How much Blackstrap Molasses to use?

[Baba Ku]

Baba; I don't mind learning that H2O2 can probably (I say probably because I check most things in my lab and have actually disproven some dearly held myths) neutralize chloramines. You have failed to address the microscopic observations presented by Mad. I have stated that spring or well water is superior, that RO water does not neutralize chloramines and that the best thing is to use what one has and if necessary de-chlorinate/de-chloraminate with molasses, ascorbic acid, acetic acid or organic matter. You did not even address this! What do you recommend people do? Add H2O2 to an already toxic microbe killing mix? H2O2 kills catalase negative bacteria/archaea and many protozoa. Those which survive may have some interesting messenger RNA.

I do not understand your need to be vulgar. We have not been vulgar to you with the exception of Mad's 'dick'. In the latter part of this thread we've tried addressing whatever it is you are suggesting. Just...what is it?

Really, I could give a ripe rats toss about what you provided concering RO water, blah blah blah. And I discount each and everything I get now from Mad. He isn't about much. That is apparent. Although the way he touted you was almost if he actually knows you and actually knows anything about you. Of course I am sure he's knows squat there too.

In any event, I challenge you to prove your claim that we can rid our water of any danger or chlorAmine (get a better grip mad and practice grammar and spelling with your boyfriends -this is a canna board) simply my adding two drops of it to a gallon of water, whatever a drop is. Apparently what I said about the size of a drop means nothing to you scientists either.
More common sense on that as well, aye? Surely the clear thinking person can figure out just what a drop of something that is thick as molasses is....
(scientists my ass)

And yes, mad was vulgar and rude from the start of his exchange with me. If you didn't see that then again, I give a ripe rats toss.

I suggest that each and every item that either of you bring, you bring it with something to back it up....something perhaps a bit more credible than saying a couple of colleagues checked it out with some pool strips, or that mad has made some sort of microscopic study.
Bullshit and bollocks.

And JJ...I don't know where you have been, but you are going to tell me that you don't see any problems with the substance?
I think I have seen on multiple boards through the years where folks finally narrowed their growing problems down to the fact the their municipality had went to chloramines instead of free chlorine for disinfecting the water. Chlorine is easy to get rid of, chloramines are not. And these clowns are claiming that it is as simple as adding two drops of molasses is all that is needed to neutralize the chloramines.
Now, I ask you....if it were that simple...say as simple as adding an orange peel..which is simple due to the ascorbic acid content of the juice. But you will never see any mention of simply using a simple organic material to do the work. Never any mention by anyone, other than these rude clowns and their alleged laboratories.
One would think their claim would be a bit more widely accepted...or even talked about in debate? Nothing, zip, nada...save for from this scientific lot.

This was the start of mad's bullshit...unprovoked bullshit btw.

this was tested by Microbeman, one of our most respected members here. Had you not been cocky and annoying about your own ignorance, the link to the thread would be here. Now you have to wait until someone else asks.

OK, he's punishing me and making me wait because I was cocky, annoying, and ignorant.
Is this the part where he wasn't vulgar? Or do we need to cuss before we are considered vulgar? To hell with that.

I also would take the time, had you not been a dick, to explain that chlorine/chloramine are oxidizers, and anything organic in their path will react. That includes reducing sugars in molasses.

Ah and so now, again without provocation, I'm a dick.
But I wasn't a dick..and the info I provided proved out to be correct...or at least correct in the eyes of others that seem to publish such things on the internet in studies...we need to wait for confirmation from you lab I suppose? To hell with that too.

The underlined portion is an example of condescending

by the way, I criticized your comments, but I haven't called you a name. I don't know you, just what you'v written, which is wrong and condescending.

What I typed was shown to be CORRECT and was only seen by condescending by mad. It wasn't meant to be, nor could it even remotely been taken as such.
Accept perhaps by those who have comprehension problems and bad attitudes.

And this is real rich..

this is for the rest of you watching this. don't condescend to people who are here to help. and know your shit before you tell someone who has worked on it harder than you the they are full of it. Some of us go to great lengths to get real knowledge from outside the cannabis echo chamber and bring it back to the community. We deserve respect.

