What do you think about General Organics ? I'm thinking of making a switch from my Fox Farm line. I'm already using their CalMag+ and have had a good experience.
General Organics
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funkervogt
I was given the complete set of this product line from a local grow store as a 'thank you' or whatever.
While I eventually donated it to someone else that wanted to try their hand using this in a hydroponic grow situation, I did take the time to look at the labels and check out the ingredients.
So what that means is that I'm somewhat familiar with the contents but I have no personal experience using them. I thought that the ingredients were excellent and at least on par with the Earth Juice product line.
I think/feel that they'll serve you very well. I hope so anyway.
HTH
CC
I was given the complete set of this product line from a local grow store as a 'thank you' or whatever.
While I eventually donated it to someone else that wanted to try their hand using this in a hydroponic grow situation, I did take the time to look at the labels and check out the ingredients.
So what that means is that I'm somewhat familiar with the contents but I have no personal experience using them. I thought that the ingredients were excellent and at least on par with the Earth Juice product line.
I think/feel that they'll serve you very well. I hope so anyway.
HTH
CC
General organics normal feed schedule is weak. The nutes are weak for that....... it takes a lot of it to mix up 15 gallons. they say you don't have to PH it in soiless but i had some lockout so started PHing it and all was fine.
i just think it's a lot of money compared to how much you get out of it. If i didn't switch to an organic soil mix with no bottled nutes, i would have needed to go buy another quart of root,thrive,cal mag and...... PH up by the truckload in my case.
They sent me this line for free..... well $25 handling. You can send em an email or give Andy at GH a call and they might do the same, dunno how much you need.
i just noticed it hitting the shelves at all the local stores.
it's a good product, just not for bigger gardens can't let it sit for very long with having to aerate it or use it on the lawn.
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i just think it's a lot of money compared to how much you get out of it. If i didn't switch to an organic soil mix with no bottled nutes, i would have needed to go buy another quart of root,thrive,cal mag and...... PH up by the truckload in my case.
They sent me this line for free..... well $25 handling. You can send em an email or give Andy at GH a call and they might do the same, dunno how much you need.
i just noticed it hitting the shelves at all the local stores.
it's a good product, just not for bigger gardens can't let it sit for very long with having to aerate it or use it on the lawn.
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Nice picture.
Zendo
Member
I got some of this from trading some soil I wasn't going to use.
I am building a 'water only' vegetarian mix, but since I don't have all ingredients yet, I was very grateful to get some of this.
I cannot say how this stuff is 'out of the bottle', but adding to my compost teas has been very successful. Using the Grow 4-3-3 on my veg plants has them very happy, and helped me bring back a few plants I received from near death, and the Bloom 2-4-4 has been working great for my plants in late bloom.
I wouldn't go all out and buy their full line, as you can buy humic acid, soluble seaweed, and such for their other products, but adding these to teas is working great.
I agree with CC above that with the ingredients, you are looking at a similar product to Earth Juice. The only difference being that EJ uses blood and bone from factory farming, and this is Vegan. This may not be important to you, but it is to some...(me)
Ingredients for Grow 4-3-3 and Bloom 2-4-4 are the same, but in higher/lower amounts..
Ingredients: Alfalfa meal, cane sugar, copper sulphate, glacial rock powder, iron sulphate, kieserite, manganese sulphate, molasses, plant extracts, potassium sulphate, rock phosphate, sodium borate, sodium molybdenate, soybean meal and zinc phosphate.
Contains Non-Plant Food Ingredients:
2% seaweed derived from Ascophyllum nodosum and Laminaria digitata and 0.2% humic acids derived from leonardite.
All that said, I would very much recommend switching from Fox Farms to this, or earth juice if you are not looking to make your own mixes.Not a fan of FF though, so kind of biased.
I am building a 'water only' vegetarian mix, but since I don't have all ingredients yet, I was very grateful to get some of this.
I cannot say how this stuff is 'out of the bottle', but adding to my compost teas has been very successful. Using the Grow 4-3-3 on my veg plants has them very happy, and helped me bring back a few plants I received from near death, and the Bloom 2-4-4 has been working great for my plants in late bloom.
I wouldn't go all out and buy their full line, as you can buy humic acid, soluble seaweed, and such for their other products, but adding these to teas is working great.
I agree with CC above that with the ingredients, you are looking at a similar product to Earth Juice. The only difference being that EJ uses blood and bone from factory farming, and this is Vegan. This may not be important to you, but it is to some...(me)
Ingredients for Grow 4-3-3 and Bloom 2-4-4 are the same, but in higher/lower amounts..
