SUPERthrive additive

[Clackamas Coot]

maybe thats why some dont see any results like me cause i already add alfalfa to my mix. tria has been used bty rose growers for a long time. i also have found no need for vitamin b either

supermanlives

The use of Vitamin B agents to horticulture process has been disproved over and over and over - finis.

Alfalfa is a great amendment. I add it to my soil mixes as well and apply alfalfa tea on a weekly basis. At $10.50 for 50 lbs. (organic, non-GMO) it's a pretty inexpensive paradigm.

AND the Tria is in a natural form unlike the chemical version used in any of the Tria products - commercial and consumer level.

CC

 

[GanjaPharma]

used it while cloning for years....till i ran out and used plain water, no change. never used it after that.
i did see a grow, where the guy used it throughout veg and bloom in a dwc, and his plants spun out and foxtailed like nothing i have seen him do before or since. like it had some kind of "make lots of leaves instead of flowers" hormone in it.

 

[Dr.Dank]

Sounds scientific to me.

Meanwhile, I'll be chopping these that were grown without ST.
Or kaboom, or pork yer buds, or foolish feed.
Jus nutes, water an sunshine.
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Well, maybe a li'l love, but no snake oil.

My side by side tests were concurrent, not sequential.
I found no value in ST, and some risk.
More of a belief system that an additive really.

Aloha,
Weezard

Well those plants def don't look very healthy... i tell you that much... unless your flushing that little bud already thing is yellow....
also all those tips of the leafs are burnt..
very small branches little branching and see threw buds....

Take some time to look at my thread before making up your mind about super thrive.. My buds burn smooth no fox tailing.. I've grown 100's of lb in my life and Im still learning but I can tell from my findings that its not affecting my smoke.
All the best to you guys lol sometimes you guys just need to experiment instead of following others.. I like to make my own mind.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Some people read lab reports and understand basic botany and maybe even certain areas of biology.

This product has been around for 70+ years and not ONE SINGLE PEER REVIEWED STUDY has ever been successfully completed. 70+ years.

When ODA went after these jamokes it only took 3 weeks of lab analysis to conclude that this product was without merit - not a reason to ban its sale. It was, and is, the addition of NAA - it's a friggin' pesticide.

Facts are facts.

CC

 

[Weezard]

<Grin>

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Well those plants def don't look very healthy... i tell you that much... unless your flushing that little bud already thing is yellow....
also all those tips of the leafs are burnt..
very small branches little branching and see threw buds....


Take some time to look at my thread before making up your mind about super thrive.. My buds burn smooth no fox tailing.. I've grown 100's of lb in my life and Im still learning but I can tell from my findings that its not affecting my smoke.
All the best to you guys lol sometimes you guys just need to experiment instead of following others.. I like to make my own mind.

Yes to the flushing, and I had already cut the two best colas and 4 bottom branches.
I always stagger my harvest.

Those tips are actually very burnt, mea culpa.
I've just started playing with Sunshine mix #4.
Found out that it is NOT coco.
Almost killed the poor thing

But, for a sick Thai plant flowered in February, she's very tasty and extremely potent.

The red headed gal is genetically fat in the bud so she no count.

Just put a new Thai girl in 5g. DWC. for the long season.

Check back with me in September and I'll show ya some KISSed monsters.

P.S.
Left ya a message on your page.

Aloha,
Weeze

 

[SKAGITMAGIC]

I'd really like to hear about your results, thank you

 

[NOKUY]

all the popular kids drink it now days

 

[TB Gardens]

when i was working landscaping my old boss always used to make me use it during transplanting, i never noticed a difference between a tree transplanted with versus one with out.