Here this guy is patting himself on the back for his obvious hard work, and demanding respect. Double inseminate that....respect gets earned, not demanded.
His hard work amounts to buying off on an internet post and running with it as if. Not much more.

My experience is also practical. Having made many many brews of ACT and having checked many of those with a microscope, I am completely confident that a bit of molasses will neutralize all chlorine. A pinch of compost does it even faster.

Is this the microscopic study that I should comment on, Microbe? He has checked it out with a miscroscope...
Good grief. I don't even know how to keep from laughing so I can add anything to that...good grief. He has added nothing, and he probably didn't even do what he is claiming. Perhaps if someone wants to make such claims they would explain the procedure and the controls used? No, there was no microscopic study done.

wow I have never gotten so much bad rep for posting so much good info.

No wonder bad rep was given out. Here we have a person demanding respect from us for the hard work he puts out...when he is posting up bullshit and speculation as fact.
I mean, it is surely apparent that either his comprehension skills or his integrity one of the two are in question, when he claimed that Microbeman conducted the study in question. He did not, and has nothing he can give us about the actual study..if there indeed was one and I believe that even that claim is indeed bogus. Even without knowing the controls claimed, he mentioned they used test strips. I won't even go further because test strips for a scientific study is like using your reading glasses to check trics.

you have backed up your assertions how? By whining about non-existent name calling. i told you to stop being a dick. You can stop at any time, so it's not a name. Your ignorance is also only a temporary condition, like the flu. And just like the flu, it can cause you do get a little runny.

Just what assertions has he backed up? He has had to reverse a couple of his assertions in a very short time, but I have seen him back up squat shit.

What I do see, is in between his smart ass comments and jabs, he inserts bullshit like this...

You have repeated the often repeated but still flat out senseless assertion that h2o2 will neutralize chlorine. That alone disqualifies you as a source.

Now, wasn't he shown to be full of shit on this one? Sure he was...oh wait, not until Microbeman confirms it in his lab.
LOL,,,
again, to hell with that and damn your trying to make me look like the bad guy here.

I think we have seen just what is what in here.
Or perhaps I have it all wrong, and am only imagining these things?

 

[heady blunts]

Water seems good though at this point although maybe a bit cloudy afterwards maybe I got carried away with that magazine I was reading.

eww!! lol

 

[heady blunts]

i mentioned discontinuing molasses due to bug invasion. does the sugar attract bugs?

well as far as i understand it, besides the micronutrients it contains, molasses is used for its carbs (aka sugar). this mimics the exudates produced by the plants' roots.

plants actually "order up" nutrients from the soil through this process. the plant uses some of its energy to produce carbs or sugar which it exudes through the roots. this attracts bacteria to the rhizosphere, which in turn attract microorganisms and fungi. they eat the bacteria and poop out soluble nutrients for the roots to absorb.

when you feed with molasses you are butting in to the cycle, and increasing the available food at the bottom of the soil food chain.

so yes. it attracts bugs

 

[maxmurder]

okay so if i dip my balls in a res filled with city tap water (chloramine), 2 drops molas and 10 mils per gallon h202 it will kill these damn crotch critters?? thanks!!!!!!!

 

[Chronito]

LOL, How helpul of you GoshBongit.. Have you got anything of any value to add here or are you just bored so you thought u would post the first thing that came into your head??... Well played Sir well played

 

[City Twin]

What's an easy way to measure the molasses without a sticky mess? I was sticking a teaspoon in the jar and drizzling all over

For container bound folks. A basting syringe works.

Warm a good dollop molasses in a water bath. A little open bowl, or beaker, or jar, or whatever till the water is about steaming. Suck up however much into the cooking gadget and squirt as needed. Use rest in coffee.

Mixing 'lasass with equal water and heating till mixed makes the chore easier.

 

[Microbeman]

Babu; I'd like to explain that a microscopic examination to verify an active microbial population requires no controls as you have inferred. If I were to check to see if adding molasses to chloraminated water had an effect to increase the potential for living microbes, I'd simply look at a sample prior to treatment; treat the water; then make a compost/soil slurry or tea from the treated AND the non-treated water. Then compare samples under the scope for microbial volume (number of microbes/field of view) It sounds as if Mad has done something similar. I assume you are calling him a liar. I believe this is grounds for banishment.

