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Wrong and wrong.
Bullshit!!!
oil is not finite = abiotic oil...oil can be made from plants. period. no loss to us if the
oil-ligarcy peters out, we can make it from hemp.
the economy is not fueled by oil...its fueled by paper that the Fed prints on a whim, if oil were the engine that drives the economy, then oil would be much more expensive or unavailable.
Considering that the thrust of the oil industry is to enslave consumers in a vicious circle of dependance on a product that is finite would be like betting on the grey mare.
With the power of the police state also dependant on oil, the oil-ligarcy would deny availability to the millions using it purposelessly.
Consider the billions of tons of plastic made from petroleum; gasoline is a byproduct from this process...a byproduct. gasoline is like trim from your plants after harvest; good for something, but not what you intended. If there were any type of indication that oil would run out soon, the oil-ligarcy would IMMEDIATELY limit consumption thereby guaranteeing that they remain in charge...
imo the 'engine' that runs the world is nuclear, all others pale.
oil is necessary, because they made it so...see Henry Fords hemp car.
oil is not finite = abiotic oil...oil can be made from plants. period. no loss to us if the
oil-ligarcy peters out, we can make it from hemp.
the economy is not fueled by oil...its fueled by paper that the Fed prints on a whim, if oil were the engine that drives the economy, then oil would be much more expensive or unavailable.
Considering that the thrust of the oil industry is to enslave consumers in a vicious circle of dependance on a product that is finite would be like betting on the grey mare.
With the power of the police state also dependant on oil, the oil-ligarcy would deny availability to the millions using it purposelessly.
Consider the billions of tons of plastic made from petroleum; gasoline is a byproduct from this process...a byproduct. gasoline is like trim from your plants after harvest; good for something, but not what you intended. If there were any type of indication that oil would run out soon, the oil-ligarcy would IMMEDIATELY limit consumption thereby guaranteeing that they remain in charge...
imo the 'engine' that runs the world is nuclear, all others pale.
oil is necessary, because they made it so...see Henry Fords hemp car.
Bottled water has just edged out canned beer now in sales in the US ...oh boy ,
fellow consumer monkeys , are we learning N'yet ?
"Beyond Oil in 20 Years"
http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/201101/beyondoil.aspx
A sea of plastic , 5mins worth in the US
Plastic Bottles, 2007 (60 x 120 inches)
Depicts 2 million plastic bottles, the number used in the
United States every five minutes
** Retirement Factoid, sound familiar ?**
( a river of lemmings running into a sea of denial)
One in four Baby Boomers have saved nothing for retirement and when you include their younger counterparts the number is even more startling: 34 percent of all adults have no retirement savings, according to a recent poll from Harris Interactive
So, for many people it becomes a vicious cycle of spending, procrastination and as the finish line draws near -- denial.
If you are one of the people who's at or near the retirement finish line, and you haven't saved enough, it's time to hit the panic button and make some dramatic changes.
You need a plan -- and you need it now!
(" and you better start swimming or sink like a stone !!!")
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fellow consumer monkeys , are we learning N'yet ?
"Beyond Oil in 20 Years"
http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/201101/beyondoil.aspx
A sea of plastic , 5mins worth in the US
Plastic Bottles, 2007 (60 x 120 inches)
Depicts 2 million plastic bottles, the number used in the
United States every five minutes
** Retirement Factoid, sound familiar ?**
( a river of lemmings running into a sea of denial)
One in four Baby Boomers have saved nothing for retirement and when you include their younger counterparts the number is even more startling: 34 percent of all adults have no retirement savings, according to a recent poll from Harris Interactive
So, for many people it becomes a vicious cycle of spending, procrastination and as the finish line draws near -- denial.
If you are one of the people who's at or near the retirement finish line, and you haven't saved enough, it's time to hit the panic button and make some dramatic changes.
You need a plan -- and you need it now!
(" and you better start swimming or sink like a stone !!!")
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Sort of correct. Like said the when part is up for debate.
I think people are getting confused when I say runs on oil. Let me simplify. Here are a few examples to demonstrate this.
The price o everything is tied to the price of oil. When oil goes up so does everything else because the system which facilitates the production, distribution, & consumption of anything is powered by oil. the GDP of a county has a direct correlation with the carbon output of said country.
Oil is finite. Yes some oil can be produced frOm plant matter but at nowhere near the amount required to keep this system "which is built on oil" running. Yes we can find a new power source, but not in a time frame sufficient to keep the the population from deflating.
Do you honestly think that if OPEC started limiting it's production that ther wouldn't be widespred (panic,starvation,violence, & resource wars".
I really thought this was a no brainer.
I think people are getting confused when I say runs on oil. Let me simplify. Here are a few examples to demonstrate this.
The price o everything is tied to the price of oil. When oil goes up so does everything else because the system which facilitates the production, distribution, & consumption of anything is powered by oil. the GDP of a county has a direct correlation with the carbon output of said country.