Ingredients: Alfalfa meal, cane sugar, copper sulphate, glacial rock powder, iron sulphate, kieserite, manganese sulphate, molasses, plant extracts, potassium sulphate, rock phosphate, sodium borate, sodium molybdenate, soybean meal and zinc phosphate.
Contains Non-Plant Food Ingredients:
2% seaweed derived from Ascophyllum nodosum and Laminaria digitata and 0.2% humic acids derived from leonardite.
All that said, I would very much recommend switching from Fox Farms to this, or earth juice if you are not looking to make your own mixes.Not a fan of FF though, so kind of biased.
I have to disagree on this.
They are way plenty potent and go a long way.
(edit: but you are right for large volumes it could get pricey)
About $15. litre bottle.
I pretty much feed at each watering but sometimes
plain water if I don't feel like mixing.
I think I can feed less & be fine.
I get fine growth & flowering and just pulled 84 grams
all meds.......
(dry, no stick, no shake, no seeds, etc)
off a multi-pruned Yummy-D from annac
in only a 7 litre pot (promix & just right xtra potting mix 1/3)
under 1k hortylux (10 plants under 45" parabolic)
65 days flowering
Biothrive grow 4-3-3 (10ml/gal)
Biothrive bloom 2-4-4 (10ml/gal)
Biobud .5-.1-1 (2.5ml/gal)
Cal/Mag 5% cal & 1% mag (5ml/gal)
from Calcium Carbonate & Magnesium Carbonate & Molasses
The Bioroot is 1-1-1 (5-10ml/gal)
I supplemented with some biomarine, bioweed & diamond black
all General Organics
Patients all liked the quality & flavor & due to
med limits, I never get to age/cure so that's impressive
results for basically fresh meds.
I'm on my 3rd run & they work fine.
Organic & Vegan (if that's important to you)
for all the grow you need.
I don't think there's a better line out there anywhere.
I might try dropping the biomarine to keep it VEGAN
and see how they go.
I'm surprised when I searched that there's so little
posted on this fine fertilizer line.
They are way plenty potent and go a long way.
(edit: but you are right for large volumes it could get pricey)
About $15. litre bottle.
I pretty much feed at each watering but sometimes
plain water if I don't feel like mixing.
I think I can feed less & be fine.
I get fine growth & flowering and just pulled 84 grams
all meds.......
(dry, no stick, no shake, no seeds, etc)
off a multi-pruned Yummy-D from annac
in only a 7 litre pot (promix & just right xtra potting mix 1/3)
under 1k hortylux (10 plants under 45" parabolic)
65 days flowering
Biothrive grow 4-3-3 (10ml/gal)
Biothrive bloom 2-4-4 (10ml/gal)
Biobud .5-.1-1 (2.5ml/gal)
Cal/Mag 5% cal & 1% mag (5ml/gal)
from Calcium Carbonate & Magnesium Carbonate & Molasses
The Bioroot is 1-1-1 (5-10ml/gal)
I supplemented with some biomarine, bioweed & diamond black
all General Organics
Patients all liked the quality & flavor & due to
med limits, I never get to age/cure so that's impressive
results for basically fresh meds.
I'm on my 3rd run & they work fine.
Organic & Vegan (if that's important to you)
for all the grow you need.
I don't think there's a better line out there anywhere.
I might try dropping the biomarine to keep it VEGAN
and see how they go.
I'm surprised when I searched that there's so little
posted on this fine fertilizer line.
there calmag+ is completely wrong ratios.. I think its 10% cal, 1% Mg. am I wrong here? anyone have the bottles
other then there calmag+ , Ive used it on pepper plants, and they seemed to do fine..
no experience on cannabis plants..
if I had to choose, I would stick with bio-canna, as I like it, and the general organics smells as the bio-canna does not
other then there calmag+ , Ive used it on pepper plants, and they seemed to do fine..
no experience on cannabis plants..
if I had to choose, I would stick with bio-canna, as I like it, and the general organics smells as the bio-canna does not
I took the cal/mag figures right from the bottle.
5% calcium
1% magnesium
I have not used the Biocanna yet but
they a trusted company for sure.......
and they are vegan also.
EDIT: The Biocanna uses twice the amount (20ml/gal for grow)
and three to four times the amount (30-40 ml/gal for bloom)
as the General Organics.
5% calcium
1% magnesium
I have not used the Biocanna yet but
they a trusted company for sure.......
and they are vegan also.