You may not realize that there are more growers out in the big world, not growing and discussing cannabis. In this world many professional growers/advisors and microbial inoculant producers count on chloramines being neutralized by organic matter or ascorbic acid.

I freely stated that this was just informal information passed on to me and that it was not a scientific study. I did however produce some grounded information about using ascorbic acid or acetic acid. Some of the information I provided inferred that >3 PPM organic matter or citric acid would also neutralize chloramines. You did bring up the ammonia issue, which is very worthy of investigation but it potentially exists, no matter what substance is utilized. I have asked you what you recommend but there is nothing forthcoming.

As for the drops of molasses issue, I believe Mad has already conceeded that if one does not feel that 2 drops is sufficient, then use 1/4 teaspoon. For water or water with microbes and some organic matter, the scientific community has deemed one drop from a pipette to be 1/20 of a ml. This is used for general microbial volume calculations. Yes of course molasses is different but I use drops of molasses all the time when it is not rocket science and I know that I've put in sufficient amounts but not too much.

If you doubt me that I have disproven some accepted myths concerning certain growing mediums, methods and amendments please do peruse my webpage. As I state in my signature, I can be wrong and have been plenty of times, which is how I learn. I do however, like to verify things easily confirmed or denied.

As for the use of test strips, this is just a standardized reagent. You may be surprised how many high priced labs use simple extraction and reagent testing methods [one reason I'm careful which lab I use].

 

[187020]

well as far as i understand it, besides the micronutrients it contains, molasses is used for its carbs (aka sugar). this mimics the exudates produced by the plants' roots.

plants actually "order up" nutrients from the soil through this process. the plant uses some of its energy to produce carbs or sugar which it exudes through the roots. this attracts bacteria to the rhizosphere, which in turn attract microorganisms and fungi. they eat the bacteria and poop out soluble nutrients for the roots to absorb.

when you feed with molasses you are butting in to the cycle, and increasing the available food at the bottom of the soil food chain.

so yes. it attracts bugs

i prolly always have a small/manageable bug population...at the time i introduced molasses it may have been summer and the critters came out instantly and with a vengeance!! the sugar threw my environmental balance out of whack so the harm outweighed the benefit at that time...

stay classy heady blunts !!

For container bound folks. A basting syringe works.

Warm a good dollop molasses in a water bath. A little open bowl, or beaker, or jar, or whatever till the water is about steaming. Suck up however much into the cooking gadget and squirt as needed. Use rest in coffee.

Mixing 'lasass with equal water and heating till mixed makes the chore easier.

City twin, thank you for this practical and helpful method of turning a syrup into a liquid...much cleaner and easier to measure and dissolve the way you do the damn thing !!

peace homie !!

 

[mad librettist]

How much Blackstrap Molasses to use?

summer especially is a bad time to have too much food in your mix, because respiration is faster at higher temps.

generally, lots of food mixed in can cause microbes to use up oxygen faster than you provide it. sane problem you get from tilling fields. this is why I prefer mulch for feeding my soil.

 

[JJScorpio]

Why even bother yourself with it. Simply go to any aquarium store and tell them you need to remove chloramine from your water. For 5 dollars you can get enough to do 10,000 gallons.

I'm not taking anyone's word for anything. If I want to take care of something I will take the pro active approach and just get it done. I don't know if molasses takes care of it or not, and I really don't care. It's to easy to neutralize it in other ways. If people on dialysis trust sodium thiosulfate to remove chloramine so they don't die, then that's good enough proof for me......

Really, I could give a ripe rats toss about what you provided concering RO water, blah blah blah. And I discount each and everything I get now from Mad. He isn't about much. That is apparent. Although the way he touted you was almost if he actually knows you and actually knows anything about you. Of course I am sure he's knows squat there too.

