Hawaii May Expand Medical Program

[Greyskull]

Hawaii May Expand Medical Program

We do need to keep from importing shitty CALI bud that floods the market!

Please, stop bringing the bunk to the islands. I have no prob with the funk, but thats not the stuff flooding the islands.... Grown here not flown here!!

Dispenaries could be a nice source of additional income for Hawaii's growers. Seriously. Screw getting my daily bong hits from a dispenary - no thanks... but i think itd be nice to be able to procure a license to legally wholesale bulk flower product to a licensed retailer for further distribution....

 

[oldhaole]

Can you say Bullshit?

Can you say Bullshit?

Wow...for a hundred bucks we will honor your out of state card...how many other states charge a hundred to honor your already approved card? Who cares if your condition does not qualify under Hawaii Law....for a hundred we will waive the law.

Money baby! The state is broke. They want to get their hand in your pocket.

Sure...set 'em up. See how fast the boys are parked outside poaching their customers. Short of making those what? Eleven neighbor island dispensaries the only game in town, that's a recipe to lose money.

You'd still have the supply from all the small growers, with little to no overhead, selling to both black and legal markets, and they will be competing with a dispensary with huge overhead, and very little legal demand...and no black market sales.

The next step will be to make MMJ grows illegal. Gotta control the supply...step on that, dispensaries have a chance.

But the've been Green Harvesting a long time now and it ain't been working...we CAN plant 'em faster than they can pull them.

It would probably work on Oahu. The've always had supply problems. Other islands...ppffftt...nope.

They should follow the BI model. Let everybody grow, and catch the tax when the money is spent. The state wants their cut upfront....off of gross, instead of off of net, like everybody else.

And if you think I am just sour grapes, if everybody grew and it was legal....I'd be out of a job, and I'd be happy. I hope to see that in my lifetime.

 

[Greyskull]

yo oldhaole
thanks for the perspective

i agree the boys will be frothing at the mouth when they see those clean shiny no tint no sticker rental cars. easy money i could use that hahaha

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Woe some bitter Hawaiian cats on this thread!!!!

 

[rick shaw]

Woe some bitter Hawaiian cats on this thread!!!!

Was just thinking the same thing,its like a flash back to the prop 19 thread.
Come on bras,no hu hu

 

[Greyskull]

Hawaii May Expand Medical Program

Very 19 like

But not...

Things are different on these rocks though alls we have is alls we have.

 

[oldhaole]

Bitter? Who? Us? NOOO!

Bitter? Who? Us? NOOO!

And we all know how well Prop 19 worked for CA.

Or how CO has gone from many small growers to pushing them out in favor of a much more regulated industry. Run by the boys with big money.

Now after 8 years of inactivity on the MMJ front, the state smells money. We have no dispensaries. People suffered, unable to get their meds. The state didn't care.

Now there interested. And the next logical step is to push us out.

So yes....a certan amount of bitterness is there. They let medical users suffer for eight years, yet they are whoring our progam out for $100 for out of state users....that's insulting. Either accept or don't.

And please don't get me going about how poorly the law itself is written.

Any way you look at it change is inevitable. What they are proposing will not work on the neighbor islands.

And when you grow the best pot in the US you have a certan reputation to uphold. People flying Cali weed over here and selling it as Hawaiian hurts our rep. It's also insulting.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

How did 19 do for CA? Last I checked it didn't pass and CO turned black market growers to respected businessmen. The world runs on money and is the only way mj will ever become normalized in our society, and honestly who will bother importing if growers can become licensed producers. Sone of the finst pakalolo I've had the pleasure of burning was produced above sharks cove cultivated in red dirt under the hawaiian sun.....

 

[rick shaw]

Importation of mmj to Hawaii would be interstate commerce,federally illegal. Oldhaole sounds like someone who has a 'scrip to shield their grow and is afraid their buyers will have choices. Slap a Jefferson State tattoo on him and were back to the "I got mine,I was here first" argument.

