more important to me to grow the best weed i can than it is to smoke that weed...even though I enjoy a fatty after work...

I agree with y'all on this one big time. When running substantial operations there's a lot on the line and a lot of work involved. Running a commercial operation is an investment and a big one to boot and having the help medicated all day is going to lead to fuck ups and fuck ups lead to shit not getting done properly and shit not getting done properly leads to poor product and poor product leads to unhappy and poorly compensated growers. Not saying I'm all in it for the money but when you produce something there's a way to make it the best it can be and a way to fuck it off and make something mediocore. I aim for making it the best it can be and this involves not being ripped when I'm working.

And don't get me wrong, I'm all for medicating but if I had a 9-5 and was constantly medicating I can probably say my productivity and efficiency would be considerably down vs not medicating. Not to mention that my boss would be displeased with my quality of work as well.

To each their own for sure but for me there's a time and place. If I know the day has a huge work load then I look forward to tackling it and getting it done with a keen eye and no mistakes. It makes the smoke that much sweeter and the beer that much colder.

Every time I pop by D the thread has bumped up a couple of pages, gonna be a good year. Also, I saw a ton of Mr Nice Guys this past year, I think in 11 that's going to be the new Blue Dream. I know a lot of guys that are cropping it again this year because it finishes fast, clones quick, grows thick dense crystallography buds, and it can pass as indoors in a lot of places but I think it's going to be harder to offload as things keep changing and more and more growers are rocking the same cuts. But it is a stoney smokey and looks good so I can't blame em. Anyway, sorry for the rant man and I'm looking forward to seeing your work this year! Respect.

 

[Madrus Rose]

I just take oil hits, takes about 30 secs and destroys you for hours. Then the "opps" really start happening.

Yep , "oops" do happen , especially when
tripping the light fandango ...

Hey , like to explore doing a perma/aqua culture project ...have a fish pond working in tandem with greenhouse and/or OD production and set up to be completely self sustaining , self renewing farm concept . Translate alot of growers experiences & link it to this ...feasability & set-ups.

Any perma/aqua culturists out there ?

 

[ms try comb]

i conclude some ppl have better control of whats going on, regardless of smoking........i dont care if i have 12 hours of things to do in a day....you can bet on it that ill be smoking on the way to get supplies and wont be fucking up/off.

again, if u cant handle it, fine, if that makes the product better in said cases, so be it.

so ganja d.......what did u start/ have u started the next round of seeds? first set sexing yet?

 

[Trinity Gold]

Yeah I don't know what to say I didn't think my perspective would start practically a page of posts.

Sorry about that Ganj, my bad bro.

You are a bad ass grower with strong work ethic and all I can say is I am proud to call you my friend and say that we think the same. Big love..T.G.

 

[Ganja D]

Yeah I don't know what to say I didn't think my perspective would start practically a page of posts.

Sorry about that Ganj, my bad bro.

You are a bad ass grower with strong work ethic and all I can say is I am proud to call you my friend and say that we think the same. Big love..T.G.

Like wise TG,no need to apologize. It's too bad we don't work on the same gardens,lol. We'd be like the Tasmanian devil the cartoon in the gardens. Bet we'd grow some serious fiya.

My take is,if you got some serious work to do like moving pallet after pallet of soil and amendments by hand,or anything strenuous I personally won't smoke.
But,if I'm taking endless clones for hours on end or leafing and cleaning plants or watering by hand then yea,I like to make smoke.

Today was awful,another power outage. Ran out of gas,one genny crapped out for no reason,sucked balls. Thank god it came on in time for the flowering stuff.

 

[primeform]

sorry to hear that ganja d. hope yer luck with those outages turns around, thats a real bitch.

 

[ms try comb]

Yeah I don't know what to say I didn't think my perspective would start practically a page of posts.

why not, you've done it since i remember u showing up......shouldn't be much of a surprise to you lol.

 

[Mountain]

Mountain I respectfully disagree that this is the wrong thread.

I don't know anything regarding the use of HID supplementation outdoors and sorry if I gave the impression I did.

 

[feenom]

I'm also very new to the west coast and my standard for quality has not been so easy to find around my parts.

you've got to be kidding me.

I grew up smoking mexi brick shwag,but over the years your average smoker in a non med state has become drasticaly more aware/educated about cannabis/quality.

absolutely people are becoming more aware in other states...but check this out---we've been aware/educated out here in Cali! Nobody in Cali smokes shwag and hasn't for a very long time, it's because we've had lots of people growing chronic for decades. yes the herb scene is progressing all over the country, east /west/north/south but how are you gonna tell me that growers in new england have evolved harder faster stronger than California. that's ludicrous.

I know quite a few eastcoasters in Cali and we always talk about how we miss east coast grown herb.

can't you and your circle of transplants apply your beloved east coast techniques to cure this problem for yourselves??? or maybe you should flow against the grain and start sending herb from east to west, highway patrol would never see that one coming.

The Cali stuff always seems to dry with out enough sticky resin. Cali seems to be quanity over quality for many growers.
Maybe I just need to get out more,lol.
Also back east I never knew anyone running more than 6-8 k lights.