In any event, I challenge you to prove your claim that we can rid our water of any danger or chlorAmine (get a fucking grip mad and practice grammar and spelling with your boyfriends -this is a canna board) simply my adding two drops of it to a gallon of water, whatever a drop is. Apparently what I said about the size of a drop means nothing to you scientists either.
More common sense on that as well, aye? Surely the clear thinking person can figure out just what a drop of something that is thick as molasses is....
(scientists my ass)

And yes, mad was vulgar and rude from the start of his exchange with me. If you didn't see that then again, I give a ripe rats fuck.

I suggest that each and every item that either of you bring, you bring it with something to back it up....something perhaps a bit more credible than saying a couple of colleagues checked it out with some pool strips, or that mad has made some sort of microscopic study.
Bullshit and bollocks.

And JJ...I don't know where you have been, but you are going to tell me that you don't see any problems with the substance?
I think I have seen on multiple boards through the years where folks finally narrowed their growing problems down to the fact the their municipality had went to chloramines instead of free chlorine for disinfecting the water. Chlorine is easy to get rid of, chloramines are not. And these clowns are claiming that it is as simple as adding two drops of molasses is all that is needed to neutralize the chloramines.
Now, I ask you....if it were that simple...say as simple as adding an orange peel..which is simple due to the ascorbic acid content of the juice. But you will never see any mention of simply using a simple organic material to do the work. Never any mention by anyone, other than these rude clowns and their alleged laboratories.
One would think their claim would be a bit more widely accepted...or even talked about in debate? Nothing, zip, nada...save for from this scientific lot.

This was the start of mad's bullshit...unprovoked bullshit btw.

OK, he's punishing me and making me wait because I was cocky, annoying, and ignorant.
Is this the part where he wasn't vulgar? Or do we need to cuss before we are considered vulgar? Fuck that.

Ah and so now, again without provocation, I'm a dick.
But I wasn't a dick..and the info I provided proved out to be correct...or at least correct in the eyes of others that seem to publish such things on the internet in studies...we need to wait for confirmation from you lab I suppose? Fuck that too.

What I typed was shown to be CORRECT and was only seen by condescending by mad. It wasn't meant to be, nor could it even remotely been taken as such.
Accept perhaps by those who have comprehension problems and bad attitudes.

And this is real rich..
Here this guy is patting himself on the back for his obvious hard work, and demanding respect. Double fuck that....respect gets earned, not demanded.
His hard work amounts to buying off on an internet post and running with it as if. Not much more.

Is this the microscopic study that I should comment on, Microbe? He has checked it out with a miscroscope...
Good fucking grief. I don't even know how to keep from laughing so I can add anything to that...good grief. He has added nothing, and he probably didn't even do what he is claiming. Perhaps if someone wants to make such claims they would explain the procedure and the controls used? No, there was no microscopic study done.


No wonder bad rep was given out. Here we have a person demanding respect from us for the hard work he puts out...when he is posting up bullshit and speculation as fact.
I mean, it is surely apparent that either his comprehension skills or his integrity one of the two are in question, when he claimed that Microbeman conducted the study in question. He did not, and has nothing he can give us about the actual study..if there indeed was one and I believe that even that claim is indeed bogus. Even without knowing the controls claimed, he mentioned they used test strips. I won't even go further because test strips for a scientific study is like using your reading glasses to check trics.

Just what assertions has he backed up? He has had to reverse a couple of his assertions in a very short time, but I have seen him back up squat shit.

What I do see, is in between his smart ass comments and jabs, he inserts bullshit like this...
Now, wasn't he shown to be full of shit on this one? Sure he was...oh wait, not until Microbeman confirms it in his lab.
LOL,,,
again, fuck that and fuck trying to make me look like the bad guy here.

I think we have seen just what is what in here.
Or perhaps I have it all wrong, and am only imagining these things?

 

[mad librettist]

How much Blackstrap Molasses to use?

again jj, the reason you have to use sodium thiosulfate with dialysis water is that it all has to be sterile. you also cant be putting byproducts of chlorine/organic matter interaction in pool or dialysis water. blackstrap, compost, green tea, coffee, etc.. are not sterile and contain organic matter and are not appropriate for medical use. but they work just as well in a garden context, and are a simple and elegant solution.

as a dedicated pseudo-organick, I enjoy throwing compost in my water to neutralize chlorine. sodium thiosulfate is not my style.

ill tell you what is my style: checking what I do with a microscope first, not google. I'm nowhere near microbemans level, but with only about 20 or so hours behind a scope, following the DVDs, you can already tell a whole lot with just a quick scan of what's in a drop of water. 20 hours went by pretty fast in the first month of owning the thing.