 

[pakasymbiot]

Importation of mmj to Hawaii would be interstate commerce,federally illegal. Oldhaole sounds like someone who has a 'scrip to shield their grow and is afraid their buyers will have choices. Slap a Jefferson State tattoo on him and were back to the "I got mine,I was here first" argument.

Kinda think its a psychological thing...Cali herb just can't compare and nobody in their right mind would buy it over outdoor, but if it's around people will eventually lower their standards. We have already experienced this through the 80's when Sativas were everywhere, and now it's all polluted by downer indicas...and people think they're the "crons" cus they've never had a pure sativa grown under the hawaiian sun.

I hope it's grown outdoors under the sun, cus that would be obsurd to do indoor grows unless in the city.

Ganja is and has been normalized in Hawaiian society for ages people...all this is like begging for what's been taken. But it is what it is, so oh well and it's all going in the same direction. Best growing peeps I apologize for the charged words

 

[festivus]

@ Pakasymbiot- Big Islanders have the benefit of a personal cultivation law, so yeah, weed is everywhere. That's probably the reason why there are so many mmj license holders there. Scoring on the BI has always been easy. But not so with Oahu, and to some extent, Maui. You can't compare the weed scene there with the other islands.

Oahu has close to a million population with no source of medicine but the black market. Don't you think the Oahu license numbers would skyrocket with the convenience and safety of dispensaries? Lots of older folks don't try to get their card, because they're afraid of buying off the street, and the negative connotations that carries.

 

[rick shaw]

Festivus do you think they should license only locals to grow for the dispensaries,unemployment on the Big Island is 9.3%. They could follow the Kamehameha School standards and keep out the carpet baggers.

 

[Tuhder]

Its about time something was done.

Uping plant count would be nice, but fuck the dispencerys ......May they all be burned down and may tweekers robb them each and everyday!!!

We dont need asshats from cali or where ever coming and stealing the weed game from locals who have held it down for the past 20 years when it was not cool to grow dope,,,,,Soccer moms should stick to watching there fat kids play soccer, then trying to grow and flood the market with shitty weed !!!

Wow dude, Really? Your ignorance shines bright.

Im going to have to stay out of the rest of the conversation I just get to pumped up and will wind up going into a fit of rage...Hahaha.

 

[Greyskull]

Hawaii May Expand Medical Program

do you think they should license only locals to grow for the dispensaries

Im not festivus, but YES

But whats a "local" in that sense ?
Does that mean simply registered to vote, or based on residency? is there/should there be a length of residency required to be eligible for a retail/cultivation/conversion license as well?

Curious...

 

[oldhaole]

Feel Free to attack The Mesasge

Feel Free to attack The Mesasge

Importation of mmj to Hawaii would be interstate commerce,federally illegal. Oldhaole sounds like someone who has a 'scrip to shield their grow and is afraid their buyers will have choices. Slap a Jefferson State tattoo on him and were back to the "I got mine,I was here first" argument.

But leave the messanger alone. I simply explained why I do not think it will work.

If you think it will....explain yourself and defend your statement.

Please don't make it a personal thing. You don't know the first thing about me.

Then you accuse me of an I got mine, I was here first trip.

Then a couple of post later you call for "Kamehameha Standards" (ie Hawaiian only) to

and I quote "keep the carpetbaggers out".

That sounds like an I got mine arguement... The very one that was hung around my neck....by you.

Have a great day!

 

[rick shaw]

To me a "local" is someone born on the islands. The Kamehameha schools require a minimum of 50% Hawaiian ancestry.

 

[Greyskull]

Hawaii May Expand Medical Program

To me a "local" is someone born on the islands. The Kamehameha schools require a minimum of 50% Hawaiian ancestry.

Ahhhh yes
Of course

Werent those being petitioned in the school system? Not that i think the petition is the right thing to do... But i seem to recall that happening not recalling the outcome though

 

[festivus]

Festivus do you think they should license only locals to grow for the dispensaries,unemployment on the Big Island is 9.3%. They could follow the Kamehameha School standards and keep out the carpet baggers.

Rick, I do think growers should be "locals only", but in reality that won't happen. I haven't seen the language of the bills being considered, but it sounds like the regs will be tight, and dispensaries may be required to document the cultivator's license info with every buy. Buying from non-licensed growers may put the dispensaries license at risk.