Oil is finite. Yes some oil can be produced frOm plant matter but at nowhere near the amount required to keep this system "which is built on oil" running. Yes we can find a new power source, but not in a time frame sufficient to keep the the population from deflating.
Do you honestly think that if OPEC started limiting it's production that ther wouldn't be widespred (panic,starvation,violence, & resource wars".
I really thought this was a no brainer.
Just watch the movie before you enter the debate in this thread. Sure you could argue that the economy is based on innovation, but its mostly innovation of oil. Turning oil into plastics, paints, etc. Using oil to plant our food, oil based ferts to grow the food, oil to harvest the food, oil to transport the food to huge packaging facilities, oil to package the food in plastic, oil to transport to the grocery store, and then finally oil to get it to our homes.
I sure hope you are right, and all of this is wrong Panama Red.
i beleive in one of the movies they said that the toxic chemicals that come from plastic effect every single part of the human body ,including reproductive organs cause they interfere with hormones,then there would be a feasable situation where your gonna get sick from this stuff or a loved one , then you have medical bills to pay and you end up paying insurence co.'s or you go broke trying to pay yourself cause they can sell you the same product but your gonna pay top dollar cause if not they would rather get full price from the Ins co.'s and now the health bill eliminates all compitiiton for the Ins co's to charge whatever.
the tree is the illusion of democracy and choice ,and the root is capitalisim the thought that it doesnt matter what you do it can be rationalized if its for a buck.wrong attitude.
mabey democracy was real at some point, but you only have your choice of poisons today.
the tree is the illusion of democracy and choice ,and the root is capitalisim the thought that it doesnt matter what you do it can be rationalized if its for a buck.wrong attitude.
mabey democracy was real at some point, but you only have your choice of poisons today.
It takes oil for you to get to the store.
It takes oil for your food to get to the store.
It takes oil for you to bring your food home from the store.
Everything you buy and transport costs oil. If you buy something in heavy glass jars from the store, you will pay more than something that comes in plastic... which takes oil to make.
If transport trucks were electrically powered, costs should go down.
It takes oil for your food to get to the store.
It takes oil for you to bring your food home from the store.
Everything you buy and transport costs oil. If you buy something in heavy glass jars from the store, you will pay more than something that comes in plastic... which takes oil to make.
If transport trucks were electrically powered, costs should go down.
it isn't a kill the bad humans movie, it basically goes to show how much of our everyday lives and economy are tied to oil, it then goes to show how we are probably at peak oil production now, and things are only going to get harder/more expensive as oil demand keeps going up while supply goes down.
Michael Rupport is a badass in my opinion. Collapse was a great documentary and helped opened my eyes to a lot of things I didn't know. His example of population growth and the discovery of oil was about as real as it gets. It all comes down to farming in the beginning, and the end.
-Funk
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Bicycles, barter systems, victory gardens and meat-less diets are in all our futures...
more like walking, bartering, and hunting gathering. so a good majority will have to be meat, you just gotta catch it.
The Obama regime, like all the USA governments since Reagan, have been increasing the power of the Police State in preparation for this coming economic collapse.
the Department of defense just recently released statements that acknowledge the US is under economic attack from a sovereign country(s) they have been war gaming for it and the civil unrest it would cause since '09
FWIW, I'm not ready for this to happen ...
me niether
responses bold and blue...plus our awsome friend cannabis ,has a plethura of uses in everyday life,i feel that it'll save us again when we need sustainable enviormentally sound goods,we'll be all set we just need to get goin on this stuff...
very true man. hemp can feed, clothe, and provide fuel and it can be grown multiple times a year in warmer climates... i know that it would have a spot in my garden after things settle down...
procrastination is like masturbation in the end you fxck yourself.
i just seen apretty good documenty called 2012 a timeforchange, i have the motivation to sign up for a yoga class now
and theres another one i watched called hemp revolution,it talks about all its uses includint composit wood for house cunstruction thats immensley stronger than hardwoods!
and theres another one i watched called hemp revolution,it talks about all its uses includint composit wood for house cunstruction thats immensley stronger than hardwoods!
i don't dream this up.
just cause i have some unorthodox opinions about what comprises a conspiracy, or passes as truth in my eyes, don't mean i'm a dunce or dimwitted.
of course i have faults, and display them often, but law of averages says i'm right once in a while, and since i'm not changing my story, i must be right at this juncture.
because we have been led to slaughter by benevolent big brother is the reason i insist...
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Theory/SustainableOil/
oil is a naturally replenished resource, no chance of it ever running out.
that is a crisis that benevolent big brother continues to use to opress the multitudes.
really? a no brainer huh?
just cause i have some unorthodox opinions about what comprises a conspiracy, or passes as truth in my eyes, don't mean i'm a dunce or dimwitted.
of course i have faults, and display them often, but law of averages says i'm right once in a while, and since i'm not changing my story, i must be right at this juncture.
because we have been led to slaughter by benevolent big brother is the reason i insist...