You're comparing apples to oranges, commercial Humboldt grows to basement indoor ops. Even still, some of this cali outdoor that we grow will rival if not exceed ANY indoor that your ballast boys cultivate. Yes maybe you should get out more.

And firing your homie for smoking on the job??...I'm trying to decide what is more asinine, a pot grower firing an employ for smoking uh, pot, or someone telling me the east coast has better herb.

No doubt you've got some respect form this community (including me) for what you guys did last season, but why would you use the spotlight to perpetuate these absurd claims ?

 

[Trinity Gold]

Way to troll it up feenom.

AFAIK this was Ganja's thread...

 

[ms try comb]

Way to troll it up feenom.

AFAIK this was Ganja's thread...

hes responding to something that was said by the thread starter....thats how this works.....welcome to the internet.

if you wanna pretend that you haven't done the same for years with umpteen usernames, keep enjoying your fantasy world.

 

[Bullfrog44]

Feenom - you make some good points, but could have done so in a less belittling way. I took a little offence to GanjaD's remarks also, being raised in Cali. I have no idea what he was talking about when saying, "The Cali stuff always seems to dry with out enough sticky resin. Cali seems to be quanity over quality for many growers." I think you answered that yourself GanjaD, you need to get out more.

Also, I have been smoking for 15+years and I have NEVER smoked bammer in my life. I took a pound and made it into cookies a bunch of times before, but never smoked it. I have been smoking A+ herb my whole life, most of it coming strait out of Humboldt country. If you think NY has better herb than Humboldt, you are just making me laugh now. This here is the birth place of all strains you are growing now. (not indigenous) I would say recognize, what has NY brought us?

The whole firing your friend thing.....If that was a rule that he kept breaking, I would have done the same thing. Insubordination is a virus, and will spread if left unchecked.

Anyways, I don't want to continue this crap any further, because one thing is for sure. GanjaD will produce some A+ herbs this year, and it doesn't matter where he came from or where he it growing it now. The important thing, grow dank, accept nothing less, period.

 

[nomaad]

FWIW, "the best" herb can be grown anywhere, by anyone, at any time.

If what you are used to from the east coast is top notch indoor love from your crew of homies (he DID say "our east coast" herb) tyhen it might be hard to find that quality out west. Especially if you don't get out enough.

I think Ganja D is commenting on the massive amounts of midgrade outdoor produced in his new Humboldt community, and i know exactly where this opinion comes from and agree that the "quantity over quality" paradigm is prevalent.

However, if you did get out more and look for it, I think you would see that even if you were never to find the exact quality your crew produced, you would be able to prove that there is MORE great doja in Cali than anywhere else. Simply because there is MORE doja in general. Perhaps even hundreds of times more. And this massive proliferation of herb would naturally make it more difficult to find the best of the best. But I would bet that for every pound of AAAAAA+ herb coming out of the east coast, there are five pounds coming out of the west. It is our individual challenge to find it.. or, as in GD's case, grow it.

I know where GD is coming from. He passionately wants to elevate the general quality of herb produced in his community and there ain;t nothing wrong with that! AND, i have worked extensively in a number of industries including TV/Film/Commercial production (which is about 3x the intensity of the herb industry) and, i hate to say it and I know I may take some heat from the west coasters... but sometimes you need some east coast Chutzpah to wake a motherfucker up out here. Things run at about 65-75% of full east coast throttle. I have seen east coast crews just annihilate their west coast counterparts. Don;t hate me... just an observation based on experience.

On the other subject: if you fired a homie the very first time he lit up during the work day, that might be a little extreme... But if you were to tell an employee, friend or otherwise, that his smoking was hindering his concentration and that in order to perform up to stabndards he would have to give up the daytime smoking... seems entirely reasonable to fire the guy. BUT if you have a large operation and some folks can function but others can't, it also seems entirely reasonable to apply the same rules to everybody. That's just the realities of being the boss. I have a no alcohol policy at my trim scenes. Its not that everybody can't handle their booze, but because some can't, everybody must abstain. I really don't see the difference.

Do they permit employees drink during shifts at distilleries?

Sure, alcohol is generally more debilitating and causes certain problems that herb does not (aggression, etc) but some people are rendered completely worthless on many levels when consuming cannabis.

Last season I learned that, at harvest and trim especially, we have to hold our friends to much higher standards than the rest of the crew. My real friends work harder, longer and do more to maintain the vibe amongst the crew. Last year, i brought on this one chick who I considered my firend... I told her that because we had history, I'd pay her at the higher rate (the $200/lb rate kicks in retroactively once you have done 1.5 lbs in a day. up to that point, i pay $150/lb)...

Anyway... homegirl decided that not only was she making the better rate, but that she could ignore every other rule that applied to everybody else. She refused to trim her littles, got her car stuck on parts of the farm where cars were prohibited and she even called a starnger to help her get her car out because she wanted to go to the hot springs one night after trim. I fired her in an extremely loud and obnoxious manner, reminding her that if she were really a homie she would have worked harder, longer and been an example to the rest of the crew as to how to follow the rules.