 

[SKAGITMAGIC]

SuperThrive

SuperThrive

Thank you everyone for your replies,I've done okay without it and gotta ask myself why!!, anyway i did a foliar spray with 2 drops per gallon, one more week and i go from 19/5 to 12/12,

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

There's a post here somewhere that states recommended dosing acts as a root stimulant. Mixed stronger, it's a defoliant. There's a reference to agent orange, comparing the two as similar agents. Whether this is as bull shit as ST itself, I have no idea.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

There's a post here somewhere that states recommended dosing acts as a root stimulant. Mixed stronger, it's a defoliant. There's a reference to agent orange, comparing the two as similar agents. Whether this is as bull shit as ST itself, I have no idea.

It's not B.S. - NAA (the basic ingredient in SuperTHrive) is a pesticide.

And all the anecdotal horse-sh*t about Superthrive's effectiveness won't change that fact.

Ever. Science is science. Period.

CC

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I'm not defending ST, just wondering if the comparison to defoliant is accurate.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

I'm not defending ST, just wondering if the comparison to defoliant is accurate.

DB

On a generic gardening board earlier today your exact question came up, i.e. issues related to hi-dosing with Tria

Your observations are spot-on.

Consider a couple of facts - Tria was isolated circa 1934 or so. In less than 4 years this product hit the scene. It was NEVER accepted for general agriculture applications - it was always geared towards the consumer retail customer - the ones with little, if any, knowledge on what goes on to grow a plant.

Snake oil? Kind words indeed.

CC

 

[grapeman]

I'm with CC on this. Don't use it. I threw mine away several years ago. It is NOT a magic elixir.

You'll have better luck with kelp and water for transplanting.

 

[Kcar]

NAA is a plant hormone in the auxin family and is an ingredient in many commercial plant rooting horticultural products; it is a rooting agent and used for the vegetative propagation of plants from stem and leaf cutting. It is also used for plant tissue culture

 

[Greenheart]

When I first started learning an old vetran told me that a little burn on the tips like Weezard's 3rd pic in his first reply is "perfect".

As far as the ST goes I experimented with it and forgot about it and have been using it every few months if some urge overcomes me. Does it work? I don't really know. It definitely builds up some crusty stuff around the edges of it's bottle. It also contains 2 components I've seen on different rooting hormone bottles.

I have recently started with Moonshineman's Mix and hopefully it will be pure water from here on out unless I'm just feeling like it's blackstrap molassess time. What I can tell you is the plant itself is simply awe inspiring in it's ability to grow under almost any condition. I now root clones in a peat, perlite, vermiculite medium with nothing but water usually about 14 days but the quickest was 7. Coco is great just discovered it 4 months ago. Before that I was using the SS4 cut with perlite and vermiculite. With coco you can water and water and...

-GH-

 

[growshopfrank]

when i was working landscaping my old boss always used to make me use it during transplanting, i never noticed a difference between a tree transplanted with versus one with out.

Landscapers love the stuff I sell them gallon jugs of the stuff they swear by it to reduce transplant shock

 

[foomar]

Almost every amateur gardener in the UK over 30 , will have a part used vintage bottle of this concoction gathering dust , have never met anyone who purchased a second.

The importers gave up trying to sell it to the plant industry or retail through garden centres , hydro shops are about the only place its sold now.

Have seen it use gain no advantage in veg , no real damage unless overdosed but ultimately pointless.

Use in flower can definately cause problems , normally reliable clones often express intersex traits , have used it as a selection tool to cull those of borderline stability from a run.

Contains sugars which seems to encourage the growth of assorted moulds and rots in a bubble cloner , not any faster to root but more losses.


Would still say buy a small bottle just for the classic packageing , pure 50,s nostalgia and a lesson in dodgy marketing decades before AN.

 

[compost]

Ive tried superthrive and now it sits on the shelves full of dust. Might be nice and give it to my wife for her plants in the house. I would rather use small dosage of root hormone(http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?sku=HO300). I just started this recently myself and find it helps in small amounts in the veg room.

 

[spurr]

NAA and IBA have both been proven to increase rooting, and are the main PGRs in "rooting hormone" products.

