How much Blackstrap Molasses to use?
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Babu; Why have you failed to address the direct microscopy observations which have been mentioned?
baby ku, found a shred of light for you. I would caution though that you had better know EXACTLY how much chlorine is in your water, because any excess h2o2 is worse for the herd than the equivalent chlorine concentration.
Here is what Mad Lib learned today that he didn't know before: chlorine is a reducing agent.
but then again, you can do the same thing with citrus peel or your balls dipped in. And you don't risk destroying all those microbes.
Here is what Mad Lib learned today that he didn't know before: chlorine is a reducing agent.
but then again, you can do the same thing with citrus peel or your balls dipped in. And you don't risk destroying all those microbes.
you have to understand, both of us are so used to people spouting crazy bullshit about h2o2 being good for aerobic microbes, a sensible way to treat root rot, etc... it's kind of a nice surprise for something to be true. If you weren't so darned good looking about it it would be nicer.
This is one detail in all this. both MM and I still know our shit, molasses or dipping your balls in it still neutralizes chloramine, and you were still being a wonderful chap.
You still don't have a microscope, and you still have done nothing to address my direct observation: that adding a couple drops of blackstrap and waiting 10 minutes treated my chloraminated water just fine. It also treats my current water, which contains only incidental chloramines along with the chlorine added by the municipality.
2 drops per gallon, and I get good brews. If I drop the compost straight into untreated water, I don't. One pinch of compost serves equally well. Since it's now a matter of convenience, I use a pinch of compost per gallon to treat water for ACT (1 ppm chlorine according to city), and since I water with a pump sprayer, I use 2 drops (OR SO!) blackstrap per gallon to water.
Ever since I noticed dirty rainwater works better than tap, when I used a watering can with city water, I always put a bit of soil in before use. Now I have a wormbin, but whatever your plants are in will work too, and it's right in front of you.
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Thank you Mad Lib & Microbeman for all the very informative posts. Great read I learned a few things. Much respect it's clear who knows what they are talking about here and I also just dipped my balls in the water for awhile that felt great! 
Look, this is incredibly ridiculous bullshit.
You have anything to add here, soft or just trying to stir shit? I suggest you shove off.
Here is what I posted and was told it was condescending.
Thing is, it was not condescending, and I had actually forgotten who actually provided it. There is a problem with my post though, as I meant to type "chlorimine" instead of chlorine.
And also, you called me out for recommending H202 and told me to stop...yet today you got a little schooling yes? Did this schooling change things?
You owe me an apology pure and simple.
Sure I defend myself and my actions and you are in here calling me dicks and stuff. Thing is, it wasn't me that started the shit...it was you. Then you demand respect...what a ridiculous joke that is. You are way too smart by half, and that is quite apparent.
You have anything to add here, soft or just trying to stir shit? I suggest you shove off.
Here is what I posted and was told it was condescending.
Thing is, it was not condescending, and I had actually forgotten who actually provided it. There is a problem with my post though, as I meant to type "chlorimine" instead of chlorine.
In any even, it was not a smartasses post, and now that you actually found out something you didn't know...does it now make more sense that I would post it, mad?
And also, you called me out for recommending H202 and told me to stop...yet today you got a little schooling yes? Did this schooling change things?
You owe me an apology pure and simple.
Sure I defend myself and my actions and you are in here calling me dicks and stuff. Thing is, it wasn't me that started the shit...it was you. Then you demand respect...what a ridiculous joke that is. You are way too smart by half, and that is quite apparent.
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Damn! I just wrote a couple paragraphs and a friend phoned, reached for the phone grazed the keyboard....gone. I'll try a repeat.
Baba; I don't mind learning that H2O2 can probably (I say probably because I check most things in my lab and have actually disproven some dearly held myths) neutralize chloramines. You have failed to address the microscopic observations presented by Mad. I have stated that spring or well water is superior, that RO water does not neutralize chloramines and that the best thing is to use what one has and if necessary de-chlorinate/de-chloraminate with molasses, ascorbic acid, acetic acid or organic matter. You did not even address this! What do you recommend people do? Add H2O2 to an already toxic microbe killing mix? H2O2 kills catalase negative bacteria/archaea and many protozoa. Those which survive may have some interesting messenger RNA.