 

[heady blunts]

a fungus and a microbe walk into a bar. the bar tender asks them what they'll have. the fungus says "i'll have some H2O." the microbe says "i'll have some H2O, too." he dies...

har har har...

 

[SOTF420]

You guys are so entertaining everyone, I love ICM

 

[Baba Ku]

First off, Microbeman you have made quite a stretch calling for my banishment. Would it be a much easier argument for you if they would just boot me out? Look, I can doubt each and every thing you present, and even state as such, and that is not a violation of the TOU...even if you want to label that me calling someone like you. or anyone, a liar.
Get a firmer grip of yourself.

Secondly, I would like to know what we are dealing with here...your buddy seems to think there is nobody here at ICMag that has such a good reputation as yours. And that you are also a scientist and business owner or somesuch. From what I can gather, your concern here is selling microbial inoculates, yes? I mean, you have no visible reputation here, as it seems you have declined from participating. So, just how does one assess your reputation here? Are you using an alias and perhaps we would all know who you are with another screen name? I'm just confused how you are seen by anyone here as a person that is of high respect?
In any event....if you want to see violation of the TOU, then simply look at the first reply that your pal made to me...it is clearly a violation of the TOU. You aren't really supposed to attack other members just because you think you have the upper hand on the topic...of course the guy had the upper hand on nothing, yet he continued until he was proven to be wrong. He owes me an apology for it as well.

Now, as far as his microscopic study...just where did you read of his procedures?
And just what was he looking for...I mean you can't see chloramines with a microscope, can you? Perhaps you explain to us how you confirm that a simple sugar is going to neutralize chloramine from water?
Oh and btw...I don't think folks that are having problems with chloraminated water are having it due to their microbial numbers in their medium. Or perhaps you could explain to us what the hell the microscope has to do with checking for chloramine?

 

[vonforne]

I do not want to see anymore member bashing from anyone.

Is that clear.

Get this back on track and have a civil discussion.

Baba Ku go back and edit that language pout of your post.

V

 

[Baba Ku]

PM me and tell me just what editing you are asking for.

 

[mad librettist]

How much Blackstrap Molasses to use?

we don't check for chloramines with the microscope. we check for microbes. chloramine/chloramine kills microbes, meaning you start with a smaller and less diverse population as your initial inoculant. the population grows from there, and one can see the difference.

for a laymans account of why microbes matter, try the book "teaming with microbes"

with a microscope and soil culture only, and no background info, I can tell you in 5 minutes or less the difference between anaerobic soil, aerobic soil, bacterial dominated, and fungal dominated. I can tell if it's a peat mix or dirt, garden soil or forest soil.

with soil right on the slide, I can scan for microarthropods, hyphae, rotifers, bacterial structures, nematodes, etc...

 

[Microbeman]

Oh and btw...I don't think folks that are having problems with chloraminated water are having it due to their microbial numbers in their medium. Or perhaps you could explain to us what the hell the microscope has to do with checking for chloramine?

Please reread what I wrote. I already explained how one could use a microscope in this case, as did Mad, albeit briefer. I believe Mad gave you my webpage where you might see what I'm involved in. Not microbial inoculants. I described my take on microbial inoculants earlier to you. Please read thoroughly prior to replying.

I did not call for you to be banned but do believe calling a member a liar is potential for this to occur.

I disabled my reputation a long time ago. I do not care about that stuff.

 

[187020]

in the heat of summer 2010, the hydro store girl told me people were having difficulty rooting clones all over the city because chloramine was added to the usual chlorine regimen by the municipality. i told her i was having no such problem but she said it was mainly hydroponic growers. i did get the sense she wanted to sell me something to cure what wasn't ailing me...

peace homies

 

[mad librettist]

for rooting clones, I like things inert. I dont water my rooting medium with anything but fresh, chlorinated tap water. Chlorine/chloramine have never given me problems rooting.