I'm curious about the $20K dispensary fee... does that enable the dispensary to grow and sell their own product/genetics?

Our last go round with a dispensary in Maui ended up a disaster- low quality meds and super spider mite-infested clones. I never had spider mites in my garden until I brought in dispensary clones. So I'm all for regulation to protect the patients.

Yes, I fucking hate the idea of the govnt. making $$ when they've ignored us for the last 8 years. But patients need this program to actually work, so any progress is welcome.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Where ya guys find info on da mmj dispensary/grow licenses??

 

[vta]

Hawai’i Senate passes five positive marijuana bills with near unanimity

By "Radical" Russ Belville

Five for five is a great stat in any sport. In proposing positive reforms to marijuana law, it is damn near a miracle. But today, Hawaii’s Senate did it, with two unanimous votes and three votes with a total of just two senators in opposition. As CannaBob would write, The Legalization Train Rolls On!

Hawai’i News Daily: SB 1460 – decriminalization of one ounce of marijuana: 24-0-1 (Shimabukuro was excused). It now moves over to the house.

No arrest and a $100 fine for one ounce or less. Even for healthy people!

SB 58 – increases plants, dried ounces, patient-caregiver ratio, clarifies transportation language. The bill was waived by the Senate Judiciary Chair, Clayton Hee, which allowed it to move on for a floor vote, and it passed third reading 24-0-1 (Shimabukuro was excused). It now moves to the house.

Adds a “transfer for no consideration” clause similar to Oregon that allows any cardholder to freely exchange medicine and plants with any other cardholder.

Adds protection for cardholders transporting medicine from island to island.

Allows caregivers to be reimbursed for expenses incurred in providing medicine to a patient, again, similar to Oregon.

Increases plant limits from 3 mature + 4 immature to 10 total cannabis plants (any stage) and possession limits from 1 ounce to 5 ounces.

Specifies that a doctor signing for medical cannabis need not be the patient’s primary care physician.

Specifies that a doctor need only attest to the fact that a patient has a qualifying condition and shall not actually name or describe the condition in the registration. (Wow! No more of these “Look, only 2% get cards for cancer and AIDS!” scares. All they will know is how many patients there are.)

Increases caregiveratient ratio from 1:1 to 1:3 (caregivers could serve three patients).

Changes the word “marijuana” to “cannabis” everywhere in the medical marijuana law. I mean, medical cannabis law.

SB 175 – moves medical marijuana program from Public Safety to Health: 24-1 (Kouchi voted “no”)

Hawai’i is the only state where medical marijuana is run by law enforcement. This would move the program to the Health Department. Imagine: medical marijuana in a health department!

SB 1458 – licenses medical marijuana compassion centers, producers and infused products makers. Passed third reading, 24-1 (Slom voted “no”). Moves to house.

Creates three classes of licenses. Class 1 would be dispensaries that sell cannabis to patients. Class 2 would be producers that grow cannabis for Class 1 and Class 3 licensees. Class 3 would be “infused products manufacturers” similar to what Colorado has, who could sell to Class 1 licensees.

There would be a Class 1 dispensary on every island.

Non-Hawai’i patients could shop at Class 1 dispensaries after acquiring a temporary registration certificate. (Hello, medical marijuana vacation packages!)

Those with felony drug conviction in past ten years couldn’t be licensed. (Boo! Who do you think are the people who are the best marijuana growers? Why prevent them from growing legally now just because they grew marijuana illegally and got caught and paid their debt to society?)

At most, there would be 22 dispensaries in Hawai’i (Hawaii 6, Kauai 2, Maui 3, Molokai 1, Oahu 10).

Medical marijuana will be subject to sales tax.

Various inspection, testing, and security requirements.

SB 113 – creates a 3-year Cannabis research program. Passed third reading with 23 ayes, 23-2 (Slom and Kouchi voted “no”). Moves to house.

Weird, is it not, that the bill with the greatest opposition was a mere three-year study program?