I do not understand your need to be vulgar. We have not been vulgar to you with the exception of Mad's 'dick'. In the latter part of this thread we've tried addressing whatever it is you are suggesting. Just...what is it?
Baba; I don't mind learning that H2O2 can probably (I say probably because I check most things in my lab and have actually disproven some dearly held myths) neutralize chloramines. You have failed to address the microscopic observations presented by Mad. I have stated that spring or well water is superior, that RO water does not neutralize chloramines and that the best thing is to use what one has and if necessary de-chlorinate/de-chloraminate with molasses, ascorbic acid, acetic acid or organic matter. You did not even address this! What do you recommend people do? Add H2O2 to an already toxic microbe killing mix? H2O2 kills catalase negative bacteria/archaea and many protozoa. Those which survive may have some interesting messenger RNA.
I do not understand your need to be vulgar. We have not been vulgar to you with the exception of Mad's 'dick'. In the latter part of this thread we've tried addressing whatever it is you are suggesting. Just...what is it?
I'm not sure of the need for all the arguing....
In regards to removing chloramine, if it's even necessary, one would use sodium thiosulfate. A carbon filter could also be used, as could commercial water conditioners designed to remove it, but I believe they'd contain carbon...... I believe the levels are so small that it would have no ill effects upon plants regardless.
In regards to removing chloramine, if it's even necessary, one would use sodium thiosulfate. A carbon filter could also be used, as could commercial water conditioners designed to remove it, but I believe they'd contain carbon...... I believe the levels are so small that it would have no ill effects upon plants regardless.
Why bother purchasing something to remove it when it is neutralized by organic matter? (>3 ppm)
How much Blackstrap Molasses to use?
a pinch of compost or 2 drops of molasses. that's per gallon jj, be honest. did you read the thread? because I've said that maybe half a dozen times.
can chloramines harm your grow? well if like me you believe the upper layers of soil are sensitive and key to nutrient cycling, and you had personally observed compost tea fail to develop normally when using treated water, you might not be confident about watering with tap water straight, especially with small containers that are watered frequently.
in a tea, it is a major problem to have your inoculant go directly into treated water. the chlorine is there to deal with just that kind of scenario.
if anyone feels offended, can I offer you a free bottle of my personally and intimately dechlorinated water?
a pinch of compost or 2 drops of molasses. that's per gallon jj, be honest. did you read the thread? because I've said that maybe half a dozen times.
can chloramines harm your grow? well if like me you believe the upper layers of soil are sensitive and key to nutrient cycling, and you had personally observed compost tea fail to develop normally when using treated water, you might not be confident about watering with tap water straight, especially with small containers that are watered frequently.
in a tea, it is a major problem to have your inoculant go directly into treated water. the chlorine is there to deal with just that kind of scenario.
if anyone feels offended, can I offer you a free bottle of my personally and intimately dechlorinated water?
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critters?
critters?
i mentioned discontinuing molasses due to bug invasion. does the sugar attract bugs? it was such a sticky mess too i wish it came in a less gooey form.
peace to the homies, you're some passionate marijuanists !!
critters?
i mentioned discontinuing molasses due to bug invasion. does the sugar attract bugs? it was such a sticky mess too i wish it came in a less gooey form.
peace to the homies, you're some passionate marijuanists !!
Because sodium thiosulfate has an element of sulfur, there is minor potential as an anti-fungal. Okay in an aquarium though.
I wonder, what happens if you have organic matter, h2o2, and chlorine all in the same water?
This is what i like to see.. Some serious botanists playing HU for rolls... Sorry poker expression i wonder how many get it..
You guys dont mess around, we've broken this shit down to a molecular level.. Awesome
And i just wanted to know how much molasses to use..
Peace out
chronito
You guys dont mess around, we've broken this shit down to a molecular level.. Awesome
And i just wanted to know how much molasses to use..
Peace out
chronito
So how is everyone else dipping your balls? Right now I'm going the 5 gallon bucket route my girlfriend thought I was crazy she came in and I was squatting over it she thought I was taking a dump! 
Water seems good though at this point although maybe a bit cloudy afterwards maybe I got carried away with that magazine I was reading.
Water seems good though at this point although maybe a bit cloudy afterwards maybe I got carried away with that magazine I was reading.
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