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Theory/SustainableOil/
oil is a naturally replenished resource, no chance of it ever running out.
that is a crisis that benevolent big brother continues to use to opress the multitudes.
really? a no brainer huh?
David762
Member
I think you may be extraordinarily optimistic ...
I think you may be extraordinarily optimistic ...
I think you may be extraordinarily optimistic ... conventional sources of petroleum, upon which our entire industrial age economy and civilization have been based, have already reached Peak Oil. The petroleum we have been using up in only 120+ years, took 100's of millions of years to create through natural processes of heat and pressure. The actual source of "abiotic" petroleum has never been ascertained -- it could very well be organically derived petroleum which has been forced into the mantle through pressure. In the mean time, deniers of "peak oil" dissuade otherwise rational people from seeking alternative renewable sources of energy. This series of 8 video clips explains rather well the dire straits our entire petroleum-based civilization is in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY&feature=relmfu
I think you may be extraordinarily optimistic ...
I think you may be extraordinarily optimistic ... conventional sources of petroleum, upon which our entire industrial age economy and civilization have been based, have already reached Peak Oil. The petroleum we have been using up in only 120+ years, took 100's of millions of years to create through natural processes of heat and pressure. The actual source of "abiotic" petroleum has never been ascertained -- it could very well be organically derived petroleum which has been forced into the mantle through pressure. In the mean time, deniers of "peak oil" dissuade otherwise rational people from seeking alternative renewable sources of energy. This series of 8 video clips explains rather well the dire straits our entire petroleum-based civilization is in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY&feature=relmfu
Croissant
Member
yep its gonna get bad.
hopefully it will lead to a pardigm shift.....
if your ready to shift now ill give you the heads up. Even once i tell you it takes a long time to let this set in and for you to see the world differently if you ever do. Yeah, it gets scary sometimes. You cant be afraid to ask yourself the hard questions, and as soon as you think you got it all figured out it usually means your stuck in a delusion.
ok sit down..... hold on.....are you ready for this?.....
the biosphere is an organism we are not seperate of it; we are it experiencing itself subjectively. THERE IS NO SEPERATE. Everything alive you interact with is you. Yes, thats right all life is a manifestation of conciousness experiencing itself subjectively.
And as usual the root problem is an identity crisis.
Who are you?
hopefully it will lead to a pardigm shift.....
if your ready to shift now ill give you the heads up. Even once i tell you it takes a long time to let this set in and for you to see the world differently if you ever do. Yeah, it gets scary sometimes. You cant be afraid to ask yourself the hard questions, and as soon as you think you got it all figured out it usually means your stuck in a delusion.
ok sit down..... hold on.....are you ready for this?.....
the biosphere is an organism we are not seperate of it; we are it experiencing itself subjectively. THERE IS NO SEPERATE. Everything alive you interact with is you. Yes, thats right all life is a manifestation of conciousness experiencing itself subjectively.
And as usual the root problem is an identity crisis.
Who are you?
hippydan
Member
Finally got the chance to watch the documentary. Watched it with the wife. She doesn't usually buy in to my "conspiracy theories" but even she couldn't deny what was being told in the film. Honestly I can't wait for this to happen. I think it'll be the best thing for the planet. No, I'm not ready, luckily we still have awhile to go yet. For those of you trying to make "believers" out of those who laugh and tell us to put our tinfoil hats on, fuck them. When the shit hits the fan, not all of us will be able to survive. Let them watch their trash like "Jersey Shore", while reading Facebook and rot. My post may be a little harsh, but truth is it's a harsh world. Survival of the fittest.
Croissant
Member
not likely history has shown those who survive the tough times are ussually the most powerful (probably fat white guys) so probably the richest and well connected will control the resources. They will probably live in gated communities and keep the poor out just like now. its just their will be a whole lot more poor.
even a well prepared guy could get their stuff jacked by a jersey shore watching idiot. Strength lies in community. their will be a lot of jersey shore watching idots in the exodus of big cities. But thats probably not going to happen this century. The poorest are always hit the hardest and first....Remember the global food crisis?
Also the fittest tend to depend on a population of something weaker if they deplete that they dissapear, unless they can adapt. the population that can adapt is the most adapted to a particular set of circumstances, not neccesarily the fittest, which is quite often the smallest because they require less food.
hippydan
Member
You brought up a lot of valid points, however I think you took my post a little too literally. Especially the "survival of the fittest" remark, I didn't necessarily mean strong. Having a strong, determined mind is going to be the most important thing to have in my opinion. I don't really want to argue this or that, as it's neither here nor there and won't help anything in the long run. Be strong, stay safe!
Croissant
Member
yeah cool i didnt want to argue, sorry if I came of that way, i dont really like arguing. I just thought a lot about this stuff over the years. Ive been aware of this stuff for like 20% of my life, and I knew something was wrong the 40% before that it just took me a while to figure it out being a kid at the time. I love to discuss some things though particularly this topic.