Top (young) leaves are the "source tissue" for IBA, and NAA too IIRC; and roots are the "sink tissue". That is, the plant makes IBA in top leaves and moves them into roots to help roots grow. NAA and IBA (as well as IAA) are used extensively in non-cannabis in horticulture; from tissue culture to vegetative cloning, to assisting in root growth of whole plants.

I find it odd NAA is classified as a pesticide, especially considering (IIRC) it's made by most (all?) plants. IAA or IBA gets converted into NAA inside plant tissue, but don't anyone quote me on that, I would have to check my notes.

AFAIK superthrive does not contain triacontanol, Coot, do you have test links from OR state or WA state showing it does?

Triaconatanol (TRIA) is used in horticulture for tissue culture and for increasing growth and rate of photosynthesis of many whole plants. Granted, not many farmers utilize TRIA in it's extracted form (from plant tissue), many use alfalfa meal instead; but it's the same TRIA from either source. TRIA in powder form is not an analog by lab invented chemical, it's TRIA extracted from plant matter; IIRC using chloroform on plant matter like alfalfa.

Vitamin B-1 has been debunked for ages as a "stress reducer" and "root enhancer" when applied to rhizoshere; but phyllosphere (foliar) application is another story. The same goes for all the vitamins often used for cannabis fertilizers and additives, none are worth a dame when applied to root zone; but they do 'feed' many types of microbes, so that's something I guess. Just like amino acids, plants make their own vitamins endogenously...

FWIW, I have used superthrive as media drench many times, and I did notice better root growth thanks to the NAA, I surmise. That said, I no longer use ST and haven't used it in some time.

I have tested spraying plants with a mix of IBA (~500 ppm) and NAA (~250 ppm) from super-grow.biz, a product called "root tonic", when the plants were about a month old. The result was very noticeable, both good and bad: the good part was root growth was much increased verses plants not sprayed, and on plants that were sprayed the stalk above the media started to different into roots (i.e., root 'nubs' formed, like what one sees on basal ends of vegetative cuttings)! The bad part was for a couple of days after spraying the plants all seemed to be suffering from phytotoxicity, the leaves were all droopy and curled inward, growth stopped. But after a few days the plants looked normal and the roots just exploded. I think the phytotoxicity issue came from my use of 91% ISO to dissolve the IBA and NAA. I think I used too much ISO and I should have made a stock solution and then diluted into water for a working solution to reduce the amount of ISO present. The phytotoxicity could also have come from too high ppm of IBA and/or NAA. I have not sprayed plants with root tonic besides two times. I plan to test again in the future when I have NAA and IBA separately so I can use very low ppm and use 100% ethanol to make a stock solution. I think spraying branches that are cuttings-to-be from mother plants might speed rooting of the cuttings.

I used the same mix of IBA and NAA (as the spray above) to test root growth as a 60 second basal end dip before placing cuttings in my aerated aero-cloner. The clones that got the 60 second basal dip got larger roots a bit faster than cuttings not dipped in the mix. I ran several tests and each time the result was the same. However, using root-tonic or not, I get roots in ~3-4 days and they are ready to be transplanted in ~8 days; thus I no longer use a rooting hormones for cloning.

Just my 2 cents...all told, I no longer use ST but I do think it helps with roots from the NAA.


A couple of refs for now:

"Exogenous application of vitamins as regulators for growth and development of plants - a review"
J. J. Oertl
V. Pflanzenernahr. Bodenk. 150. pp. 375-391 (1987)
(link to full text, I compressed the PDF and encrypted with the passphrase "plantvitscience", without quotes. Turn off Java-Script to prevent ads, it's German file host) http://www.file-upload.net/download...itamins-as-regulators-for-growth-and.zip.html
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"The Myth of Vitamin Stimulants: Vitamin B-1 reduces transplant shock by stimulating new root growth"
Linda Chalker-Scott, Ph.D., Extension Horticulturist and Associate Professor,
Puyallup Research and Extension Center, Washington State University
(link to full PDF) http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~linda%20chalker-scott/horticultural%20myths_files/Myths/Vitamin%20B1.pdf​