EDIT: The Biocanna uses twice the amount (20ml/gal for grow)
and three to four times the amount (30-40 ml/gal for bloom)
as the General Organics.
B
Butte_Creek
i use they're camg+, like it very much, also has some molasses in it which is nice. i used to use botanicare's camg+ until i found out about the EDTA used to chelate the iron, it's very bad for microbes, heavy salt too.
after reading the ingredients for the GO biothrive on this thread i think i might give their grow and bloom a run, sounds nice. organic bottled nutes usually have the problem of being kinda "watered down" , botanicare, ej for example, except ej is cheap! and botanicare i know isn't fully organic.
habeeb-depending wether you grow in soil or a soil less medium you desire a different ca:mg ratio. for example soil grown plants thrive more with a higher ca:mg ratio, such as 5:1 - 7:1, i believe that is why GO camg+ used a 5:1 ratio, keeping in mind probably they're consumers would be growing organically in soil. in hydro a lower ca:mg ratio is desirable.
"What is the correct Calcium to Magnesium ration?
As stated above, there is no definitive ratio, but our experience has shown that as long as the calcium and magnesium ppms are sufficient a Ca:Mg ration of 4:1 to 7:1 should offer a soil with better structure, better aeration, and better productivity."
after reading the ingredients for the GO biothrive on this thread i think i might give their grow and bloom a run, sounds nice. organic bottled nutes usually have the problem of being kinda "watered down" , botanicare, ej for example, except ej is cheap! and botanicare i know isn't fully organic.
habeeb-depending wether you grow in soil or a soil less medium you desire a different ca:mg ratio. for example soil grown plants thrive more with a higher ca:mg ratio, such as 5:1 - 7:1, i believe that is why GO camg+ used a 5:1 ratio, keeping in mind probably they're consumers would be growing organically in soil. in hydro a lower ca:mg ratio is desirable.
"What is the correct Calcium to Magnesium ration?
As stated above, there is no definitive ratio, but our experience has shown that as long as the calcium and magnesium ppms are sufficient a Ca:Mg ration of 4:1 to 7:1 should offer a soil with better structure, better aeration, and better productivity."
organiclover
Member
I have been using the bio-thrive bloom with cal mag and really like the results
http://www.icmag.com/ic/attachment.php?attachmentid=104308&stc=1&d=1298618983
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Interesting ingredient profile. Both the Calcium and Magnesium in this form is insoluble. I suspect that the addition of molasses is to create some kind of aqueous suspension deal.
Hmmmmm.................
Limestone - 96% Calcium Carbonate @ $7.50 for 50 lbs.
Magnesium Oxide (which is water soluble) from Langbeinite @ $.40 per lb. This will also give you high levels of Potassium and elemental Sulphur in addition to the Mg component.
Molasses - well molasses is molasses I guess.
CC
Thanks for the tip s CC.
What would be your suggested use rate for both if you please?
Thank you
What would be your suggested use rate for both if you please?
Thank you
sweet, vibrant colors. I may have to tweek
my feed schedule.....
What's your feed regimen?
Thanks.
my feed schedule.....
What's your feed regimen?
Thanks.
for heavy feeders i use 12-16ml per gal of the bio thrive grow and bloom.
everything else in the line i use suggested amounts
feed,water,feed
everything else in the line i use suggested amounts
feed,water,feed
organiclover
Member
i've been running 17.5 bloom + 7.5 cal mag
like TC said - these are heavy feeders
no ph-ing comes out around 6.0
these plants love mag so sometime I add a little huvega (botanicare mag supplement)
but thats it - started midway through this run and within a week things started to look great
i'm sold - as far as liquid nutes go
like TC said - these are heavy feeders
no ph-ing comes out around 6.0
these plants love mag so sometime I add a little huvega (botanicare mag supplement)
but thats it - started midway through this run and within a week things started to look great
i'm sold - as far as liquid nutes go
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Iron_Lion
Doesnt that cancel out using organic nutrients?
Chem&M
Member
Not really. I mean, it's not 100% Organic, but it doesn't really bother me. That's like saying if you only used the GO line, but used GH PH up/down, it wouldn't be organic. Not true, it's just not 100% organic. The plants are still getting the benefits of organic nutes. GH themselves recommend Bloombastic as a non-line flower enhancer and last I checked it wasn't fully organic.
As someone who has spent large portions of life as veggie/vegan, the source is what's important to me (if I can afford it/have access), so they aren't using bone meal and stuff like that, which I like. The main reason I like using it is because the plants seem to really like it. I get good results, and I like it better than straight chem nutes. I guess it's just preference.
